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System specs

-MacBook Pro 15 inch 2018, i7-8850 6-core, 32GB Ram, 1TB SSD
-External Monitor Samsung 2560x1440
-Mac OSX 10.14.4 beta, Windows 10 Build 1803

 

eGPU hardware

Asus XG Station Pro
nVidia GeForce GTX Titan Black

Hardware pictures

TitanBlackInAsus

Installation steps

MacOSX:

The Titan Black is natively supported by MacOSX/Mojave, but you will need addtional software (e.g. @mac_editor's purge-wrangler) to enable nVidia eGPUs.

About

(Note: The screenshot is taken by another mac, but the result is the same. Mojave is well supported with nVidia Kepler GPUs)

Windows:

It's very easy for nVidia cards, please follow my Bootcamp guide!

 

Benchmarks

1) MacOSX Computing:

 

This card has the feature to enable Double precision FLOPS (FP64). CudaZ:

FP64 off (default) FP64 on
CudaZ OCBios
CudaZ FP64onOC

 

2000 Giga FLOPS double precision is something not many cards can achieve. It's still one of the best FP64 cards ever. More than double flops than a RX Vega 64.

 

2) MacOSX Gaming:

Borderlands2 2560x1440p Ultra Settings: 

GTX Titan Black GTX 1080 Ti RX Vega 56
Borderlands2
Borderlands2eGPU
Borderlands2 Vega56

The performance in MacOSX is outstanding. 


3) Windows:

Valley TitanBlack

In Windows the performance is good, but not as outstanding as the MacOSX performance. It's somewhere between a GTX1060 and a GTX1070.

4) Vulkan:

There is a myth that Kepler cards are only good in OpenGL, which is a long abandoned technology. This is not exactly true. They perform great in Metal and Vulkan, too.
Here are some benchmarks of Games using Vulkan API. Resolution 2560x1440p, Max Settings:

Doom:              57 FPS
Wolfenstein 2: 65 FPS

 

Comments

- It's very surprising that in this discussion about nVidia and Webdrivers nobody ever mentions Kepler cards.
- It's not true that nVidia cards do not run in Mojave.
- This card is a real alternative to AMD cards in Mojave.
- It's after EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 the most impressive GPU I ever tested.
- Performance gain of GTX Titan Black compared to Radeon Pro 560X: 2.71
- Performance gain of Radeon Pro compared to Intel UHD 630: 2.71
- The green color of GTX pairs great with the red color of Asus XG Station Pro.
- This card is sold here.

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2018 15" MBP & 2015 13" MBP connected to RTX2080Ti GTX1080Ti GTX1080 Vega56 RX580 R9-290 GTX680

 
2018 15" MacBook Pro (RP560X) [8th,6C,H] + RX 5700 XT @ 32Gbps-TB3 (ASUS XG Station Pro) + Win10 & macOS 10.15.4 [build link]  


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I am lucky to have two cards, of course I don't need both, so I am selling one.

2018 15" MBP & 2015 13" MBP connected to RTX2080Ti GTX1080Ti GTX1080 Vega56 RX580 R9-290 GTX680

 
2018 15" MacBook Pro (RP560X) [8th,6C,H] + RX 5700 XT @ 32Gbps-TB3 (ASUS XG Station Pro) + Win10 & macOS 10.15.4 [build link]  


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@oliver genuine question - what is purge wrangler doing to get this card to work? If it's natively supported (as in drivers are baked into the OS) what do you need purge wrangler for?

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GTX1060 + AKiTiO Thunder3 + Win10
GTX1070 + Sonnet Breakaway Box + Win10
GTX1070 + Razer Core V1 + Win10
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Vega 56 + Mantiz Venus + macOS + W10

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Natively supported in a classic Mac Pro, not as an eGPU. Patches required.

automate-eGPU EFIapple_set_os.efi

Mid 2015 15-inch MacBook Pro eGPU Master Thread

 
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Posted by: goalque

Natively supported in a classic Mac Pro, not as an eGPU. Patches required.

@eightarmedpet, @goalque is saying it precisely, Apple still bans nVidia eGPU for some reason while supporting it natively at the same moment. It doesn't make lot of sense like many things.

I have some surprising results. In another MacOSX Benchmark this GeForce GTX Titan Black is performing better than a RX Vega 56.
Admitted, it's an nVidia friendly benchmark, but it's backed by other benchmarks, too.

  GTX Titan Black RX Vega 56
Unigine Valley Extreme HD
Valley TitanBlackMacOSX
Valley Vega56 MacOSX


I wonder, when the GTX Titan Black performing not much worse than a Vega56 and works perfectly in Mojave, why it's not within the discussions about nVidia Webdrivers, AMD cards etc? People are always telling, nVidia won't work in Mojave, everybody must use AMD. This is not true.

