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mariscolarry
The factory PCB must be remove, otherwise it won't work.

sandwichram
Nice work! unfortunately gen1 may be stuttering. Cry Try  to use better and shorter cables.

Moussa Bayou
Nothing is guaranteed. But if your eGPU system is working, then an RTX 2060 works just like any PCI-e card.
Another issue is efficiency.

Mosab jawabreh
You need to check in the BIOS whether your laptop is in Legacy or UEFI mode.
If you are in Legacy mode, you will most likely have to use nando4's program. (Or you can reinstall Windows in UEFI mode.)
If your laptop is in UEFI mode, it may be a bit easier.
HP 8470p does not boot with connected eGPU.
In UEFI mode, try the following:
1. Turn on the VGA's power supply.
2. Turn on your laptop and press esc to enter the bios menu.
3. Join the eGPU and go on.
If you are lucky, error12 is waiting for you in the device manager.


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Moussa Bayou
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Diyman
I saw the 54mm Expresscard adapter PCB, and wondered when and if it will be ever released.
Just wondering before taking my project any further. Thanks for the previous reply btw.

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diyman
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Here is the public project: https://easyeda.com/diyman/expresscard-to-usb-3-0-miner-riser-egpu-adapter-public

And I attached the gerber files in .zip file too.

At jlcpcb.com/quote you can upload the gerber zip and order it.
Set the PCB Thickness to 0.8mm, and the PCB Qty to 5.

Instruction images:

Connect the pins
Tape down the WAKE# pin on the VGA

 

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Posted by: Jero

I have 9 of them left, I can send you some (I'm from Czech Republic). 😉

Hi @jero! Do you still have some of them in CZ? (I tried to send you a PM, but forum rejected it: You are not allowed to write a message yet.)

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Here is the public project: https://easyeda.com/diyman/expresscard-to-usb-3-0-miner-riser-egpu-adapter-public  

Hi @diyman! Could you please explain why is WAKE# pin on VGA card needed to be taped down? Also have you tested USB 2.0 socket on your PCB? According to EC port pinout, it is only USB 2.0 (and not 3.0) right?

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@diyman Also what is the problem with pin which you highlighted on the last instruction image?

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Posted by: pali

Hi @jero! Do you still have some of them in CZ? (I tried to send you a PM, but forum rejected it: You are not allowed to write a message yet.)

Hi, I think I have. Please write me an e-mail to [email protected]

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Moussa Bayou
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Hi,

So I've got the PCB ordered (finally) and I'm hopefully getting it in the next week.
The thing is I couldn't find any usb3.0 expresscard adapter. But as pali said, the pinout of the usb3.0 is the same as usb 2.0 in EC.

Furthermore, here in Algeria, USB 3.0 Expresscard adapters are basically rare, while USB 2.0 to Expresscard can be found.
Tried contacting stores and they said there might be some on the way in like 6 weeks.

Should I just go for a usb 2.0 to expresscard adapter (and probably use a female USB 3.0 from some available cheap products) or?

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Wikipedia says Express Card 2.0's USB 3.0 connection uses pins that are for PCIe so you can't do USB 3.0 and PCIe at the same time. The Bplus PE3A also explains this. Therefore, you should stick with just PCIe + USB 2.0.

I guess you want ExpressCard 2.0 anyway, to ensure support for PCIe 2.0 speed of 5 GT/s but I don't see anything that says earlier ExpressCard couldn't support 5 GT/s.

The ExpressCard 2.0 spec can be downloaded from http://www.usb.org/developers/expresscard/EC_specifications using the wayback machine web archive (Oct 2016).

Edit: I realize that you might not care about USB 3.0 functionality and just want the ExpressCard 2.0 adapters just for their connectors? Do you need a specific brand or model of ExpressCard adapter? Amazon has many - don't they ship to Algeria?

Question: I see the PCB for ExpressCard/34 only has PCIe. Is there a reason why it couldn't also expose a USB 2.0 connection like the PCB for ExpressCard/54 seems to? And can USB 2.0 and PCIe x1 be used at the same time?

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@joevt

Hi, I just realized the reply and I appreciate it. Also sorry for not reading it earlier as I already bought an Ethernet Expresscard that will come in handy later.

No, I wasn't really looking for specific models.

That said, the latter is a working 34mm ExpressCard 1.0 (not 2.0, also my laptop is only capable of 1.0), I also have a PCIe x1 - USB 3.0 that came with the Riser-006c, and both the 54mm/32mm PCBs that diyman shared before. Pretty much everything I need for my DIY adapter.

