2018 15" MacBook Pro RP560X + [email protected] (Asus XG Station Pro) + macOS10.13.6 & Win10 [OliverB]  

  RSS

OliverB
(@oliverb)
Estimable Member
Joined: 2 months ago
Posts: 206
December 3, 2018 11:29 pm  

System specs

-MacBook Pro 15 inch 2018, i7-8850 6-core, 32GB Ram, 1TB SSD
-iGpu Intel UHD Graphics 630
-dGpu AMD Radeon Pro 560X
-External Monitor Samsung 2560x1440
-Mac OSX 10.13.6
-Windows 10 Build 1803 Bootcamp

 

eGPU hardware

Asus XG Station Pro
Asus GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Dual OG11


Hardware pictures

 

Installation steps

MacOSX:
Didn't bother as there are no drivers for the RTX Series (Turing Chip).

Windows (Recommended Windows 10 Build 1803)
There was nothing to do, because the Geforce GTX 1080 Ti was running on the windows with the latest nVidia driver, which support the RTX series, too.


Benchmarks

1) Synthetic Benchmarks

   GTX 1080 Ti RTX 2080 Ti
Superposition 1440 Extreme

Valley 1080 Extreme HD

2) Built-In Game Benchmarks

Resolution 1440p, Settings Ultra/Extreme  GTX 1080 Ti RTX 2080 Ti
Far Cry 5

Forza Horizon 4

Shadow of the Tomb Raider


Comments

- Only in synthetic benchmarks the expected performance difference between the RTX 2080 Ti and GTX 1080 Ti  can be seen. For Games the difference is not that big.
- The RTX 2080 Ti USB-C port can be used for any USB-C devices Gen 2.
- It is not advisable to run a 2,7slots card with the Asus XG Station Pro closed. It fits, but because temperature increases and performance drops. (Valley 51xx instead of 56xx)

macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-asus-xg-station-pro-evga-gtx-1080-ti
2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-rtx2080ti32gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-gtx1080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-rtx2080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-vega5632gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro
macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-razer-core-x-evga-gtx-1080-ti-2
macbook-pro-15inch-2018-aorus-gaming-box-gtx1080


Joikansai and chinsteig liked
ReplyQuote
OliverB
(@oliverb)
Estimable Member
Joined: 2 months ago
Posts: 206
December 3, 2018 11:56 pm  

I made a full test set for gaming benchmark performance comparison between GTX1080 Ti und RTX 2080Ti. The setting as always:
-1440p
-Highest/Ultra/Extreme
- Number are FPS

As you can see the RTX 2080 Ti does not outperform the GTX 1080 Ti clearly. At least not in this eGPU Setup. In some benchmarks even the GTX 1080 Ti performs better,

The average performance is 90.4 FPS for the 1080 Ti and 97.3 FPS for the 2080 Ti which is merely an increase of under 10%.

 

  GTX 1080 Ti RTX 2080 Ti
World of Tanks 127 150
Resident Evil 6 128 126
Tomb Raider 150 172
Rise of the Tomb Raider 88 91
Shadow of the Tomb Raider 67 74
Far Cry Primal 78 87
Far Cry 5 73 83
Batham Arkham Origin 76 74
Hitman Absolution 108 102
Deus Ex Mankind Divided 45 50
Grand Theft Auto V 78 77
Forza Horizon 4 67 72
------------------------------- ------------------------------- -------------------------------
Average FPS 90.4 97.3
 
 

macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-asus-xg-station-pro-evga-gtx-1080-ti
2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-rtx2080ti32gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-gtx1080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-rtx2080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-vega5632gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro
macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-razer-core-x-evga-gtx-1080-ti-2
macbook-pro-15inch-2018-aorus-gaming-box-gtx1080


ReplyQuote
OliverB
(@oliverb)
Estimable Member
Joined: 2 months ago
Posts: 206
December 4, 2018 12:33 am  

There is some potential for overclocking of the RTX2080Ti as I could quite easily get some performance boost by just increasing some values. It is no sophisticated stuff as I am no expert in it and don't want to overclock other than for this analysis. It's much more difficult to overclock the GTX1080Ti, it looks like this is alreay optimized. This may be one reason for the little performance advantage of the RTX2080Ti.

