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Dec 1, 2018 4:38 pm  

It does! Luxmark 3,1 (luxball) gets me 25413 points. I'm not hack-savvy enough to go beyond this but if anyone has any tricks/suggestions to get more out of this setup I'd be happy to try

2015 15 inch Macbook Pro (2.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD)
2009 Mac Pro (6-core 3.33 GHz, 24GB RAM, Vega 56, macos 10.14.5 beta 2 & Windows 10 October edition, Apple SSUAX SSD, GC Titan Ridge TB3/USBC card)
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Dec 6, 2018 4:46 pm  

@dennis_wander Can you post a screen capture of System Information » Graphics/Displays tree? Connect the monitor to the external GPU too and see whether there's detection in macOS.

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Dec 6, 2018 9:58 pm  

I've made a small album of my setup and relevant screenshots from System Information.

The screen attached to the eGPU is definitely detected but I'm unable to get video output to it. It's connected via DP but HDMI gave the same result.

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2015 15 inch Macbook Pro (2.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD)
2009 Mac Pro (6-core 3.33 GHz, 24GB RAM, Vega 56, macos 10.14.5 beta 2 & Windows 10 October edition, Apple SSUAX SSD, GC Titan Ridge TB3/USBC card)
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Dec 24, 2018 4:25 pm  

Could you show me the speed of H2D on it with Mantiz Venus?
I can not find any infomation about it,is 12G or 14g?
I just want to know the performance of half TB3 

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Dec 24, 2018 5:09 pm  

@jinyuanlyu You can check through the user builds with the Mantiz Venus. This 2010 Mac Pro build is a proof of concept running through PCIe 2.0 so it does not reflect the native TB3 to PCIe 3.0 x4 connection.

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Dec 30, 2018 10:51 am  

This is awesome. Running  a 12 Core MacPro here.

Can I run an LG5k @5k using the Titan Ridge hooked to a Radeon 7970?

So theoretically a variety of thunderbol3 devices should be supported. Are both Ports usable, which one do we use for 5k output?

This is awesome, again.

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Dec 31, 2018 12:40 am  

@ealchemist To get 5K monitor output, you actually don't need a functional Thunderbolt AIC in macOS. While I have not tested this inside the 2010 Mac Pro tower, I was able to produce TB3 monitor output in eGPU enclosures. Here's a build with the Mantiz Venus + GC-ALPINE-RIDGE and another with Sonnet Breakaway Box + GC-ALPINE-RIDGE.

Both ports work in various systems I tested. I usually use Port 1 when I connect components/displays/adapters.

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Feb 6, 2019 10:09 pm  

Little Advice from the group?
I have a MP 4,1 - > 5,1 two Xeon 6-core and 16Gb RAM
Still running the GTX 120.

I do a lot of photo editing and graphics work, so I am looking for a better GPU.
AND Yes, I have Windows 10 and want to do some VR/Gaming
My question then is do scrap my current system and get something newer (have about $600 invested to date) OR continue and work on getting an eGPU or just drop a better card in the tower; although I may lose the boot otpion

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Feb 6, 2019 10:19 pm  

@mark_symms The Mac Pro tower can handle RX Vega 56 internally with stock PSU. You may need a pair of mini-PCIe to 8-pin PCIe power booster cables. In the US, they are around $350 atm. You can also go with RX 580 for around $200.

While there's no boot selector with these newer AMD cards, you can use software utilities such as Bootchamp. I have my Mac Pro default to booting macOS then use Bootchamp to boot into Windows partition when I need to.

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Feb 6, 2019 10:33 pm  

@theitsage - That is awesome news.  Will the RX Vega plug-n-play? Or will I need to do some tinkerin'?  Bootchamp - I had no idea.  Thought I was stuck.

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Feb 6, 2019 10:38 pm  

macOS 10.13 and 10.14 have native drivers for the RX Vega so it's plug-and-play once you have the proper power cables. Don't go with RX Vega 64 because the stock power boosters + slot can't handle it. To use Bootchamp you'd need to disable SIP.

