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2019 15" Lenovo Yoga C940 (GTX1650) [9th,6C,H] + RTX 2070 Super @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Razer Core X Chroma) + Win10 [phila-delphia]  

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phila-delphia
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System specs

Lenovo Yoga c940 15" / i7 9750H / GTX 1650 Q-Max /16 GB RAM / 1TB NVME SSD

 

eGPU hardware

RTX 2070 Super Gigabyte Windforce OC @ Razer Core X Chroma

 

Hardware pictures

IMG 20200410 0001287
IMG 20200413 1105469 kopie

Installation steps

In general it all went plug and play, the most important steps were:

1.) Disabeling Fast Startup in Energy-Settings

2.) Installing the same dirver for internal & eGPU (which can be tricky if both are nVidia -> uninstall cards and install both from one driver VS. install dGPU, connect eGPU an install with the same dirver)

3.) Disabeling internal GPU will prevent small freezes/hickups every few seconds (via Hardwaremanager if you want to switch on the fly / via bios if you prefere much longer battery time on the go)

 

Benchmarks (external LCD)

Yoga c940
Yoga c940   Heaven Extreme
Yoga c940   Superposition 4k Optimized

 

Comments

With the current setup I finally am close to the dream of having a real all in one solution. I use the c940 on the go a lot, still at home - by just plugging in two cables - I can use allmost all of the advantages of a desktop and multimedia setup thanks to the fact that the Razer Core Chroma X allows to plug in so many peripherals (including external SSD & Raid & Monitor & LED projector).

I am still somewhat puzzled, that my former Yoga 720 connected to the same eGPU produced better FPS than my Yoga c940 does. Please feel free to comment on this thread: https://egpu.io/forums/pc-setup/less-egpu-performance-with-better-notebook/ Its especially the games that use DENUVO anti tamper protection, that run very bad on my setup.

2019 15" Lenovo Yoga C940 (GTX1650) [9th,6C,H] + RTX 2070 Super @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Razer Core X Chroma) + Win10 [build link]  

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itsage
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@phila-delphia, Have you checked the PCH and its temps during gameplay? If it gets close to 80 degress Celsius the Thunderbolt 3 connection through here may get throttled. I found a motherboard photo on notebookcheck that shows an uncooled PCH chip.

Last but not least is the incredible insights @nando4 shared in one of his builds. He mentioned the BIOS optimization for Thunderbolt 3 connection is very lacking on H-CPU systems (except the 15" MacBook Pro). I don't know how feasible it is to produce a patch.

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phila-delphia
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@itsage, Thank you for bothering to help me and thank you for the insight shared. The PCH chip indeed is uncooled - I will give it a look after I return home end of the week and see if there is something I can do about it! I will also read nando4s article!

Thx again for yout help! I will report back!

All the best!

 

phil

 

2019 15" Lenovo Yoga C940 (GTX1650) [9th,6C,H] + RTX 2070 Super @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Razer Core X Chroma) + Win10 [build link]  

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@itsage, I had chance to check the PCH temperature. It will hover at 57-61°C when the TB3 is under gaming load... So that`s not the issue. I suspect the bad 9750h Bios nando mentioned in his build. Still I thank you very much!

All the best!

phil

 

2019 15" Lenovo Yoga C940 (GTX1650) [9th,6C,H] + RTX 2070 Super @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Razer Core X Chroma) + Win10 [build link]  

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@phila-delphia I've been considering using the Core X Chroma for a one-plug solution with a Lenovo laptop, but I've heard mixed reviews on its functionality with USB peripherals. Personally I would probably only use keyboard/mouse/mic, but it looks like you're pushing it to the limit. How has your experience been, and could you describe your peripheral setup?

2019 14" Lenovo Yoga C940 [10th,4C,G] + RTX 2060 Super @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Razer Core X Chroma) + Win10 [build link]  

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phila-delphia
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@oversizedmattress, Pushing it to the limit is right... The limit was reached, when I attached an USB splitter to one of the Chromas USB Ports 😉

Right now I use the Chroma with

- Mouse (wireless dongle)

- Keyboard (wireless dongle) -> both of which must not be plugged into one USB port (via said splitter) to avoid interference.

- 1 TB SSD

- 1 RAID ENCLOSURE

- LAN

- HDMI -> LED Beamer

- DP -> Monitor

Everything works like a charm (besides the fact that the 8th/9th gen BIOS issue nando observed and described somewhat hampers gaming performance)

All the best to you!

phila

2019 15" Lenovo Yoga C940 (GTX1650) [9th,6C,H] + RTX 2070 Super @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Razer Core X Chroma) + Win10 [build link]  

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@phila-delphia Whelp, that seals the deal for me then, that’s incredible! All I need to hope for is half that level of connectivity and I’ll be set

Ps. You probably already know this, but from what I’ve heard hooking up that many peripherals (especially the storage) via the Chroma can take up a lot of your Thunderbolt bandwidth. Have you tried running performance tests with less attached?

