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@eightarmedpet

Any TB3 Windows notebook would also do. Most of my close friends seem to have 2018 models too. Anyway, it's not an urgent problem, just a slight annoyance.

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@mac_editor quick question, did you install windows on your macbook with bootcamp on catalina? or did you already have windows on it when you had Mojave?

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No change in H2D speeds (see Update 4 in main post). Tried a few things but couldn’t get the firmware update going on my system. For now, I’m busy with some other stuff so will get back to addressing this issue later. 

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@Mac_editor thats super odd, and I winder why mine is different? And whether I should try and change firmware...  do keep me posted on any updates! I'm currently trying to sell my 5K finally.

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Can you both get the Firmware version number of your Mantiz Venus in macOS System Information > Thunderbolt? I will check mine later today to compare. I believe it’s running the firmware released in July 2017.

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@eightarmedpet

Yes, its very odd to see different H2D with same firmware version.

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In the generic firmware upgrade tool, I rarely ever got to the point of the enclosure being detected. The Thunderbolt drivers (16x or 17x) have a very hard time detecting the enclosure. Even when I somehow got detection in Windows, the utility would fail to flash anyway (SDK_UNKNOWN_CHIP).

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@mac_editor Does CL!ng show the same low H2D in macOS similar to AIDA64 in Windows?

 

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Will do, will have to be tomorrow though, but would be great to try and get to the bottom of this... 

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@itsage I don't have AIDA64 full version. Here's Cl!ng results:

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@mac_editor I went through all the builds with a Mantiz Venus and found only two other instances with low H2D speed. They were both 2017 15″ MacBook Pro. Here’s one by @Lacin and the other by @Rycco. They were prior to the release of the new firmware however. I can’t imagine two units you received were running older firmware. If you have access to another Thunderbolt 3 computer that would be great to determine whether it’s the enclosure firmware issue.

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Appreciate the effort! Thank you. I am not really sure what is going on here. I also tested bandwidth without any peripherals and SATA drive connected - same dice. Is your firmware version 25.1 as well? If so, this is a complicated situation of two different versions labeled the same. I noted that some Mantiz builds did not test bandwidth. Mantiz support isn't helpful if they say firmware cannot be upgraded on 2018 MBP (why can I upgrade an Aorus then). I mean if you know your software doesn't work on the 2018 MBP, get it working (in unofficial capacity just as with 2016-17 MBP). I will try with a friend's 2018 MBP and see what results I get on their system. 

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Here we go chaps... Firmware info and Cling screenshots... no idea why we are getting different results with the same Firmware? The only difference I'm spotting so far is my cable has a firmware version..
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@eightarmedpet

Guess I’ll give a different TB cable a try just to see if there’s any difference and report back. Oddly enough, your H2D speed is also not in the 22xx range. What’s with these firmwares. Different product batches have different bandwidths or what.

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I will run CL!ng later tonight with my Mantiz Venus and report back. H2D would show 2,2XX or 2,5XX in Windows depending on Windows 10 OS Builds. I wish Intel shared more information and resources to switch firmware based on user needs.

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@itsage

is there a similar app for W10? I will check in Windows too if so...


Argh. Just booted in windows to test and it’s corrupted again. 

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GTX1070 + Sonnet Breakaway Box + Win10
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@eightarmedpet Sorry to hear about the Win10 1903 headache with the 2017 13″ MacBook Pro. I use AIDA64 in Windows to get the H2D bandwidth reading. 

 

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@itsage

Every bloody time I connect a display directly, quite odd. Have bumped my respective build with latest findings and hassles. I hate windows. 

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The firmware version on mine is also 25.1 but the bandwidth is the expected values.

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Well sh!t. At least have different firmware versions for different speeds. In this thread alone we have 3 Mantiz enclosures, 3 different H2D speeds, and the same firmware version. Just great. Who knows what other people have.

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If the firmwares aren't encrypted, and they all have the same version, then maybe there's just a couple bytes responsible for H2D speed. A binary compare might be interesting.

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@eightarmedpet do you not feel the Mantiz PSU is a bit too loud (update #5 in OP)?

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@mac_editor to be honest no, I was expecting both the fan and the psu to be loud And was going to swap them out but don’t feel they actually are. I could try and record it in operation for comparison if you’d like? Both my reference Vega and MacBook are way louder under load. I should prob buy a new non reference Vega.

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@eightarmedpet

Forgot to mention, I meant at idle. How’s it at idle for you?