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Feb 6, 2019 10:41 pm  

Perfect!  Any particular brand  of RX Vega or RX580?  Have you had better luck with some over others?  Newegg has both on sale today

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Feb 6, 2019 10:42 pm  

I'd recommend PowerColor. Sapphire would be the best but they don't often go on sales.

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Feb 6, 2019 10:45 pm  

Great will pick one up today.  Thank you very much for your time.

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Feb 7, 2019 1:13 am  

With all this hassle concerning the Nvidia web drivers not being available for macOS 10.14 I too switched to a RX 580 card (Gigabyte). Works flawlessly and seems about as fast as the Nvidia GTX 980 Ti I used before. Got the card for $200 - for the flashed Nvidia card I payed around $1000 some time ago!

Installation was easy and the card works well (besides the missing boot screen which currently is no issue). Installation of macOS 10.14 was a bit of a PITA since 10.13 must be installed first and from that 10.14 can be installed. (Mac Pro 5,1 Mid 2010 for me).

I am mostly using Photoshop, Lightroom (still runs sluggish as hell - shame on you Adobe!) and Phase One Capture One which utilizes the GPU very well.

Now I am curious how the upcoming Radeon VII cards will perform. Anybody have any idea how they will stack up against the current Nvidia cards?

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Feb 7, 2019 1:56 am  

@thomas_geist Reports from an ODM in Taiwan said the Radeon VII is very competitive with RTX 2080 in Windows gaming performance. This new GPU is not working in macOS atm. Apple has started adding PCI ID 66af into AMD10000Controller.kext and AMDRadeonX5000HWServices.kext. I'm hoping Radeon VII makes it into the 2019 Mac Pro. A launch at WWDC2019 would be awesome!

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Feb 7, 2019 12:17 pm  

@thomas_geist I too use mostly Lightroom and PS, some AI.  Ordered the RX Vega 56 yesterday.  Will report back after I see how the Adobe apps perform.

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Feb 13, 2019 12:39 am  

So the PowerColor Radeon Vega 56 arrived today.  I did order the power cables (6 pin and 8 pin) and they plugged right in.  However, when I powered up the Mac Pro, nothing but a black screen.  Running OSX 10.13.6.  Had to put my GTX 120 back in so it would work.  Thoughts?

UPDATE:  I did check the cables with a voltmeter.  They are putting out 12+v  from pertinent pins.  The card lights up, fans don't come on yet, and no video.

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Mar 16, 2019 7:28 am  

@itsage I see a 3-5 pin short mode on you thunderbolt header cable. What does that mean? It is required for the Thunderbolt AIC to Work? Thanks.

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Mar 19, 2019 6:15 pm  
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I know that a 2011 Mac mini can understand my EFI app but never thought that you can actually run it on a 2010 Mac Pro. Did you try to tick on "Launch on startup" setting and then boot with a single GPU only (eGPU disconnected)? Does it show the custom EFI boot screen and can you continue booting into macOS/Windows? (don't hold down the Option key on the second startup).

Hi @goalque, sorry for the long delay in testing your EFI app on the Mac Pro 5,1. I tried it this morning and your app was able to load up (w/o holding OPTION key) after I selected "Launch on startup". The connected Thunderbolt 3 eGPU was present as well. The next step of boot is what I got stuck at. The EFI boot loader could not advance into either Windows or macOS partition. I followed your instructions on automate-eGPU EFI page to remove apple_set_os.efi and change mux configuration to 1.

Booting without your EFI app and eGPU connected would let me get into Windows partition but not macOS. The system would hang 70% of the way and I could even hear the whooss fan noise from RX 580 eGPU. I attempted multiple hot-plugs from warm boot too but no go with macOS Thunderbolt 3 eGPU on this 5,1 + Titan Ridge AIC just yet. Thunderbolt 3 dock like the Mantiz Titan worked well.

 

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@itsage I see a 3-5 pin short mode on you thunderbolt header cable. What does that mean? It is required for the Thunderbolt AIC to Work? Thanks.