   RTX 2080 Ti RTX 2080 Ti OC
Valley 1080p ExtremeHD

macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-asus-xg-station-pro-evga-gtx-1080-ti
2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-rtx2080ti32gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-gtx1080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-rtx2080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-vega5632gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro
macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-razer-core-x-evga-gtx-1080-ti-2
macbook-pro-15inch-2018-aorus-gaming-box-gtx1080


ReplyQuote
Joikansai
(@joi_kansai)
Trusted Member
Joined: 10 months ago
Posts: 94
December 4, 2018 3:32 am  

On Shadow of the tomb Raider I turn off AA to bumps the FPS, I didn’t play on 1440p but 4K though. And I think on GTA V you should get higher FPS on 1440p, when I’m not wrong I got around  100fps 4K default setting on 2080ti. How about the host laptop, MacBook Pro cpu thermal? Can you upload also Firestrike or timespy, normal one? That would be great.

Soon I will add my system & eGPU details or a build link to this my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
OliverB
(@oliverb)
Estimable Member
Joined: 2 months ago
Posts: 206
December 4, 2018 9:33 am  

@joi_kansai, yes I know the AntiAliasing settings tear down the performance, but I have them on for every benchmark. In GTA V there are some sophisticated settings set to maximum, which are surely not needed, they are only for easier comparison. Don't take the absolut number too serious, both cards easily can do 100 FPS in GTA V.

Of course, I have some screenshots for you (Screenshots for the GTX 1080 Ti come later).

 

  GTX 1080 Ti RTX 2080 Ti
Time Spy

Time Spy Extreme

Fire Strike

Fire Strike Ultra

 

 

macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-asus-xg-station-pro-evga-gtx-1080-ti
2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-rtx2080ti32gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-gtx1080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-rtx2080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-vega5632gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro
macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-razer-core-x-evga-gtx-1080-ti-2
macbook-pro-15inch-2018-aorus-gaming-box-gtx1080


Joikansai liked
ReplyQuote
Eightarmedpet
(@eightarmedpet)
Noble Member
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 1133

ReplyQuote
nando4
(@nando4)
Noble Member Admin
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 1815
December 4, 2018 1:02 pm  

@OliverB, kindly please add some FHD Forza Horizon 4 benchmarks with your RTX 2080Ti and GTX 1080Ti here for comparison purposes:

https://egpu.io/forums/pc-gaming/forza-4-benchmarks/

eGPU Setup 1.35    •    eGPU Port Bandwidth Reference Table    •    Several builds
2015 15" Dell Precision 7510 M1000M + macOS 10.14 & Win10


ReplyQuote
OliverB
(@oliverb)
Estimable Member
Joined: 2 months ago
Posts: 206
December 4, 2018 1:17 pm  

@eightarmedpet, This depends a lot of the application. If you have an application which almost only stresses the eGPU the differences are not that big. You can see this here with Superposition:
https://egpu.io/forums/psu-cables/analysis-how-much-is-the-bandwith-limiting-the-performance-a-comparison-between-tb3-and-tb2-between-external-and-internal-display/
As games always use some CPU there is more difference, e.g. Forza Horizon 4 had 72 FPS on the 15inch MPB 2018, while 50 FPS on the 13inch MPB 2015.

@nando4, Unfortunately I have just sent back my RTX 2080 Ti as I want to keep the GTX 1080 Ti. I have a set of 1440p Results for the RTX 2080 Ti, including TB2/TB3, internal and external display, but no other resolution.

I can and will do some benchmarks for the GTX 1080 Ti in FHD, if you want.

macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-asus-xg-station-pro-evga-gtx-1080-ti
2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-rtx2080ti32gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-gtx1080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-rtx2080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-vega5632gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro
macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-razer-core-x-evga-gtx-1080-ti-2
macbook-pro-15inch-2018-aorus-gaming-box-gtx1080


ReplyQuote
Eightarmedpet
(@eightarmedpet)
Noble Member
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 1133
December 4, 2018 1:29 pm  

@oliverb cheers for the reply and the info, I'm just talking about gaming performance, so that example is super interesting as its quite the jump... I imagine 50% or it may have been down to generation improvements and the other 50% core increase, maybe...

