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itsage
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@lividity Do you need a longer Thunderbolt 3 cable than standard .5m? I believe you can get one fairly cheap or ask the vendor you bought the Gaming Box from to replace. Firmware flashing instructions are detailed in this post. The 1.3 update is an adjustment to the behavior of the two 40mm fans. They turn off during idle mode to keep the enclosure quiet.

 

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Lividity
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@itsage

Happy with a shorter cable - the longer ones get expensive. Noise not an issue for me. 

I'll go with the Apple one - given their return policy as well. Will let you know how I go.

Thanks much!

Ok another random development. I pulled out the cable to have a look at it, and decided to plug it in the other way. Now I get this:

H2D/D2H speed in Windows is same though

Screen Shot 2019 10 15 at 10.07.15 pm
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joevt
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@lividity

I've never seen that before. "Link Status 0x2 /0x1 Speed: Up to 20 / 40 Gb/s x2 Current Link Width 0x1" - I guess it means one lane can do 10 Gbps and another lane can do 20 Gbps and since both can't do 20 Gbps, then you are left with single lane 20 Gbps or two lane 10 Gbps? Anyway, since it doesn't say "Speed: Up to 40 Gb/s x1 Current Link Width: 0x2" then it's still a problem. Time to try a different cable.

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Lividity
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@joevt @itsage

So I finally got back from holidays and went and bought Apple's TB3 0.8m cable.

I get the same results in macOS - "Up to 20 / 40 Gb/s x2"

I'm going to reboot into Windows now and see whether there's any change to D2H/H2D.

UPDATE: Well it actually took a bit of fiddling to get it to work normally with the Apple cable, at first it just wouldn't recognise in the normal way. I had to hotplug it with the OEM cable to get it to recognise, and then reboot and plug with the Apple cable at the spinning circles. I find this quite bizarre.

The CUDA-Z results are pretty much identical. H2D ~1400, D2H ~1700

 

I'm at a loss as to what to do next about this, and whether anything can be done. It doesn't seem to be related to cables at all. Is it something to do with the combination of 2017 MBP (15")+ AORUS RTX2070? I guess I could try the same box on a different (newer) 15" MBP and see what happens.

I also read with interest @tsakal 's posts here:
https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/gigabyte-rx-580-gaming-box-review-little-middle/paged/5/

I wonder how they're going.

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joevt
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@lividity Did you try all the ports of the MacBook Pro? If it's not the MacBook Pro and it's not the cables, then it's probably the Aorus.

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Lividity
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@joevt

Yeah I tried all the ports (in macOS). Same deal.

Is it common for the box to have this kind of problem? What causes it? (especially given that it is "working")

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Lividity
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@joevt 

So by some strange coincidence, I happened to get access to a brand new MSI Prestige 15 laptop (build post here) with i7-10710U (6-core) and GTX 1650 MaxQ and 4k screen. This gave me the opportunity to test the Gaming Box against another machine to see whether the D2H speeds would be different. 

As it turns out, they are:

Macbook Pro:

Annotation 2019 11 05 095415   Apple cable

MSI Prestige:

Annotation 2019 11 04 161216

As you can see, the D2H speed is way higher - suggesting that the Gaming Box itself is fine.

This got me wondering how much the D2H speeds matter at all.

So I decided to run some actual performance benchmarks (which, admittedly, I should've done from the beginning - I have now updated the OP here with screenshots).

Without reposting the screens, here's what I found:

Unigine Valley:
Macbook Pro - FPS 88.0 - Score 3681
MSI Prestige - FPS 88.3 - Score 3694

Unigine Heaven:
Macbook Pro - FPS 94.1 - Score 2370
MSI Prestige - FPS 79.6 - Score 2005

Unigine Superposition:
Macbook Pro - FPS 106.84 - Score 14284
MSI Prestige - FPS 93.01 - Score 12435

3dMark:
Macbook Pro - 6528 - Graphics 7871 - CPU 3319
MSI Prestige - 6643 - Graphics 7492 - CPU 4047

I'm a little suspicious of the Unigine results, and whether they tell us anything at all. Especially when I compare them to older posts here(itsage), and here

 

What do you make of this?

I was expecting the MSI Prestige to be a killer laptop with 6 cores on a 10th-gen Intel platform... But it only shows in the 3dMark numbers for CPU, otherwise the 2017 MBP still has the higher ground. 

For now, I've concluded:

  1. There is nothing wrong with my Gaming Box
  2. I don't think the H2D or D2H speed matters
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joevt
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@lividity Manufacturing defect? Weren't there mentions of this kind of problem with the Aorus Gaming Box in other threads? I don't recall where I saw that.

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Lividity
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@joevt

Yeah at least tsakal mentioned it in another thread when I asked.

The point I'm making above is that I've now tested the same box against a different (and newer) laptop and it showed faster D2H speeds. So it doesn't seem to be an issue with the Gaming Box.

Also, the difference in D2H speed didn't make a difference in benchmarks, in fact, the newer laptop performed worse.

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Jimmy
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Thank you for clarifying this. I am having the same issue with my 2018 13 Macbook Pro and AGB RX580. I have tried 3 different cable (stock cable, 0.8m apple cable, and CalDigit 2m TB3 Active 40Gbps) but getting the same result. Now I know the problem lies with my MBP. It appears there are some MBP with this defective thunderbolt controller.

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