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2018 15" MacBook Pro (RP560X) [8th,6C,H] + RTX 2080 Ti @ 32Gbps-TB3 (AKiTiO Node Pro) + Win10 [rubycrow]  

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System specs (model inc screen size, CPU, iGPU, dGPU, operating system)

- MacBook Pro 15" (2018)
- 2.9 GHz Intel Core i9 CPU (i9-8950HK) 
- Intel UHD 630 iGPU, AMD Vega 20 dGPU
- Windows 10 (& MacOS (not using with eGPU))

eGPU hardware (eGPU enclosure, video card, any third-party TB3 cable, any custom mods)

- Akitio Node Pro (with metal shield removed to fit EVGA 3-slot card)
- EVGA RTX 2080 Ti FTW3
- External Display (LG 27UD68)

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Installation steps (what did you do to get it all going?)

EVGA changed their graphic card design this year with the RTX 20 series cards to have 3-slot wide on all their cards with more than 2-slot wide cooler. 


I purchased a FTW3 and a Razer Core X without worrying too much about compatibility as the length of the card is only 301.925mm (1.89in) according to EVGA. However, although Razer Core X does fit cards with 3-slot wide coolers, they did not leave enough space for the 3-slot bracket. The card can be put into the PCI-E slot in an angle but the bracket will not mount with the screws. I almost destroyed the PCI-E fingers trying to get the card to fit.

No other enclosure on the market officially supports 3-slot bracket and people had to do significant modification to fit EVGA's 2-slot bracket (designed for waterblock only) on the 3-slot card. However, thanks to itsage's awesome review and disassembly pictures ( https://egpu.io/akitio-node-pro-review-jack-of-all-trades/), Akitio Node Pro not only has the same mounting design (mount inside of the box instead of outside like a Sonnet Breakbox) that allows the bracket to extend over 2 slots, but itsage also mentioned that the Node Pro has a lot more enough room left even after installing a 2.5 slot card. So I bought one.

However, the metal shield that covers the PCI-E slot board also covers the space to put the 3rd leg of the 3-slot bracket. So I had to remove the shield and basically have the PCB hanging on top of the bottom stand-offs as well as the tension of the 2 PCI-E slots (one for the thunderbolt 3 board and one for the graphic card)

Thanks to guide from Yukikaze ( https://egpu.io/forums/psu-cables/akitio-node-pro-power-supply-replacement-guide/), taking the enclosure apart was very easy.

Once the card is secured by the 2 screws on the bracket, the entire thing only wiggles a little bit. I might end up buying some bolts to actually screw in the stand-offs so the far side of the PCB is secured.

Not going to go into details about setting up the software side as there are plenty guides on how to get bootcamp working with Nvidia GPUs. Even EVGA Precision X1 works!


Benchmarks 
(Include a CUDA-Z or AIDA64 bandwidth pic. Optional: Valley, 3dmark, noting if it's on internal/external LCD )

All benchmarks done in Boot Camp Windows 10 1809 with Nvidia Driver 417.35 using external monitor

Synthetic:

Games:
World of Warships (The game I play the most. I could only get 40fps without AA on the desktop with AMD Fury X I had, now it's hitting 60-70fps with everything to max)

Comments (eg: how has the eGPU improved your workflow or gaming)

4K 60fps used to be just a dream, and I never dare to have the thought about having a laptop that does 7-hour without charging on the go and can game at 4K 60fps at home. Not a smooth experience having to go through all the stuff above, the result is well worth it. Hopefully some company can make a 3-slot compatible enclosure soon that is as well built as the Node Pro but with 100w charging and 650w PSU like the Razer Core X.

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OliverB
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@rubycrow, thank you for your post. Please post some benchmarks from your system. Gaming as well as synthetics. Thank you.

Opinion: 4k60 FPS can be achieved with ta GTX1080Ti, too, and it's much better supported, especially you have possibilities under MacOSX, too.

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AIDA64 GPGPU benchmark somehow won't show my 2080 Ti so I don't have that yet.

I have a slow internet and this is new set up and I don't actually play the big titles that are usually used as benchmarks. I will post CS:GO and World of Warships/World of Tanks FPS shortly but I doubt that means anything.

For 4K 60fps, I don't have a G-Sync monitor as I came from an AMD card. From what I've seen, 1080 Ti can only do on avg 58fps on ultra which is not 60fps for my use case. However, 2080 ti can do 75fps in a desktop so 2080 Ti is the only true 4k 60fps especially in an eGPU.

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Posted by: rubycrow

 

For 4K 60fps, I don't have a G-Sync monitor as I came from an AMD card. From what I've seen, 1080 Ti can only do on avg 58fps on ultra which is not 60fps for my use case. However, 2080 ti can do 75fps in a desktop so 2080 Ti is the only true 4k 60fps especially in an eGPU.