2017 13" MacBook Pro Touchbar + [email protected] (AKiTiO Thunder3) + Win10
2017 13" MacBook Pro Touch Bar + [email protected] (Sonnet Breakaway Box) + Win10

2017 13" MacBook Pro Touch Bar + GTX1070 (debating 2070 upgrade) @32Gbps-TB3 (Razer Core V1) + Win10

2017 13" MacBook Pro Touch Bar + Vega 56 @32Gbps-TB3 (Razer Core V1) + Win10 & macOS 10.14+

---
LG 5K Ultrafine flickering issue fix


ReplyQuote
Joikansai
(@joi_kansai)
Trusted Member
Joined: 10 months ago
Posts: 94
December 4, 2018 2:43 pm  

@OliverB thanks for 3Dmark. As expected great graphics performance from MacBook Pro TB3 connection, but I noticed some cpu throttle there, idk if it’s power limit or thermal one,  it’s known issue on MacBook Pro due minimalist cooling room. On other side my Blade 15 with lower cpu clock, 8750H get better cpu performance due huge cooling vapor chamber but due TB3 that isn’t directly to cpu I believe, Graphics performance is lame, but seemly this has also benefit lower cpu temperature (my guess) on egpu setting.
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/4541020
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/16524814
I’m also on same boat returned my 2080ti, but kind miss 4K performance on some games like SoTR, 2080 aka 1080ti still laggy on some scenes.

Soon I will add my system & eGPU details or a build link to this my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
OliverB
(@oliverb)
Estimable Member
Joined: 2 months ago
Posts: 206
December 5, 2018 11:43 pm  

I compared my benchmark with some Desktop Benchmarks of GTX 1080 Ti and RTX 2080 Ti and there are some differences -only for the RTX 2080 Ti. My GTX 1080 Ti peformas almost as good as benchmark tests, while the RTX 2080 Ti is clearly worse than the desktop version.

What do you think why this is the case?

macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-asus-xg-station-pro-evga-gtx-1080-ti
2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-rtx2080ti32gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-gtx1080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-rtx2080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-vega5632gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro
macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-razer-core-x-evga-gtx-1080-ti-2
macbook-pro-15inch-2018-aorus-gaming-box-gtx1080


ReplyQuote
Enky_bubu
(@enky_bubu)
Active Member
Joined: 1 month ago
Posts: 12
December 5, 2018 11:45 pm  

Thanks for posting the build. Great setup.

CPU performance seems to be much better on  (Your) 2018 MBP (15") (I7-7920HQ 4-core) vs (My) 2017 MBP (15") ( i7-8850 6-core) comparing CPU scores from Timespy benchmarks

     (3955)  vs  (5495)
      (2017)  vs  (2018)
(I7-7920HQ 4-core)  vs  ( i7-8850 6-core)

Also I've noted on my MBP thermals are much better at full CPU/eGPU load at around 75C, using dGPU used to be in the 90Cs. Do you see a similar stark temp reduction on the 2018 using the egpu?

-Macbook Pro mid 2017 15"
-Razer Core X
-RTX 2080 (MSI Gaming X Trio)
-ROG PG279Q


ReplyQuote
OliverB
(@oliverb)
Estimable Member
Joined: 2 months ago
Posts: 206
December 6, 2018 2:15 am  

@enky_bubu, the CPU Score in those 3DMark Tests vary a lot. I have added some (old) test with the GTX1080Ti and there is was only 4600. Perhaps the GPU plays a factor, I have to redo the tests soon.

Yes, actually before having the eGPU I had been doing all things with the dGPU and this brought the notebook to scream (fans). This is much better since having the eGPU. It was actually the main reason to get one, because the RP560X is not a bad gpu, you can do anything with it, if you lower the details, but for the cost of a lot of noise and heat.

macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-asus-xg-station-pro-evga-gtx-1080-ti
2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-rtx2080ti32gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-gtx1080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-rtx2080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-vega5632gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro
macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-razer-core-x-evga-gtx-1080-ti-2
macbook-pro-15inch-2018-aorus-gaming-box-gtx1080


ReplyQuote
Joikansai
(@joi_kansai)
Trusted Member
Joined: 10 months ago
Posts: 94
December 6, 2018 4:36 am  
Posted by: OliverB

I compared my benchmark with some Desktop Benchmarks of GTX 1080 Ti and RTX 2080 Ti and there are some differences -only for the RTX 2080 Ti. My GTX 1080 Ti peformas almost as good as benchmark tests, while the RTX 2080 Ti is clearly worse than the desktop version.

What do you think why this is the case?