Shorting these two pins forces the Titan Ridge AIC to activate even when there's no Thunderbolt 3 devices connected prior to boot. It's helpful during the set up process so that you know the Thunderbolt 3 controller is active and the operating system should be able to detect the AIC [more info here]. I've observed this power-active mode of the Titan Ridge card interferes with Sleep/Suspense mode in Windows 10 and Linux.

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Apr 1, 2019 7:30 pm  

Did you get any progress with this setup? Been able to get video out of the eGPU graphics card?

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Apr 19, 2019 9:10 pm  

Now running macos 10.14.5 beta 2 and I'm able to get video output through the eGPU as well!

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2009 Mac Pro (6-core 3.33 GHz, 24GB RAM, Vega 56, macos 10.14.5 beta 2 & Windows 10 October edition, Apple SSUAX SSD, GC Titan Ridge TB3/USBC card)
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Apr 19, 2019 9:16 pm  

@dennis_wander Are we talking about the Thunderbolt 3 eGPU with your 2009 Mac Pro? If so can you share more information of your setup and boot up procedure?

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Apr 19, 2019 9:22 pm  

That one indeed. So some details:

2009 4,1-->5,1 Mac Pro, W3680, Vega 56, GC Titan Ridge, LG 34UC88, macos 10.14.5 beta 2 + Windows 10 October Edition
eGPU: XG Station Pro w/RX480 connected to the Titan Ridge with a TB3 cable

Booted into Windows with the monitor plugged into the Vega in the cMP. Switch monitor to the RX 480 in the eGPU, gives display. Then warm boot into macos, wait a minute and there you go, video through eGPU.

Let me know if you'd like any more info.

On another note, I've also got the Asus MB169C+ USB-C display to work nicely with the Titan Ridge (use the minidp --> dp cable included between your GPU and the Titan Ridge, then plug in the MB169C+ into one of the TB3 ports on the Titan Ridge, works instantly)

2015 15 inch Macbook Pro (2.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD)
2009 Mac Pro (6-core 3.33 GHz, 24GB RAM, Vega 56, macos 10.14.5 beta 2 & Windows 10 October edition, Apple SSUAX SSD, GC Titan Ridge TB3/USBC card)
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Apr 20, 2019 3:38 pm  

@dennis_wander That is excellent! Thank you. I will give this another try when I have time to swap components. I have the ASUS USB-C display too for this purpose. It would be fun to use RTX or GTX 1660/Ti through the USB-C port of these cards. They have Boot Screen support for the Mac Pro tower. Reading through your boot up procedure, I believe the boot hang I experienced was due to having Nvidia dGPU and AMD eGPU. Which Boot Option utility are you using in macOS?

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Apr 20, 2019 4:49 pm  

Sadly I don't have any RTX/GTX cards for testing, the boot screen support sounds very interesting. Shame there's no macos drivers.

For Macos, I simply used the Startup Disk function in System Preferences. Several third party utilities gave me headaches or broke the bootability of my Bootcamp partition (requiring reinstalls...). And indeed, I'd recommend just using AMD cards or at least older NVidia cards to rule out any issues arising from the new series.

As for the Asus screen, it really depends on which model you have exactly. Mine (MB169C+) needs an USB-C port capable of DP and power delivery. Would not work on a 2015 MBP with a TB2-->TB3 converter. Some other models simply need USB3 but are also worse quality (lag etc)

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Apr 24, 2019 3:39 pm  

So, to confirm  
Titan Ridge only works with Mojave

https://egpu.io/forums/mac-setup/script-enable-egpu-on-tb1-2-macs-on-macos-10-13-4/#post-33102

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Apr 24, 2019 5:39 pm  

@mark_hensley It may be possible in 10.13.

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Apr 25, 2019 1:12 am  
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@mark_hensley It may be possible in 10.13.

Actually looks like it does.
Running High Sierra and It's seeing the 5770 in the sonnet egpu case I have.
Picking up the 1080ti I got for $500 int he next day or so.
I'll have the 1080ti In the Mac Pro, and the 1080 in the Sonnet for Davinci Resolve.

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https://egpu.io/forums/mac-setup/script-enable-egpu-on-tb1-2-macs-on-macos-10-13-4/#post-33102

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