Which game are you talking about?

I can assure you with 100% guarantee, that on settings where you get 58FPS with the GTX1080Ti, you will never get 75FPS with the 2080Ti. Of course, we are talking about eGPU Setups. I have tested both cards for weeks, have a look at my particular builds!

2018 15" MBP & 2015 13" MBP connected to RTX2080Ti GTX1080Ti GTX1080 Vega56 RX580 R9-290 GTX680


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@Jyin According to EVGA staff, the 2-slot bracket is intended for the HydroCopper water block only and will not fit any of the 3-slot cooler unless you bend or cut the lip.
https://forums.evga.com/Anyone-using-the-2slot-bracket-with-the-FTW3-m2886294.aspx

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@OliverB 
You can see that on most of the games tested, even on a desktop setup, the 1080 Ti is barely making 4k 60fps which makes eGPU 4k 60fps impossible. However, 2080 Ti has a 5-10fps room above 60. I am also getting  12 033 (70fps) in Time Spy compared to your 8866 on your 1080 Ti.

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Posted by: rubycrow

@OliverB 
You can see that on most of the games tested, even on a desktop setup, the 1080 Ti is barely making 4k 60fps which makes eGPU 4k 60fps impossible. However, 2080 Ti has a 5-10fps room above 60. I am also getting  12 033 (70fps) in Time Spy compared to your 8866 on your 1080 Ti.

You are comparing apples with pears. First, the video has little to do with eGPU performances, it's made with a desktop computer. Then  why would you compare *your* TimeSpy Score with *my* TimeSpy score? Of course you have to compare the GPU with with
1) Same game
2) Same computer
3) Same eGPU enclosure.
4) Same settings.

Finally TimeSpy is a most synthetic benchmark and has little to do with the real world.

PS: How old are you, if I may ask?
PPS: You haven't answered to my question, to which game you are referring that the GTX1080Ti makes 58FPS while the RTX2080Ti makes 75FPS on a eGPU setup?

2018 15" MBP & 2015 13" MBP connected to RTX2080Ti GTX1080Ti GTX1080 Vega56 RX580 R9-290 GTX680


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Talking about synthetic benchmarks, you may be interested in the GTX1080Ti benchmarks of Unigine Valley Extreme HD, the RTX2080Ti Score is hardly better:

ValleyWin10GTX1080TiDX11

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Posted by: OliverB
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@OliverB 
You can see that on most of the games tested, even on a desktop setup, the 1080 Ti is barely making 4k 60fps which makes eGPU 4k 60fps impossible. However, 2080 Ti has a 5-10fps room above 60. I am also getting  12 033 (70fps) in Time Spy compared to your 8866 on your 1080 Ti.

You are comparing apples with pears. First, the video has little to do with eGPU performances, it's made with a desktop computer. Then  why would you compare *your* TimeSpy Score with *my* TimeSpy score? Of course you have to compare the GPU with with
1) Same game
2) Same computer
3) Same eGPU enclosure.
4) Same settings.

Finally TimeSpy is a most synthetic benchmark and has little to do with the real world.

PS: How old are you, if I may ask?
PPS: You haven't answered to my question, to which game you are referring that the GTX1080Ti makes 58FPS while the RTX2080Ti makes 75FPS on a eGPU setup?

I am not sure what have triggered you into even asking my age. I am 29 just in case you are wondering.
I did not intend to argue with you on anything, and I didn't even care about benchmarking and mentioned my reason in the original post. You asked where I based my comment on and I sent you the information I had that made me into coming to my own conclusion. You said 1080 Ti perform the same so I ran Time Spy and mentioned the difference. You mentioned Time Spy is not a good benchmark so I ran Valley but you did not post a 4k result for me to compare. The 1080p result really means nothing to me as I know cpu/thunderbolt bottlenecks in high fps even more and has nothing to do with my intended usage. I know you are a well established member here, if the community is like what you have demonstrated, I am start to wondering why I spent the time making the post letting people know how to fit a 3-slot card into an enclosure.

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And now you are just asking an impossible question for me to answer. I never said I know there is a game that will run 58 fps on 1080 Ti and 75 fps on 2080 Ti and I won't be able to answer as I don't own a 1080 Ti. I said from the benchmark I saw (aka the YouTube video I sent you), 1080 Ti on average is 10-20 frames slower than a RTX 2080 Ti which makes a 1080 Ti not hitting the 60fps mark while 2080 Ti exceeding that mark based on the rough 20% performance drop in eGPU.