The question is if I should pick the 34mm PCB and solder stuff to it, then I have "the metal shields/plates" that cover the ExpressCard to, well.. cover it, or I should pick the 54mm PCB and have no shield to it (just placed as is with the soldered stuff in the Expresscard slot), and if there is any bandwidth differencies for both of them.

As for the 34mm Expresscard, I don't see why it wouldn't have a USB 2.0 connection, they're the same slot wise except for the size.

Edit: Actually, I will leave soldering components to a local store, they said they can do it for me.

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I believe there exists places where you can buy the Express Card connectors separately. There are places that sold the Express Card shields and plates but they have no stock now and probably won't get new stock.
https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=expresscard%20shield
https://www.digikey.com/products/en/connectors-interconnects/memory-connectors-pc-card-sockets/414?FV=ffe0019e%2C1600012&quantity=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&pageSize=25

I think any bandwidth differences would be caused by transmission errors which shouldn't occur if the quality is good enough.

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Moussa Bayou
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@joevt

Like I mentionned, I already have everything I need. The local store said that they can do all of the hardwork for me.

The PCBs I have came in a good quality, so transmission errors shouldn't be a thing.

I will be probably picking it the next wednesday, so lets hope my HP Pavilion DV7-3160 will take my GTX 1050 for a ride.

It's worth mentionning that I have a low profile 300w psu, that should come in handy when I make a portable case for it, I might even post in the builds section if it works out as it should.

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Posted by: @moussa_bayou

low profile 300w psu

Model? I keep a database of psu form factors and their sizes.

 

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a PM350SCA.

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@moussa_bayou I couldn't find any description of the PM350SCA so I don't know what low profile means in this context. Do you know the dimension of the power supply?

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Moussa Bayou
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Posted by: @joevt

@moussa_bayou I couldn't find any description of the PM350SCA so I don't know what low profile means in this context. Do you know the dimension of the power supply?

12.6*13*6.4cm (excluding cables). It puts out up to 350watts.

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Ok. I think it's an SFX-L form factor power supply (130, 125, 63.5). Smaller than ATX, longer than SFX.

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Moussa Bayou
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@joevt

Look, I believe this is going off-topic. I might create a topic for this project.

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eGPU doesn't get detected on laptop running a riser 006c + DIY expresscard adapter

Hello,

Just like the title says, I have a riser 006c + DIY expresscard adapter on my HP Pavilion DV7-3160es and a GTX 1050 .

When I booted up my system, it doesn't even get listed on the device manager nor that I get some slow down issues.

What could have gone wrong? There should be some troubleshooting steps right?

Looking forward to an answer, I can provide way more infos if necessary.

It's worth mentioning that I followed this post to make the adapter, and I can assure you it looks all sharp and clean.

Any answers?

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Moussa Bayou
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Btw I tried some troubleshooting steps,
1/ I turned on PSU then started my laptop.
2/ I turned on PSU after halting windows startup using F8 then continued.
3/ I turned on PSU right when the 4 dots of windows emerged.

I'm using windows 7.

Btw, it is worth noting that while testing the ethernet expresscard (that I desoldered the expresscard male adapter from) worked after installing the driver that came with it, even tho it was NOT detected anywhere in Device Manager before I did so.

Should I DDU the G105M 342.01 driver then try to install the new 378.78 driver?
In other words, Can I force the newer driver to install w/o any GPU detected?

I might leave this one to @nando4 or @diyman

Edit: Turned out, I forgot to solder USB VCC to GND on the riser's USB 3.0 pins, not sure if it helps tho.

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Moussa Bayou
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Okay, everything is done right, I also swapped the crappy cheap Type A USB 3.0 Male 2 Male cable that came with the riser with a better 1.5m one.
Still, no detection tho.

I'm beginning to think it's the GTX 1050 that I got from CEX that is problematic, even tho fans are spinning - dunno, spinning can be a good sign 😕
I think I will borrow any known working GPU to see if it detects it at all.

Edit: Nope, it's not the GPU. I might borrow an EXP GDC to see if it was all my laptop or the diy adapter.

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@moussa_bayou

I know this seems incredibly random but I'm working on an Expresscard to M.2 adapter and I'm having the same trouble as you - I fixed my issues with slowdown, but my device isn't showing up in device manager either. I'm trying to connect an NVMe SSD, so it should just act like a regular PCI-E device. Shouldn't be a graphics driver issue like might happen with an eGPU.

