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February 14, 2017 9:28 pm  

@Kyrio just follow my steps (see the first post again):

1. Uninstall GT650M Drivers from Device Manager and Download and install 327.70 NVIDIA just with GT650M  (without Akitio)

2. Obtain nando4's DIY eGPU Setup 1.35 and install per supplied instructions (view first post)

2.1 Shutdown and power the Akitio 

2.2. choose eGPU Setup 1.35 from boot menu and select 1 with your keyboard

2.3. choose again Windows 10 from boot menu

3. Install again 327.70 NVIDIA Driver when you with the two GPU's in Windows

ϟ AKiTiO Thunder2 + EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Gaming (macOS Sierra 10.12.4 and Windows 10)
 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
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February 15, 2017 6:09 pm  
Once again, thanks both of you :).
Posted by: enjoy

@Kyrio just follow my steps (see the first post again):

1. Uninstall GT650M Drivers from Device Manager and Download and install 327.70 NVIDIA just with GT650M  (without Akitio)

I'd love to but I can't :(. If I uninstall the GT650M driver, I can't successfully install 327.70 (or the latest) anymore - see my post above.

Posted by: nando4

- boot Win10 and allow Win10 to automatically PnP the 372.70 driver for the GTX970. Do a Device Manager rescan confirm it's detected and showing as GTX970 in Device Manager->Display adapters.

I think this step is where the process goes wrong. When I do the suggested and boot into Win10, the screen gets "refreshed" twice - simply put, the screen disappears for a split second (goes black) and I can hear a sound notification. After the first refresh, the screen returns to what it was - that's okay. But the second refresh causes a permanent black screen and the MBP goes hot (I can only see the mouse cursor). There's no time to check for device manager and GTX 970 :(.

Nevertheless, I tried the final step afterwards - unfortunately, it didn't help.

When I start the MBP at this point, the external monitor goes alive for a little moment and then goes dead again. After that, the boot selection screen (Win10 vs. DIY setup) either doesn't appear or it does but booting into Win10 fails (the balls only spin endlessly, after the logo disappears).


I noticed two potential problems with DIY setup:

1) When I run PCI compaction, at the end it says: "setpci: Unable to parse filter -s Invalid bus number". The process seems to finish fine though.

2) Before I launch "Test run", I get a warning that not all PCI devices are allocated and I'm adviced to run PCI compaction on all PCI devices. I tried that also but the warning didn't go away and the end result was the same.

I'm going to try to switch TB ports now and report back later :). In the meantime, feel free to comment.

 

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I can't even boot into Win10 if I disconnect the eGPU. Once that "permanent black screen" happens, it's over and I have to go back to a recovery point :).


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Posted by: Kyrio

 

I noticed two potential problems with DIY setup:

1) When I run PCI compaction, at the end it says: "setpci: Unable to parse filter -s Invalid bus number". The process seems to finish fine though.

2) Before I launch "Test run", I get a warning that not all PCI devices are allocated and I'm adviced to run PCI compaction on all PCI devices. I tried that also but the warning didn't go away and the end result was the same.

I'm going to try to switch TB ports now and report back later :). In the meantime, feel free to comment. 

Pls email respond to get help there. Prevents clogging up the forum with software specific issues. I have a fix there too.

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February 16, 2017 5:26 pm  

I just update my NVIDIA Drivers with the latest one - 378.66, works great!

ϟ AKiTiO Thunder2 + EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Gaming (macOS Sierra 10.12.4 and Windows 10)
 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
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February 21, 2017 1:44 pm  

Hitman (2016) DX12

Ultra (all to MAX) +SMAA  with 1680x1050 I can play the game with 30-35 FPS on my retina display... 

ϟ AKiTiO Thunder2 + EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Gaming (macOS Sierra 10.12.4 and Windows 10)
 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
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February 25, 2017 7:08 pm  

GTA IV (2008)

Very High (all to MAX) +SMAA with ENB mod and textures mods + car mods  with 1680x1050 I can play the game with 30-35 FPS on my retina display...  The best story in game for me, and after 9 years finally i can run it to the max, its look great with all mods - REPLAY!

ϟ AKiTiO Thunder2 + EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Gaming (macOS Sierra 10.12.4 and Windows 10)
 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
mini eGPUPCI Express vs. ThunderboltMac CAN gameGaming Laptops vs. MacBook Pro with eGPU


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February 25, 2017 9:09 pm  

I just order apple metal logo from ebay (13mm X 15mm) to replace Akitio front logo, it will look like this: 

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ϟ AKiTiO Thunder2 + EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Gaming (macOS Sierra 10.12.4 and Windows 10)
 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
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March 3, 2017 12:50 pm  

@enjoy Did you notice any similar behavior with your setup (approximately 0.25 seconds of latency)?

