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In case anyone still has this problem. I use macbook pro 15 mid 2017. In the intel energie options just turn of all energy saving stuff. Important because i had the same problem. I had to do it for battery and non battery options to make it work. Don't know why.

MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2017) - 2,9 GHz Intel Core i7 - 16 GB Ram - Mantiz Venus - Gforce 2080 ti - DELL ALIENWARE AW3418DW - Windows 10


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Gabrish
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Stuck on step 2, If you see two Microsoft Basic Display Adapter devices under Display adapters in Device Manager, proceed to install Intel graphics drivers. I only see one Microsoft Basic Display Adapter, what should I do?

MacBook Pro (13-inch, 2017, Two Thunderbolt 3 ports), 2.3 GHz Intel Core i5, Intel Iris Plus Graphics 640 1536 MB. GIGABYTE Radeon RX 580 Gaming Box eGPU


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Hello. So I am stuck at Step 3-4.
I have a Late 2016 Macbook Pro w/ Radeon 450.

I successfully follow through the steps, double checking each thing. And I am trying this on a fresh windows install.

My issue is when I run the integrated.bat and it shows successful. Then I go to the Windows Menu and click shut down. Once it's fully shut down, I connect my eGPU (Razer Core X w/ RTX 2080Ti). It instantly starts up (the GPU), and show's the GEFORCE RTX lights (maybe the comp doesn't shut down properly?). Then I try turning on my comp and there is nothing on the display. I have to disconnect the GPU, restart the comp and then go back to Windows.

I have done this process about 3 times, with each time restoring to iGPU Safe, so I can redo everything step by step. But same issue. Please help!

Late 2016 15" Macbook Pro w/ RP450 + RTX 2080Ti FE @32Gbps-TB3 (Razer Core X) + Win10/MacOS

 
2016 15" MacBook Pro (RP450) [6th,4C,H] + RTX 2080 Ti @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Razer Core X) + Win10 [build link]  


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@yousaf_amir I no longer have the 2016 15" MBP but I remember the RTX graphics card caused a boot hang. It's an incompatibility issue between the RTX eGPU and this MBP. I'd recommend hot-plug the RTX eGPU once Windows 10 is fully loaded.

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2020 13" MacBook Pro [10th,4C,G] + RX 5700 @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Prototype eGPU Enclosure) + macOS 10.15.4 & Win10 1903 [build link]  


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So I tried that but Windows crashes. There are sometimes system thread errors, or IQRL failed and such.

I think I will be erasing the bootcamp, and will retry again. With disabling the x16 Lane right away after I attach the iGPU to internal display. Maybe then I'll try hot plugging.

In a previous attempt, plugging the GPU when Windows was loading seemed to work. Both x8 and x16 disabled. Then once booted, I enabled x8 for connecting SSD that I used for storing games.

But when I tried running the game, I always had an error which started with Video_TDR... Nxxxxxxx.sys. Upon research i found that it was something to do with with the Intel drivers. I did try both Intel and Nvidia drivers reinstall clean. But that didn't work either.

Perhaps maybe it's cause of macOS Mojave or simply the older Macbook doesn't have that "Large Memory" case?

Late 2016 15" Macbook Pro w/ RP450 + RTX 2080Ti FE @32Gbps-TB3 (Razer Core X) + Win10/MacOS

 
2016 15" MacBook Pro (RP450) [6th,4C,H] + RTX 2080 Ti @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Razer Core X) + Win10 [build link]  


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OliverB
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@itsage, I would suggest to start this guide with the naming of the MacBook models where this guide fits (I think 15-inch 2016 mainly). There are quite are number of users with completely different models following this guide this leads to confusion.

2018 15" MBP & 2015 13" MBP connected to RTX2080Ti GTX1080Ti GTX1080 Vega56 RX580 R9-290 GTX680

 
2018 15" MacBook Pro (RP560X) [8th,6C,H] + RX 5700 XT @ 32Gbps-TB3 (ASUS XG Station Pro) + Win10 & macOS 10.15.4 [build link]  


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I get boot up issues when I activate the integrated graphics. It hangs at a windows logo with no loading sign and occasionally smc crashes (this can be observed by a spike in fan speed and then the reconnection of all USB devices) and then the entire thing shuts off. I've reinstalled bootcamp and tried multiple times but I can't seem to be able to restart after installing the intel drivers. I only plan on using the egpu for external display acceleration. Can I just stop after uninstalling radeon pro drivers? I realized that most of these steps are only needed for internal display acceleration.