Have you figured anything out yet? Does yours work now? I have a feeling whatever you might be doing wrong, I might be doing wrong too. I tried following the OP's pinout diagram but still nothing.

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Glad I got a reply in an eternity...

Well, I'm out of choices as of now, last thing I might do is testing the adapter with a multimeter.
If it's not the issue, then I will buy a proper EC eGPU adapter since I found an EXP GDC anyway.

In my case, there is a guy who tried it with a Pavilion DV7-3020, same series and hardware as my 3160 so I hope it works.
If it does then I will absolutely recommend it, but again, this is specific to me and my laptop, so your mileage may vary.

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Moussa Bayou
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Speaking of your adapter, is it really worth adapting an NVMe SSD to an EC port?
I mean, cloning is another, easier and less bulkier solution 4 u.

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The intention with my design is to have a fully self-contained ExpressCard SSD. Using NVMe, on an EC 2.0 slot I'll be capped at roughly SATA3 speeds (500MB/s after encoding overhead), which is acceptable. I'll be able to support SSDs up to 2TB (that's the largest 2242 SSD out there right now).

I'm going to try using an EXP GDC with a PCI-E to M.2 adapter that I know works as a sanity check. I'll probably need to whip out the multimeter myself as well.

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Moussa Bayou
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Posted by: @yttrium_tyclief

@moussa_bayou

The intention with my design is to have a fully self-contained ExpressCard SSD. Using NVMe, on an EC 2.0 slot I'll be capped at roughly SATA3 speeds (500MB/s after encoding overhead), which is acceptable. I'll be able to support SSDs up to 2TB (that's the largest 2242 SSD out there right now).

I'm going to try using an EXP GDC with a PCI-E to M.2 adapter that I know works as a sanity check. I'll probably need to whip out the multimeter myself as well.

As far as I know, EXP GDCs don't support SSDs. Pcie stuff that can be plugged into it don't really mean that they will work.

You can do a little research on what SSD you have and if the adapter is confirmed to work with it unofficially.

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Posted by: @moussa_bayou
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@moussa_bayou

The intention with my design is to have a fully self-contained ExpressCard SSD. Using NVMe, on an EC 2.0 slot I'll be capped at roughly SATA3 speeds (500MB/s after encoding overhead), which is acceptable. I'll be able to support SSDs up to 2TB (that's the largest 2242 SSD out there right now).

I'm going to try using an EXP GDC with a PCI-E to M.2 adapter that I know works as a sanity check. I'll probably need to whip out the multimeter myself as well.

As far as I know, EXP GDCs don't support SSDs. Pcie stuff that can be plugged into it don't really mean that they will work.

You can do a little research on what SSD you have and if the adapter is confirmed to work with it unofficially.

I have successfully run PCIe SSDs via Expresscard. Any PCIe device will work, including a m.2 SSD on a PCIe to m.2 adapter, with the limitation of a single lane connection. Obviously, booting from that SSD is likely not going to work (that depends on the system BIOS, however).

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Should be bootable with Clover, which can be configured to hotload NVMe drivers for EFIs that lack the proper module (everything before Haswell-E/Skylake). I'm not worried about booting right now though, just trying to see the drive recognized in Windows in the first place.

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yttrium tyclief

Speaking of my project, I wonder if it was all the PSU.

It looks cheap tbh (actually, step above trash..), I ran my test bench with it (atleast I tried to), and turned out my pc didn't post.
After I replaced it with a 200w PSU I had laying around, it posted and everything was fine.

I will try to use it with my diy egpu adapter and hopefully everything will be good to go.

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Moussa Bayou
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Nevermind, I tried the previous, but nothing's getting detected.

Tested out the GTX 1050, it is getting detected in my test bench, so it's definitely not an issue with my gpu.

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Hi everybody!

I have an old 2012 HP Elitebook 8570w with a a 54mm Expresscard slot, and recently acquired a MSI GTX 960!

It has been a great pleasure reading through this thread! I loved seeing all the different approaches and am pretty excited by the idea that you can just DIY connections!

I'm looking to go for the the "C" version as described by DIYMan. I have the USB 3 Expresscard board in already and tested it, and also have the PCIE/mPCIE adapter board.

 

Hope to keep you guys posted here. This is my first post here but I think this community is pretty cool from what I've seen so far

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