@itsage, @eightarmedpet, @goalque, @mac_editor, you know a lot about the eGPU scene. Do you have an explanation for this phenomena?

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2018 15" MBP & 2015 13" MBP connected to RTX2080Ti GTX1080Ti GTX1080 Vega56 RX580 R9-290 GTX680

 
2018 15" MacBook Pro (RP560X) [8th,6C,H] + RX 5700 XT @ 32Gbps-TB3 (ASUS XG Station Pro) + Win10 & macOS 10.15.4 [build link]  


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@oliverb The native NVIDIA drivers are actually superb. They are clearly better (vs. AMD) especially on the outdated OpenGL currently available on macOS, and even on Metal in some cases. These GPUs do a fine job. Try some FCP/DaVinci benchmarks as well. Realistic workloads are better representative of performance.

purge-wranglertbt-flashpurge-nvdaset-eGPU
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Posted by: mac_editor

@oliverb The native NVIDIA drivers are actually superb. They are clearly better (vs. AMD) especially on the outdated OpenGL currently available on macOS, and even on Metal in some cases. These GPUs do a fine job. Try some FCP/DaVinci benchmarks as well. Realistic workloads are better representative of performance.

I still can't understand, why this is on nobody's screen. It's common sense that Mojave automatically requires AMD. I have been on this site for quite a long time and didn't know. It was by accident that I read GTX680 was supported in Mojave and started digging for the reasons. 
There are lot of Kepler cards which perform quite well, too, so this shouldn't be the reason. It's because of age of the cards? They are not hyped, so nobody sees them as a possibility.

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2018 15" MBP & 2015 13" MBP connected to RTX2080Ti GTX1080Ti GTX1080 Vega56 RX580 R9-290 GTX680

 
2018 15" MacBook Pro (RP560X) [8th,6C,H] + RX 5700 XT @ 32Gbps-TB3 (ASUS XG Station Pro) + Win10 & macOS 10.15.4 [build link]  


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Apple & AMD never invested in improving OpenGL drivers. "Designed more than 25 years ago" is a good reason. Nvidia did in vain. Now OpenGL is deprecated.

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Posted by: OliverB
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@oliverb The native NVIDIA drivers are actually superb. They are clearly better (vs. AMD) especially on the outdated OpenGL currently available on macOS, and even on Metal in some cases. These GPUs do a fine job. Try some FCP/DaVinci benchmarks as well. Realistic workloads are better representative of performance.

I still can't understand, why this is on nobody's screen. It's common sense that Mojave automatically requires AMD. I have been on this site for quite a long time and didn't know. It was by accident that I read GTX680 was supported in Mojave and started digging for the reasons. 
There are lot of Kepler cards which perform quite well, too, so this shouldn't be the reason. It's because of age of the cards? They are not hyped, so nobody sees them as a possibility.

I think you’ve hit on the issue at the end there. I too keep getting caught up in the latest and greatest when there haven’t been massive improvements in GPUs across the board for years and as you’ve found out, high end older gen cards can still pack a punch. I always knew 680 gen cards were supported due the old iMacs I believe? Or was it the Mac Pro’s? But never really paid attention because they are a few gems old.

Oh also, careful with your accusations, I know very little  😉

2017 13" MacBook Pro Touch Bar
GTX1060 + AKiTiO Thunder3 + Win10
GTX1070 + Sonnet Breakaway Box + Win10
GTX1070 + Razer Core V1 + Win10
Vega 56 + Razer Core V1 + macOS + Win10
Vega 56 + Mantiz Venus + macOS + W10

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LG 5K Ultrafine flickering issue fix

 
2017 13" MacBook Pro [7th,2C,U] + RX 5700 XT @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Mantiz Venus) + macOS 10.15.4 & Win10 2004 [build link]  


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Posted by: OliverB

I still can't understand, why this is on nobody's screen. It's common sense that Mojave automatically requires AMD. I have been on this site for quite a long time and didn't know. It was by accident that I read GTX680 was supported in Mojave and started digging for the reasons. 
There are lot of Kepler cards which perform quite well, too, so this shouldn't be the reason. It's because of age of the cards? They are not hyped, so nobody sees them as a possibility.

Newer cards = longer support. Given that Apple has gone the AMD route, it is clear where we will see improvements, and where future technologies will perform better (Vulkan/Metal). Buying decisions aren't always made based on how things are now, but also on the future (evident with the deprecation of OpenCL/GL - which will be completely removed with 2019's macOS release). Everything would be awesome if Apple starts supporting both vendors.

purge-wranglertbt-flashpurge-nvdaset-eGPU
Insights Into macOS Video Editing Performance

Master Threads:
2014 15-inch MacBook Pro 750M
2018 15-inch MacBook Pro

 
2019 13" MacBook Pro [8th,4C,U] + RX Vega 64 @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Mantiz Venus) + macOS 10.14.6 & Win10 [build link]  


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