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@mac_editor Oh aye, assumed you meant at idle. I’ll run some unscientific tests for you tomo if of interest?

 

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@eightarmedpet

Just wanted your thoughts on how loud it is at idle when you’re sitting say beside it. I just have a feeling that my previous unit was less noisy, or I simply did not notice it then. 

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@mac_editor Coming from a Razer core it’s defo quieter by a long shot  it’s hard to compare to my sonnet as that was in a different house.  I barely notice (if at all) the enclosure noise, my Vega 56, even when idle is way louder than anything else.

 

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Cool. Whenever Apple starts supporting Navi, I definitely will switch to some non-reference model.

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Posted by: @mac_editor

@eightarmedpet do you not feel the Mantiz PSU is a bit too loud (update #5 in OP)?

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Actually, the Mantiz was always my favorite before buying an eGPU enclosure. The reports about the noise avoided my buy. That's why I have got the super silent Asus XG Station Pro, always with 22xx or 25xx bandwidth.
Only hindrance: Two cables. Is it worth having two cables for this quality? Yes.

I have an important question about your experience to boot with eGPU and internal display working nevertheless: Do you know what causes this (fantastic) feature? 

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Two cables. Is it worth having two cables for this quality? Yes.

@oliverb I had all my TB ports in use pre-Mantiz - now I have 3 free. So makes a big difference to me.

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I have an important question about your experience to boot with eGPU and internal display working nevertheless: Do you know what causes this (fantastic) feature? 

Could be any combination of all of the following:

  • macOS Catalina firmware
  • Windows 1903 (18362.295)
  • Bootcampdrivers August edition

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Two cables. Is it worth having two cables for this quality? Yes.

@oliverb I had all my TB ports in use pre-Mantiz - now I have 3 free. So makes a big difference to me.

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This is strange, I have an Asus XG Station Pro and I have two TB3 Ports always free. Exactly the two of the right side are occupied. Keep in mind that the Asus XG Station Pro has a full 10 Gbit USB-C Port which I think is more powerful than all those Mantiz-Ports. I stick a USB-C Hub into it.

Here is a picture of my configuration:, as you can see, the two left TB3 Ports are both free.

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Only real drawback is the fact that there not enough power supply for a notebook, so there has to be this second power cable (white). For this you get perfect silence.

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I have an important question about your experience to boot with eGPU and internal display working nevertheless: Do you know what causes this (fantastic) feature? 

Could be any combination of all of the following:

  • macOS Catalina firmware
  • Windows 1903 (18362.295)
  • Bootcampdrivers August edition

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Is this reproducible on other systems, too? What about nVidia cards? Are there other reports of it? It would be interested to change one or two of those settings in order to find out which one does the difference.
I need to update my system, but wanted to go to Mojave first. Is there any drawback for eGPU users with Catalina?

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Posted by: @oliverb

I have two TB3 Ports always free.

I have more peripherals. The extra ports on the Mantiz help, and the internal SSD helps. 5 USB-A ports is better than 1 USB-C port for me (ultimately I’m using 1 TB port on the Mac). With the XG, I would have to use a dongle with its USB-C port for my peripherals any way. I used egpu in the same way as you with the Sonnet (two wires), but then had to use a dongle on my MBP for the other peripherals. Now I have a couple extra USB-A on the Mantiz in case I need them, along with more TB3 ports. 

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I have two TB3 Ports always free.

I have more peripherals. 

@mac_editor, I think you cannot say this. 🙂
How many peripherals do you think I have attached to the system? Hint: The USB-C Dongle is not visible on the picture, only a part of the cable connected to the XG Station.

PS: I should take a picture of all my peripherals connected... But sure they are more than 24, while connecting them at once is fun, but not reasonable.

Let's see:
2 USB SSD Disks
About 10 USB Flash Drives
A couple of USB Headsets
1 USB SD-Cardreader
2 USB Mouses
1 USB Keyboard
1 USB Smart Cardreader
Ethernet Lan
1 UBS Flashlight
3 Digital cameras
2 Garmin GPS
7 USB Hubs(Dongles)
etc..etc..etc.. There are more in boxes and let us not forget those of my wife. 🙂 E.g., a fitness bracelet of her comes to my mind.

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Haha yep I don't have close to that many! End result is the same though, you have 2 TB ports free, I have 3.

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Is this reproducible on other systems, too? What about nVidia cards? Are there other reports of it?

I'm not sure. I haven't tested with NVIDIA GPUs and I believe there was someone else who mentioned a similar experience on the eGPU subreddit IIRC.

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