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Do you have a video/link where games are being compared between GTX1080Ti and RTX2080Ti in a eGPU setup (not Desktop)?

PS: Your setup is super-interesting, that's why I am very curious about it in details.

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Posted by: OliverB

Do you have a video/link where games are being compared between GTX1080Ti and RTX2080Ti in a eGPU setup (not Desktop)?

PS: Your setup is super-interesting, that's why I am very curious about it in details.

Unfortunately I do not. My decisions to make this build and assumptions mentioned earlier were all based on desktop benchmark results I saw from YouTube videos and other tech sites.

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Posted by: rubycrow
Posted by: OliverB

Do you have a video/link where games are being compared between GTX1080Ti and RTX2080Ti in a eGPU setup (not Desktop)?

PS: Your setup is super-interesting, that's why I am very curious about it in details.

Unfortunately I do not. My decisions to make this build and assumptions mentioned earlier were all based on desktop benchmark results I saw from YouTube videos and other tech sites.

It's a pity that there is very little to find about eGPU Benchmarks. eGPUs perform really quite well for 60FPS compared to desktops.

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Posted by: OliverB
Posted by: rubycrow
Posted by: OliverB

Do you have a video/link where games are being compared between GTX1080Ti and RTX2080Ti in a eGPU setup (not Desktop)?

PS: Your setup is super-interesting, that's why I am very curious about it in details.

Unfortunately I do not. My decisions to make this build and assumptions mentioned earlier were all based on desktop benchmark results I saw from YouTube videos and other tech sites.

It's a pity that there is very little to find about eGPU Benchmarks. eGPUs perform really quite well for 60FPS compared to desktops.

Absolutely, and thank you for your contribution to the community. Without people like you and itsage and other members who dedicate time to inform people about eGPU, I would probably still be struggling with fitting a desktop in my suitcase when I travel. Please keep up the good work.

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@rubycrow @OliverB, I found also on some games like Battlefront 2 and destiny 2, GTA V FPS in 4K is significantly different between rtx2080ti 1080ti, similar with desktop setting around 30% different, on Battlefront 2 is similar with desktop 2080ti FPS. I tried all RTX cards, and for my setting, the best value for the price for performance was actually 1080ti if I get it again for €650 new which is impossible here. €520 rtx2070 that now I’m using is great value as it can mostly play 1440p with respectable FPS, I play even on some titles like AC Odyssey and FIFA in ultrawide 5xxxp x 1440p on dual monitor nvidia surrounds that take advantage on that viewing mode.
Rtx cards if comparing to similar raw performance like 2080 to 1080ti, will take advantages on dx12 titles, it can be proofed from timespy, dx12 it’s benchmarks tool.
From timespy score above I can only say there’s cpu bottleneck happens or thermal throttling that made i9 physical score lower than my 8750H on MacBook Pro 15 2018, I think 8850H should also perform better than lower clocked 8750H. 
Here some 3Dmark timespy comparison and mrsp or price I bought without discount from store or amazon.
8750H Asus Turbo 2080ti €1169
8750H evga xc 2080 €890
 8750H evga Black 2070 €520
7700HQ Evga 1080 ftw2 €550
8750H Zotac Mini 1080ti €650
 Unless 4K is your only aimed resolution, rtx2070 is actually great value for its performance on 1440p. I saw even other cheaper brands lower the 2070 price to under €500 recently, OC gpu version may be higher but on egpu setting with limited PSU like on my core v2, I can’t anyway get OC value as well as desktop setting.

Razer Blade 15 2018, i7 8750H 16gb ddr4 2666mhz 1tb 970Evo
Razer Blade Stealth 12,5 2016 i7 7500U 8gb ddr3 1866mhz 500gb 970Evo
MacBook Pro 13 mid 2012 i5 3210M 12gb ddr3 1600mhz 500GB HDD
Razer Core V2 rtx 2070 Black 2040mhz Boost clock
Previous setting: rtx 2080ti Asus Turbo, rtx 2080 xc gaming, rtx 2080 Fe, Zotac Mini 1080ti, Evga 1080 FTW2 gaming.
Dual Monitor Predator XB241YU 165Hz 1440p, LG l24UD58 60Hz 4K
Portable Monitor Magedok 1440p HDR 60Hz usbA/C monitor


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@Joikansai Thank you very much for sharing. I am totally aware that the 1080 Ti has way better value than 2080 Ti as majority of Youtube tech reviewers been suggesting that 2080 Ti's performance gain is not significant enough for the cost increase. However, unfortunately, 1080 Ti is impossible to find brand new with reasonable cost anymore in the US, and majority of the used market came from crypto mining. Not that I think mining will do that much on the card as most people believe, most company do not provide warranty if the proof of original purchase is lost. So I ended up getting an 2080 Ti because EVGA had them back in stock under their MSRP.