 

I’m not interested in running any weird scripts to get Optimus drivers for the internal display working, but I learned something interesting while fiddling with the Windows display settings. If you set the multiple display setting to “Duplicate these displays”, it seems that somehow the eGPU gets used for both the internal and external display! Assuming I’m interpreting this finding correctly, this means that theoretically you could buy something like this HDMI display emulator and use the eGPU on the internal display without an external monitor and without having to go through the hacky process of getting Optimus up and running. Unfortunately, there’s a performance penalty of about 20%-25% (according to my benchmarks) as well as approximately 0.25 seconds of latency, making this approach untenable for first-person shooters and other twitchy games. (I wonder if this is also the case with the Optimus driver route?)

original post link:  http://beta-blog.archagon.net/2016/12/31/cheap-and-painless-egpu-thrills-on-a-2013-macbook-pro/

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I found great deal in Bulgaria for - 15' Retina Macbook Pro (late-2013)

  • Core i7 (I7-4750HQ) 2.0GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor (Turbo Boost up to 3.2GHz)
  • 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3L SDRAM
  • Iris Pro 5200 (only) no dGPU
  • 256 GB SSD
  • Thunderbolt 2

 

I think to buy it, to upgrade my setup to drive Internal Display with Optimus with my eGPU setup.

@nando4 & @theitsage - do you know about that model and how it work with eGPU and Internal Display (can i activate Optimus) and if i need your DIY eGPU Setup 1.35 for this model?

This is the only model with no dGPU for 15' Retina models and i think it is the best for my setup. I don't want 13 and dual core 🙂

I will sell my current 15' Retina Macbook Pro (mid-2012) TB1 dGPU - GT 650 for the same price so this is no cost upgrade from Thunderbolt 1 to Thunderbolt 2 and from dGPU to no dGPU - Optimus 🙂

I think this is the best step for me right now, because Apple will upgrade the new model only with last Intel processor and 32GB RAM nothing new i guess....

ϟ AKiTiO Thunder2 + EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Gaming (macOS Sierra 10.12.4 and Windows 10)
 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
mini eGPUPCI Express vs. ThunderboltMac CAN gameGaming Laptops vs. MacBook Pro with eGPU


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March 4, 2017 8:06 pm  

Posted by: Antharsious

@enjoy Did you notice any similar behavior with your setup (approximately 0.25 seconds of latency)?

I don't play online games and shooters but I don't have latency with all games I played on my Internal Retina display. The games are run under 60FPS because i maxed out them so maybe that is the reason i don't know, but it's perfect for my gameplay style 🙂

ϟ AKiTiO Thunder2 + EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Gaming (macOS Sierra 10.12.4 and Windows 10)
 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
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March 5, 2017 12:15 pm  
Posted by: enjoy

 

I found great deal in Bulgaria for - 15' Retina Macbook Pro (late-2013)

  • Core i7 (I7-4750HQ) 2.0GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor (Turbo Boost up to 3.2GHz)
  • 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3L SDRAM
  • Iris Pro 5200 (only) no dGPU
  • 256 GB SSD
  • Thunderbolt 2

 

I think to buy it, to upgrade my setup to drive Internal Display with Optimus with my eGPU setup.

@nando4 & @theitsage - do you know about that model and how it work with eGPU and Internal Display (can i activate Optimus) and if i need your DIY eGPU Setup 1.35 for this model?

This is the only model with no dGPU for 15' Retina models and i think it is the best for my setup. I don't want 13 and dual core 🙂

I will sell my current 15' Retina Macbook Pro (mid-2012) TB1 dGPU - GT 650 for the same price so this is no cost upgrade from Thunderbolt 1 to Thunderbolt 2 and from dGPU to no dGPU - Optimus 🙂

I think this is the best step for me right now, because Apple will upgrade the new model only with last Intel processor and 32GB RAM nothing new i guess....

   

Yes, that is a very good MBP for eGPU use. It still has a considerable number of ports unlike the dongled late-2016 15" MBP. Your AkiTiO Thunder2 would pair well with it. I've also eyed the Iris Pro 15 MBP as consider it a real standout from Apple's offerings for eGPU use.

The lack of dGPU simplifies the eGPU installation.  Yes, I have the 15" Iris Pro MBP working via Setup 1.35, though quite a few users got Win10 to work as a PnP EFI Win10 installation. See how you go.

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March 5, 2017 12:23 pm  

Thank you for this great and detailed manual. I have one question.