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My 2018 15 inch MBP runs well with the egpu. in fact I get around 2% higher performance with it than with my tower using the same card and a similar performing processor. However after around 2 hours, the thunderbolt controller area gets SUPER hot and my MBP crashes because the eGPU gets disconnected. I would guess that it would work again after crashing but the eGPU then fails to create an environment for OpenGL and DirectX 11. It also proceeds to disconnect and crash after 5-15 minutes. Then I would try it in the ports on the other side and it would work for another 2 hours and then crash. This wouldn't be a problem if I could get it to work after a restart but it stays like that. I know the thunderbolt controllers are functional because the eGPU runs fine in OSX for up to 15 hours but not in windows. I haven't tried reinstalling bootcamp yet but I really don't want to. Is anyone else experiencing a similar issue?

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well I'd just keep hard resetting until the advanced start settings pops up and then use it to go back to the restore point you made and try doing everything again

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Now that macOS High Sierra 10.13 officially supports external graphics cards, we've developed a reliable procedure to set up and maintain a functional external GPU in Windows 10 via Boot Camp. In the past month, we’ve tried many different solutions by reading through eGPU implementation guides. What we've found to work most reliably with a Late 2016 15″ MacBook Pro is a combination of apple_set_os.efi, rEFInd, integrated.bat, and the right-side Thunderbolt 3 ports. The 13" MacBook Pro is less involved to implement due to its lack of a discrete graphics card. Our goals were to have an integrated GPU active for eGPU internal display mode and a reliable Windows bootup without error 12.

Why so serious?

Let's discuss graphics switching in Windows briefly. Forum member Sky11 explained the three modes in Windows 10 (Microsoft Hybrid graphics, AMD XConnect, and Nvidia Optimus) in this post. The crucial prerequisite is the Intel integrated graphics card for internal display acceleration with an external graphics card. Without a functional iGPU, eGPU would only work with an external display. This explains the ease of eGPU implementation on iGPU-only hosts while dGPU + iGPU hosts such as the Thunderbolt 3 15" MacBook Pro is harder to accomplish. The worst-case scenario is when there's no iGPU present either due to the host firmware or its CPU configuration.

Prior to setting up an external GPU, it's a good idea to identify the routing of the PCIe connection over Thunderbolt 3 for each host. We used HWiNFO64 to check the arrangement of PCIe controllers and lanes on this Late 2016 15″ MacBook Pro (same as Mid 2017 model). The x16 PCI Express Controller connects to the Radeon Pro dGPU. The x8 PCI Express Controller connects to the left-side USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 ports. The x4 PCI Express Controller connects to the right-side USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 ports. It makes total sense to disable the entire line of communication to the dGPU so that we can free up resources for the USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 ports.

The 13" MacBook Pros have no direct Thunderbolt 3 to CPU connection. All PCIe lanes are routed through the platform controller hub (PCH). Apple's Thunderbolt 3 support article states that the right-side Thunderbolt 3 ports on the Late 2016 13" Touch Bar MacBook Pro have lower bandwidth than the left-side ports. This is due to the x2 PCI Express Root Port #9 - 9D18 to which these ports attach. The left Thunderbolt 3 ports attach to x4 PCI Express Root Port #5 - 9D14. We captured the PCIe arrangement of the Thunderbolt 3 15" MacBook Pro (shown on the left) and Thunderbolt 3 Touch Bar 13" MacBook Pro (shown on the right) in HWiNFO64 and labeled them for reference.

Overview of PCIe Lane Arrangement in Thunderbolt 3 MacBook Pro

The name of the game is to allocate enough resources for the external graphics card to function in Windows 10 while not severely crippling other functionalities of the laptop. Through trial and error, we found the right-side Thunderbolt 3 ports under PCI Express x4 Controller - 1909 is the best way to connect an eGPU to the 15" Thunderbolt 3 MacBook Pro. This is especially relevant when using an AMD Radeon eGPU in which both PCI Express Controller 1901 and 1905 need to be disabled to resolve error 12.