Yes. Looks like the i9 thermal problem was never fixed by Apple and the Macbook Pro thermal design is indeed not enough for the boost clock. I only got the i9 model thinking it may bottle neck the GPU less due to the higher base clock, but I guess I am wrong on this one.

I also completely agreed that due to the bottleneck around thuenderbolt 3, RTX 2070 is the best valued 20 series card hands down (TBH, compared to 10 series card, the entire 20 series is not that well priced, I believe may be a 1070 Ti is even better for its value). However, the last graphic card I had was an AMD Fury X, a 2070 / 1070 Ti really does not post much of an upgrade compared to that card, especially in 4K.

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Posted by: Joikansai

@rubycrow @OliverB, I found also on some games like Battlefront 2 and destiny 2, GTA V FPS in 4K is significantly different between rtx2080ti 1080ti, similar with desktop setting around 30% different, on Battlefront 2 is similar with desktop 2080ti FPS. 

@Joikansai, That's not the same result I had with both cards. There is gain was only about 10%, you can lookup these results here:
https://egpu.io/forums/builds/2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-rtx2080ti32gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro-macos10-13-6-win10-oliverb

The only significant differences were in the synthetic DirectX 12 benchmarks (TimeSpy and Superposition). In the "real world", that means current Direct11 games there is hardly any difference. Some games very even worse. This problem was not only bound to games, the most important application for me is the encoding of videos with HEVC codec. There the GTX1080Ti is better, too. I get 650 FPS encoding a 720p video with the GTX1080Ti, while the RTX2080Ti can do about 550FPS.

That was quite disappointing and I returned the RTX2080Ti

It's very possible that in the future there will more games that support DirectX 12 or even DLSS and Raytracing the value gets better. But now, this doesn't seem to be true for eGPU setups.

 

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Posted by: rubycrow

@Jyin According to EVGA staff, the 2-slot bracket is intended for the HydroCopper water block only and will not fit any of the 3-slot cooler unless you bend or cut the lip.
https://forums.evga.com/Anyone-using-the-2slot-bracket-with-the-FTW3-m2886294.aspx

Interesting.
The web site claims otherwise.

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@Jyin According to EVGA staff, the 2-slot bracket is intended for the HydroCopper water block only and will not fit any of the 3-slot cooler unless you bend or cut the lip.
https://forums.evga.com/Anyone-using-the-2slot-bracket-with-the-FTW3-m2886294.aspx

Interesting.
The web site claims otherwise.

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If you check out the link you will see multiple people bought 2-slot bracket thinking exactly the same. According to EVGA, the bracket is indeed compatible with FTW3 but only after installing the Hydro Copper water block.

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AIDA64 GPGPU benchmark somehow won't show my 2080 Ti so I don't have that yet.

I have a slow internet and this is new set up and I don't actually play the big titles that are usually used as benchmarks. I will post CS:GO and World of Warships/World of Tanks FPS shortly but I doubt that means anything.

For 4K 60fps, I don't have a G-Sync monitor as I came from an AMD card. From what I've seen, 1080 Ti can only do on avg 58fps on ultra which is not 60fps for my use case. However, 2080 ti can do 75fps in a desktop so 2080 Ti is the only true 4k 60fps especially in an eGPU.

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@rubycrow, this one is the same effect as I have with newer nVidia drivers and my GTX1080Ti:

https://egpu.io/forums/pc-setup/so-nvidia-did-remove-opencl-from-the-newest-drivers-why/#post-50953

It looks as though it hits (again) the AMD dGPUs :// Try an nvidia driver not newer than 416.34!

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Posted by: rubycrow

AIDA64 GPGPU benchmark somehow won't show my 2080 Ti so I don't have that yet.

I have a slow internet and this is new set up and I don't actually play the big titles that are usually used as benchmarks. I will post CS:GO and World of Warships/World of Tanks FPS shortly but I doubt that means anything.

For 4K 60fps, I don't have a G-Sync monitor as I came from an AMD card. From what I've seen, 1080 Ti can only do on avg 58fps on ultra which is not 60fps for my use case. However, 2080 ti can do 75fps in a desktop so 2080 Ti is the only true 4k 60fps especially in an eGPU.

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@rubycrow, You are not alone with the problem that there is no OpenCL for newer nVidai drivers:

OpenCL problems with newer nVidia drivers.

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I have the node pro also. I actually removed the GPU bracket from the GPU and used a twist tie to hold the card tight. Not ideal and I wouldn’t transport the box in that state. 

Your solution is much better. I’ve been inside the case twice to replace the PSU twice. So getting there won’t be an issue.

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