How do you run a GPU which requires 400W with a 220 W PSU ? 


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March 5, 2017 12:26 pm  
Posted by: nando4
 
Yes, that is a very good MBP for eGPU use. It still has a considerable number of ports unlike the dongled late-2016 15" MBP. Your AkiTiO Thunder2 would pair well with it. I've also eyed the Iris Pro 15 MBP as consider it a real standout from Apple's offerings for eGPU use. The lack of dGPU simplifies the eGPU installation.  Yes, I have the 15" Iris Pro MBP working via Setup 1.35, though quite a few users got Win10 to work as a PnP EFI Win10 installation. See how you go.

Thank you, I found this: 

So I have worked out a repeatable process for getting my Optimus setup to work:

1. Turn off Macbook.

2. Power off Sonnet (I actually pull the power out of the unit). This seems to reset the state of the Sonnet to clean.

3. Turn off power supply to GPU.

4. Power on Sonnet and plug in Thunderbolt cable.

5. Turn on laptop holding ALT/Option to allow OS selection.

6. When MacBook startup chime happens (a couple of seconds after power on) turn on GPU power supply.

7. Choose Windows from the OS selection menu. 

This works 3/3 times. I think the key learning is to make sure you turn off/unplug the Sonnet so any memory/state is lost from their board.

Of course, if you want to use an external screen then just turn off the MacBook and make sure the Sonnet and the GPU are powered and it will just work.

 

This user have the same 15' Retina Macbook Pro (late-2013) Iris Only + GTX760 and Sonnet EE SE II + Win 8.1 UEFI.

Do you think this will work on my Windows 10 Bootcamp with your 1.35 setup?

ϟ AKiTiO Thunder2 + EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Gaming (macOS Sierra 10.12.4 and Windows 10)
 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
mini eGPUPCI Express vs. ThunderboltMac CAN gameGaming Laptops vs. MacBook Pro with eGPU


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March 5, 2017 12:43 pm  

This user have the same 15' Retina Macbook Pro (late-2013) Iris Only + GTX760 and Sonnet EE SE II + Win 8.1 UEFI.

Do you think this will work on my Windows 10 Bootcamp with your 1.35 setup?

   

If you do a MBR Windows install, then yes, can use Setup 1.35 to correct the error 12 as I have done previously on this model.

2013 15" Dell Latitude E6540 HD8790M + RX580@4Gbps-EC2 (EXP GDC 8.x) + macOS 10.13.5 & Win10
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March 5, 2017 12:51 pm  
Posted by: nando4

 

If you do a MBR Windows install, then yes, can use Setup 1.35 to correct the error 12 as I have done previously on this model.

   

And the last question before i buy this model:

I backUP the Bootcamp partition with WinClone so many times when i move to a new Mac, but because now i have your 1.35 setup on my current Bootcamp part, if i need to uninstall your setup before make a backUP... it's a strange question but you know how your script work so.... ? 


Also based on your thread i could play all games 40-60FPS with FULL HD via Optimus on my Internal Display and 30 FPS with Retina resolution with Thunderbolt 2 instead TB1 now i guess.....


I found this video, this user FORCE the Nvidia driver to force Optimus i think that will work (only works for non-dGPU):

ϟ AKiTiO Thunder2 + EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Gaming (macOS Sierra 10.12.4 and Windows 10)
 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
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Posted by: thor203

 

Thank you for this great and detailed manual. I have one question.

How do you run a GPU which requires 400W with a 220 W PSU ? 

   

There isn't a single modern GPU, aside of the Titan Z and the R9 295X2, that needs anywhere near 400W. Even custom, overclocked, GTX1060s max out at around 150W of power consumption, and regular cards max out at around 130W. The power requirements listed for video cards are typically for a whole system including the video card, hence the 400W value.

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March 8, 2017 1:27 pm  

I just received my "new" 15' Retina Macbook Pro (late-2013) Iris Only, 39 cycles battery from a woman that wasn't used it often, great deal tbh. So this is my last post here, i will make a new Implementation Guide (and new test TB1 vs. TB2), but first lets backUp and Restore with Time Machine and WinClone. 

The Upgrade:

  • from Thundebolt 1 (10Gbps) to Thundebolt 2 (16Gbps) (i can up the resolution now)
  • from I7-3615QM to I7-4750HQ Processor (not big deal but upgrade the new model is better)
  • from Fake Internal Display to Optimus Internal Display (the dream of eGPU users)
  • from dGPU to iGPU only (the dream of eGPU users)
  • from mid-2012 to late-2013 (for the same price)

UPDATE: After big problems with WinClone i finally backUP my old Windows and macOS so Iam ready for test etc... tomorrow i will try to force Optimus with my "new" Mac 🙂

ϟ AKiTiO Thunder2 + EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Gaming (macOS Sierra 10.12.4 and Windows 10)
 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
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April 27, 2017 2:52 pm  

Can I connect rx 480 with identical setup 6 pin splitter to 8 pin rx?