The 13" non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro would likely be able to negotiate enough resources for eGPU automagically. If error 12 arises, simply disabling the connection to the iSight camera would resolve it. The 13" Touch Bar iteration is slightly harder for eGPU implementation due to an extra Thunderbolt 3 controller and two more Thunderbolt 3 ports. It's best to use the lower left Thunderbolt 3 port [closest to the TAB key] for eGPU connection on this model and to disable the PCI Express Root Port #9 – 9D18 that connects to the right Thunderbolt 3 ports to resolve error 12.

Here are the recommended steps to set up an external GPU with Thunderbolt 3 MacBook Pros and the reasons behind them. If you're familiar with using an external graphics card in Windows 10 via Boot Camp, proceed to the summarized setup procedure. 

Step 1: Install Windows, DDU & Restore Point

There are setup guides to install Windows on an external hard drive so that the internal PCIe flash storage can be preserved solely for macOS partition. We don't recommend having the Windows volume on an external drive because it would complicate the eGPU setup process and may cause unforeseeable maintenance issues. If your MacBook Pro has a limited amount of storage, partition the Boot Camp volume with 50GB for Windows installation and save 200GB for the macOS partition. You can then install software and games on an external hard drive.

Windows 10 can detect new graphics cards and install the drivers automatically. However the drivers are not up-to-date and sometimes interfere with setting up an external GPU. We recommend using DDU to uninstall the Radeon Pro drivers that came with Apple Boot Camp drivers 6.1 (part of Boot Camp Assistant in macOS). DDU can also disable Windows automated graphics drivers installation.

Keep in mind Apple itself has not provided support for external GPU in Boot Camp. Therefore the following steps to set up an external graphics card with your MacBook Pro can possibly cause bootup issues. We highly suggest the use of the Windows System Protection feature. You can create manual Restore Points that capture snapshots of Windows in order to revert changes should you encounter issues.

Step 2: Use apple_set_os.efi

When booting into an operating system that is not Mac OS, the Mac laptop's firmware tends to deactivate the integrated GPU if there's another GPU present. For example, the 15" MacBook Pro boots into Boot Camp with only the Radeon Pro discrete GPU activated. By only having an integrated GPU, the 13" MacBook Pro sometimes hangs at the Windows bootup process if an external GPU is connected. To remedy this first hurdle we rely on apple_set_os.efi to trick the Mac laptop into believing it's booting into Mac OS. This boot loader file can be stored on either a USB drive or in the ESP partition of the Mac's internal drive through the use of rEFInd boot manager.

Goalque’s guide on apple_set_os.efi is the resource for accomplishing this task. He provided instructions on creating a USB thumb drive with apple_set_os.efirEFInd is an alternative for the need to use an external USB drive and Option boot. Once the iGPU is active in Windows, we want to make sure it has the latest Intel graphics drivers. If the iGPU shows up in Device Manager as "Microsoft Basic Display Adapter," you may need to install the Intel graphics drivers manually. In the 15" Thunderbolt 3 MacBook Pro, we want to attach the iGPU to the internal display so that we can use eGPU internal display acceleration and disable the dGPU if needed. This is where 0xbb’s integrated.bat comes in.

Step 3: Run integrated.bat

This step is relevant to the Thunderbolt 3 15" MBP only. Skip to step 4 if you have a Thunderbolt 3 13" MBP. The purpose of 0xbb's GPU-switch script is to assign a particular GPU to the internal display at the next boot. We want to run integrated.bat in Command with Administrative privilege to execute iGPU attachment to the internal display. Upon the next and subsequent restarts, Windows will use the iGPU to power the Mac internal display. Microsoft Visual C++ 2013 may be required to run this script successfully.

Warning: One important thing to keep in mind is that you have to re-enable PCIe Controller x16 – 1901 in Device Manager (if it's disabled) then re-attach the dGPU to the internal display by running dedicated.bat prior to booting back into macOS. Otherwise the next Windows boot will hang due to macOS force-attaching the dGPU onto the internal display. This is another reason why we recommend creating manual restore points in Windows. In the event Windows fails to boot, you can go back to a safe point without redoing the entire setup process.