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@oversizedmattress, yes I did test the performance but the effect is neglectable imho as long as you do not try to run mous and keyboard dongle OR 2 ssd through one Croma USB port like I did Oops

Saying this I have to damit, that I am not the kind of guy that copys millions of lifes while downloading hundreds of GB plus trying to game at the same time...

What hampers performance most are:

- the limitations that I described here ->  https://egpu.io/forums/postid/74218/ (apparently due to 8th/9th gon BIOS)

- the bandwidth limitations TB3 suffers from small block transfer sizes (application dependand)

Both is covered in this exelent thread @nando posted some time ago: https://egpu.io/forums/postid/72088/

Hope all will work out well for you!

All the best!

phila

 

 

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Posted by: @phila-delphia

- the bandwidth limitations TB3 suffers from small block transfer sizes (application dependand)

This may be illustrated by the benchmarks from @itsage comparing Thunderbolt to PCIe.
https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/a-call-for-measurements-isolating-the-thunderbolt-effect/paged/5/#post-14987
Note how PCIe 3.0 x1 can have performance better than Thunderbolt 3.

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Laptop Specs:

eGPU Specs:

External Monitor Specs:

  • 21:9 Ultrawide
  • 1080p 2560x1080
  • 144 Hz
  • LG 34UC79G-B 34"

Hello,

I have had my C940 setup with my RTX 2080 as my eGPU for several months now and I have run into multiple issues.

I have tried doing a bit of troubleshooting on my own over time but I was hoping that you could help me out seeing that you have a very similar setup.

I have 3 overlying issues. I am sure that there is some overlap between them:

Freezes when plugging/unplugging eGPU

Symptoms:

  • When I plug in or unplug the Thunderbolt cable from my laptop, frequently the whole system freezes
  • This also occurs when powering on my device with the eGPU plugged in
  • I do notice that nearly every driver appears to crash when this occurs
    • Sound icon in taskbar shows red X over it
    • Wireless icon in taskbar also shows red X over it
    • If I am on the lock screen when this occurs, the above two occur as well as a message saying something like "We've run into an error" for the fingerprint reader
    • Some other various drivers appear to fail as well

Steps taken:

  • Not really sure what I can do to solve this
  • Reinstalled graphics driver

Current workaround:

  • Hold down power button, forcing restart

Stuck in Sleep Mode

Let me preface this by saying that this may be a completely unrelated error to the eGPU but if you could help me that would still be great

Symptoms:

  • Anywhere from 1/10 times to every time my device goes into sleep mode, my C940 gets stuck in sleep mode
  • The power button will pulse (indicating that it is in sleep mode) but pressing the power button, keyboard, or fingerprint sensor does nothing
  • Hot to the touch where I was unable to leave my hand on any spot of the laptop

Steps Taken:

  • I have also tried plugging in and unplugging the eGPU and/or the power adapter which is of no help.
  • Fast-Startup is disabled
  • I have lost so much data because of this that I have disabled sleep mode altogether at this point
  • Created a post on Lenovo Forum: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-Yoga-Series-Notebooks/Yoga-C940-Stuck-in-Sleep-Mode/m-p/5017724
    • I have not gotten a change to follow the Reddit guide referenced in the forum post
  • I have contacted support Lenovo about this (Premium Onsite Accidental Warranty)
    • They almost immediately sent out a repair tech who replaced my entire motherboard/system board
      • This solved absolutely nothing
    • After contacting them again, they were going to send out another repair technician to replace the same part!
    • When I rejected that since they had replaced the motherboard/system board the exact same day, they suggested I factory reset my device (I assume they meant reinstall Windows)
      • This is not an option since I am currently working for my job remotely and cannot afford to have my PC out of commission while reinstalling programs and transferring data 
    • I've given up on Lenovo support to help me with this issue

Current workaround:

  • The only way I am able to solve it is if I hold the power button for 10 seconds, force shutting down the PC, and turning it on again. (Same as when PC freezes from plugging/unplugging eGPU)
  • If it is super hot, I will leave it off for a while to let it cool down

General Overheating

Symptoms:

  • I know my CPU is able to run hotter than others but I feel as though this is still past the limit
  • Frequently reaching 100°C
  • Can go past 80°C when idle

Steps Taken:

  • This was part of the Lenovo service repair referenced above
    • Fans were also replaced but this also did not solve anything

Current workaround:

  • If it gets too hot, I turn it off for a while and let it cool down
    • Cannot do this if I'm working

If you can help me out, I would really really appreciate it!

Laptop Specs:
Lenovo Yoga c940 15"
CPU: i9 9880H
dGPU: GTX 1650 Q-Max
RAM: 16 GB
SSD: 2TB NVME

eGPU Specs:
Razer Core X Chroma
RTX 2080

External Monitor Specs:
21:9 Ultrawide
1080p 2560x1080
144 Hz
LG 34UC79G-B 34"


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