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April 27, 2017 2:55 pm  

maybe it's important to add that it's asus dyal rx 480 oc O8G not reference 


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May 20, 2017 12:18 pm  

I'm currently working on a similar setup (early 2013 mbp retina with 650M). Just with a 1050 ti instead of the 1060 to be able to use a 120W PSU without modifications (by now). Mac OS setup worked out of the box with the new Pascal drivers now available from Nvidia but I run into problems with Win10 Creators Update on Bootcamp. It recognized the 1050, installed drivers and tell me to restart the "pc". After that I've been unable to boot again with or without the thunder2 connected. Fortunatelly, I've had backed up the bootcamp partition with Winclone and I was able to recover it to the previous state. Now I've found this thread and I think this is just what I need to read. Purchased the DIYeGPU app. Looking forward to try it tonight. Thank you four this detailed post, man.


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May 21, 2017 12:28 am  

@enjoy Unfortunately, I've struggled with this all day with no success. My 1050 with the Akitio Thunder2 isn't been detected by Windows 10 (bootcamp) anymore. Just the first time I plugged appeared on Device Manager, after that, it dissapear forever. I've tried everything I found but Win always keeps reinstalling the 650 drivers instead of the external card (it's working on macOS though). I bought the DIYeGPU 1.35 but it won't work on UEFI installations like mine.

I think the key to success here is to be able to disable the 650m but it is always restored when I install the nvidia drivers. Any advice? I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks

 


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May 24, 2017 11:43 pm  

@enjoy Finally I managed to make it work. I'm very happy so I need a new source of frustration 🙂 I'd like to be able to use my macbook display to play (despite the loss of performance). Your workaround to fake the external display seems great but I found having to use a program to move the windows (and having to play in windows mode) quite messy. What if you configure Windows to "duplicate" displays? Would that work using eGPU acceleration too? Is there any advantage (or disadvantage) of using something like this (other from the money it cost) instead of the resistors trick?

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@enjoy Finally I managed to make it work. I'm very happy so I need a new source of frustration 🙂 I'd like to be able to use my macbook display to play (despite the loss of performance). Your workaround to fake the external display seems great but I found having to use a program to move the windows (and having to play in windows mode) quite messy. What if you configure Windows to "duplicate" displays? Would that work using eGPU acceleration too? Is there any advantage (or disadvantage) of using something like this (other from the money it cost) instead of the resistors trick?

Thank you

Nope... it's only works when you move the game in Window Mode from a fake display or external display to the internal display!

ϟ AKiTiO Thunder2 + EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Gaming (macOS Sierra 10.12.4 and Windows 10)
 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
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October 8, 2017 1:59 pm  

Hi, thank you for all of your efforts to help all of us MacBook lovers enjoy the same GPU experiences windows users have! I wanted to ask you if you believe that i would be able to run VR games just as smoothly as you run the games you run with your setup. I am not much of a pc gamer but i really want to get an oculus rift and this would be a much more affordable method for me. I have a 2012 mid 15" retina macbook pro. Please let me know your thoughts and if you just recommend i try to upgrade to a newer macbook.  Thank you 


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Hey guys!

I'm setting up my Akitio Thunder3 with a 1060 right now. It was honestly a lot heavier than I expected--I thought I might have a semi-portable solution but it's probably too big anyways. So I'm considering returning the parts.

That being said--it would be a shame not to fire it up since I have all the parts set up here!

My one question, is it insanely stupid to have threaded my wires between the back of the GPU heatsink and its mainboard? I'm doing this to avoid drilling. Check this out:

Let me know if there's anything wrong with this setup. I'll probably plug it in soon and we'll soon see.


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May 23, 2018 10:06 pm  

@enjoy
I am looking to do this on my rMBP 2012, but still have some questions.
1. Do you think it will it work if I am using a Akitio Thunder3 PCB?
2. I am not clear about nando4 DIY eGPU, is that a program I am running on windows? or am I flashing my macbook's BIOS (didn't know that was possible lol)

Thanks man, this thread is amazing, my MacBook will gain some time of life 🙂


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May 30, 2018 1:19 pm  

@enjoy will the Dell DA-2 PSU work on an 8 pin GPU? like GTX-980 or will I have to move to de the Meanwell PSU?


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