@OliverB, on 1440p and 1080p TB3 egpu bottleneck is bigger than 4K, pretty similar with comparison between 2080ti vs 1080ti on desktop, 2080ti 4K take better performance % over other lower resolution when I’m not wrong. 1080ti is 2 years old gpu so in term optimization it’s also better. I think with driver optimization the FPS may go better and better, especially on game fps, game developers and nvidia works is on the way imo, like BFV, heard latest nvidia driver bumps almost 50% FPS on dxr (dx12 Ray Tracing) performance, idk on dx11 I’ll take a look later.
On 1080ti and rtx2080ti I was only taking 4K benchmarks, since it was my purpose on egpu setting that could not be done on my laptop dGPU. 1070 maxq dGPU on it can run pretty well 1440p with less stutter compared my eGPU setting, despite open world 100~fps, 60 FPS g sync is enough to me. I always take FPS comparison on notebookcheck, I didn’t check on all my games FPS but noticed Battlefront 2, SoTR has pretty similar performance on 4K highest egpu both 1080ti and 2080ti.

Soon I will add my system & eGPU details or a build link to this my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
Goose
(@goose)
New Member
Joined: 1 week ago
Posts: 2
December 7, 2018 6:03 pm  

Sorry if you've already answered this.  Have you tried internal monitor acceleration?  I know you get less performance using the internal monitor but it could be a mobile gaming beast if you can.

Soon I will add my system & eGPU details or a build link to this my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
OliverB
(@oliverb)
Estimable Member
Joined: 2 months ago
Posts: 206
December 7, 2018 9:40 pm  
Posted by: Goose

Sorry if you've already answered this.  Have you tried internal monitor acceleration?  I know you get less performance using the internal monitor but it could be a mobile gaming beast if you can.

Yes I have. I post here a screenshot from Forza Horizon 4 on the internal display. You have to consider that the resolution is higher, 2880x1800. With 51 FPS it is still playable.

macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-asus-xg-station-pro-evga-gtx-1080-ti
2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-rtx2080ti32gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-gtx1080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-rtx2080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-vega5632gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro
macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-razer-core-x-evga-gtx-1080-ti-2
macbook-pro-15inch-2018-aorus-gaming-box-gtx1080


ReplyQuote
OliverB
(@oliverb)
Estimable Member
Joined: 2 months ago
Posts: 206
December 7, 2018 10:24 pm  

@joi_kansai, On your request I made TimeSpy and FireStrike Tests with the RTX2080Ti. To be complete I finally found the time to make the test of TimeSpyExtreme and FireStriktUltra with my EVGA GTX1080Ti SC2 and I must say, the performance of RTX2080Ti is quite disillusioning, especially for this setup with TB3-eGpu:

  GTX 1080 Ti RTX 2080 Ti
Time Spy Extreme

Fire Strike Ultra

In those 4k Tests the Graphic Scores of the RTX 2080 Ti compared to GTX 1080 Ti are only better by about 10-20%.

macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-asus-xg-station-pro-evga-gtx-1080-ti
2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-rtx2080ti32gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-gtx1080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

early-2015-13-macbook-pro-rtx2080ti-11gb16gbps-tb2-asus-xg-station-pro-via-tb3-tb2-adapter

2018-15-macbook-pro-rp560x-vega5632gbps-tb3-asus-xg-station-pro
macbook-pro-15-2018-i7-razer-core-x-evga-gtx-1080-ti-2
macbook-pro-15inch-2018-aorus-gaming-box-gtx1080


Enky_bubu and Joikansai liked
ReplyQuote
Joikansai
(@joi_kansai)
Trusted Member
Joined: 10 months ago
Posts: 94
December 7, 2018 11:38 pm  

@OliverB Thanks for your time doing that, I know now quite sure Blade 15 Thunderbolt architecture made somehow lower graphics performance than my previous Blade 14.
Blade 15 gtx 1080ti Zotac Mini 
Firestrike Timespy
Blade 14 gtx 1080ti Zotac Mini
Firestrike Timespy
Timespy is dx12 benchmark so on dx12 titles it should gain more % improvement.
Here is similar raw performance gpu with 1080ti,xc 2080 Gaming with Blade 15.
Since more titles dx12 are optimized it’ll come more improvement that will separate 1080ti and 2080ti bigger imo.

Soon I will add my system & eGPU details or a build link to this my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote
Goose
(@goose)
New Member
Joined: 1 week ago
Posts: 2
December 11, 2018 5:03 pm  
Posted by: OliverB
Posted by: Goose

Sorry if you've already answered this.  Have you tried internal monitor acceleration?  I know you get less performance using the internal monitor but it could be a mobile gaming beast if you can.

Yes I have. I post here a screenshot from Forza Horizon 4 on the internal display. You have to consider that the resolution is higher, 2880x1800. With 51 FPS it is still playable.

Great!  Is it just plug and play for Nvidia cards while in Windows 10?

Soon I will add my system & eGPU details or a build link to this my signature to give context to my posts


ReplyQuote