Step 4: Solve error 12

The last and most challenging step is to overcome error 12 (not enough resources for eGPU). This almost always happens on a Mac with both iGPU and dGPU. There are several methods to resolve error 12. This is also called "yellow-banged," as visually identifiable in Device Manager by the yellow triangle and black exclamation.

For late-2016 Macbook Pros, Nando's DSDT Override via registry works well, but the required Windows Test Mode prevents some some games and software working. The workaround Clover DSDT override method has some risks but can provide a simple final solution. Adventurous users may consider this. For mid-2017 15" Macbook Pros consider using a PCIe relocation script from here to solve error 12.

A reasonable workaround is to disable PCIe controllers/bridges to free up enough resources so that Windows can handle hosting an external GPU. The PCIe arrangement is different for each Mac but the approach is similar. We start with the PCIe component with the least usage.

In the 13" non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro, disabling the iSight camera PCIe bridge does the trick. The 13" Touch Bar is slightly different in that it has one more Thunderbolt 3 controller to handle the two additional Thunderbolt 3 ports on the right side. Some have success by disabling the PCI Express Root Port #9 – 9D18 that connects to the right Thunderbolt 3 ports and using the lower left Thunderbolt 3 port [closest to the TAB key] for eGPU.

The 15" MacBook Pro is rather challenging to allocate resources for the external graphics card. By disabling the x16 PCIe controller - 1901 to the discrete Radeon Pro GPU, we found Windows likely has enough resources for an external GPU. For us this method has worked with GTX 980 Ti, GTX 1070, and GTX 1080 eGPU. From eGPU.io members' experience, Windows has a harder time with AMD cards. When we tried the RX 580 and RX Vega 56 eGPU, we needed to also disable the PCI Express x8 Controller - 1905 that connects to the left Thunderbolt 3 ports. External GPU works reliably using the right-side ports that connect to the PCI Express x4 Controller - 1909.

Boot Camp eGPU Setup Procedure

If viewing this on the forum, please jump to the mirrored news post here to see steps 1-4 below correctly.

Here are all the steps from start to finish to get an external graphics card running on a Thunderbolt 3 15" MacBook Pro. Do not connect the external GPU to the Mac laptop until instructed to do so. Download the linked resources at each step.

Step 1: Windows 10 ISO and DDU

Install Windows 10 ISO through Boot Camp Assistant - macOS

Download Windows 10 ISO then open Boot Camp Assistant to start installing Windows. If you intend to use an external SSD, partition the internal drive into 200GB for macOS and 50GB for Windows 10.

 

Install DDU to remove default graphics drivers and disable Windows automated GPU driver installation - Windows

Right click on Display Driver Uninstaller to run as Administrator. Then proceed to uninstall both Nvidia and AMD drivers. This process disables Windows 10 automated GPU drivers installation as well.

Create a manual Restore point just in case there’s boot up issues – name it DDU Safe - Windows

Type "system protection" into the Windows search box. Select Create a restore point under Best match. Make sure Protection is on for the Boot Camp partition and then create a restore point.

Step 2: rEFInd, apple_set_os.efi, Intel graphics drivers

Install rEFInd boot manager and mount ESP volume – disable SIP if you haven’t done so already - macOS

Open Terminal then drag and drop refind-install to install rEFInd bootmager. Drag and drop mountesp to mount the ESP volume.

Download and copy apple_set_os.efi into the custom folder inside EFI volume - macOS

Create a new folder named custom inside EFI » EFI. Copy the apple_set_os.efi file into the folder. 

Activate iGPU with rEFInd & apple_set_os.eft - Boot Selector

Hit ENTER on apple_set_os.efi volume at rEFInd screen. ARROW to the Windows volume to boot.

 
Confirm iGPU in Device Manager & install Intel graphics drivers - Windows

If you see two Microsoft Basic Display Adapter devices under Display adapters in Device Manager, proceed to install Intel graphics drivers.

Create a manual Restore point just in case there’s boot up issues – name it iGPU Safe - Windows

Type "system protection" into the Windows search bar then select Create a restore point under Best match. Make sure Protection is on for the Boot Camp partition and then create another restore point.


Step 3:
0xbb's gpu-swich and 2013 Visual C++

Disable PCIe Controller x8 – 1905 (left side USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 ports) - Windows

Select View » Devices by connection in Device Manager then expand the PCI Express Root Complex to locate and disable Intel(R) Xeon(R) E3 - 1200/1500 v5/6th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) PCIe Controller (x8) - 1905.

Attach the iGPU to internal display with gpu-switch – may need to install 2013 Visual C++ x86 - Windows

Run gpu-switch integrated.bat as Administrator to attach the internal display to iGPU at next boot. If you encounter a System Error message due to missing MSVCR120.dll, install 2013 Visual C++ X86. Shut the computer down when Windows CMD screen disappears.


Step 4:
AMD Radeon drivers or Nvidia GeForce drivers

Connect the eGPU to a right TB3 port then boot into Windows - Boot Selector

Connect the external GPU to one of the Thunderbolt 3 ports on the right side of the 15" MacBook Pro. ENTER on apple_set_os.efi at rEFInd boot screen. ARROW to select the Window volume to boot.

Install Radeon or GeForce graphics drivers for eGPU - Windows

Open Device Manager to confirm there's a third graphics device. This new device is the external graphics card. Proceed to install the drivers accordingly to your external GPU device.

Disable dGPU on PCIe Controller x16 - 1901 to use AMD eGPU - Windows

Nvidia eGPU can work without error 12 when the PCIe Controller x8 -1905 is disabled. AMD eGPU needs the PCIe Controller x16 – 1901 disabled as well to free up enough resources. Select View » Devices by connection in Device Manager and locate PCIe Controller x16 – 1901 to disable it.

Windows Booting Procedure

We've tested different combinations of the R9 Fury/X, RX 480, RX 580, GTX 980 Ti, GTX 1070, and GTX 1080 with the AKiTiO Node, Gigabyte AORUS Gaming Box, Mantiz Venus, Razer Core, and Sonnet Breakaway Box on a Late 2016 15" MacBook Pro, a Mid 2017 13" non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro, and a Mid 2017 13" Touch Bar MacBook Pro. External GPU works well and reliably once these steps are completed successfully. A normal boot procedure is as follows:

  • Connect the external GPU to designated Thunderbolt 3 port and power MacBook Pro on
  • Cold boot shows rEFInd boot menu (hold OPTION at boot if apple_set_os.efi is on USB drive)
  • Press ENTER on apple_set_os.efi boot item - MacBook Pro's display flashes briefly to confirm selection
  • Press ARROW key to Windows 10 volume then press ENTER to boot
  • Windows loads to Desktop and AMD XConnect/Nvidia Optimus icon shows up to confirm eGPU activation

There are reports of hot-plug possibilities. However, we've found it's not reliable and can crash Windows. Furthermore it may cause corruption in the bootup process. We've made a habit of always creating a manual restore point following a change. You never know when Windows will decide it can't boot into the Desktop anymore. Having these restore points labeled for each step allows you to go back to a particular stage should something happen.

Closing Thoughts

Apple can facilitate external GPU support in Boot Camp by optimizing its firmware. We're uncertain how many engineers are working on external graphics support for High Sierra. Boot Camp eGPU is likely low on the list of priorities, if on the list at all. We've opened a thread to petition for support of eGPU in Boot Camp. Please voice your opinions so that Apple will hopefully focus more attention on Boot Camp Mac users.

We're all learners as we venture into the territory of eGPU Boot Camp environment. If you know of a better procedure to setup and use external GPU in Boot Camp with a Mac, please share your experience with the community.

Update

Apple has made some firmware improvements in the mid-2017 MacBook Pro. Windows 10 now shows "Large Memory" under Device Manager » View » Resources by connection. This means some Mid 2017 MacBook Pros may be able to use Nvidia eGPU without encountering error 12, no workaround needed.

Help me please!
I have the same MacBook and an aorus box 1070.
So I have done almost all the points from the list but when I need to check igpu dgpu and egpu- I see only two of them without egpu. Whats the matter?

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