2020 14" HP Spectre x360 14 [11th,4C,G] + RTX 2080 Ti @ 32Gbps-TB4 (Razer Core X) + Win10 // quick and dirty test
13.5in screen (1920x1280), i5 1135G7, Xe graphics, Windows 10
Literally way more plug and play than my spectre 15 with the 1650 max q. All I did was install geforce drivers through geforce experience and ran the benchmarks.
Benchmarks: Everything is ran on the external monitor
The laptop is my significant other's and I just took it to run some test for people who might be interested. Honestly with how good the Xe graphics is on its own we're coming to a point where you should honestly just consider getting a non dgpu laptop and saving the money for an egpu setup. The i5 is extremely competitive with my i7 9th gen 6 core H processor.
While my H processor doesn't have integrated thunderbolt, as all did all H processors until the recently released 11th gen H, the score difference between the cpus alone aren't really that big. Even though my H processor regularly sat at a much higher clock speed, the main difference between the two cpu is purely based on core count.
The laptop is extremely quiet compared to my spectre 15. The fans or the fins seemed to be designed much differently to where most of the noise you will hear sounds more like a low sucking noise than the regular fan whine some of us may be used to. The laptop overall doesn't really get that hot. If you don't touch HP command center and force it into performance mode it'll happily sit around 70c or less with little or no fan usage (although it seems to be throttled for this to work). Once forced into performance mode it sat around 3.3ghz while doing a 10min cinebench test at around 90c.
The gpu performance difference on timespy is a similar gap to my previous test of a 2070super vs a 2080ti on my current spectre 15(H series). Judging from how my current setup can run basically every title at 1440p near max or at max settings, I want to say that you could probably get similar performance on a 2070super or a 2080 which are both at or above 3060ti of performance.
I wanted to open it up and look at the cooling setup/re-paste it with some kryonaut thermal paste I have left over, but alas it seems like its tamper proof(not my laptop so I don't want to risk it). The feet isn't all that sticky but it seems like its embedded deep so it shouldn't come off over time. If y'all want to open it you'll need at least a torx t4 and some Phillips tips. Previously I re-pasted my current spectre 15 after receiving it back from Hp (with a new repaste/heatsink) and testing. While using my egpu I went from thermal throttling to sitting around 80-90c on very intense games. So if you find any new spectre to be a bit hot for your liking, consider re-pasting before doing anything else.
If this were my laptop I would permanently leave it in tablet mode and take notes with the pen as well as using it as a second monitor with my main monitor. It definitely has the heat headroom to perform at or near 100% in that mode without getting hot. The pen/touch is superb on the 1980x1280 screen (Theres consistency issues with higher resolution and how well pens works on HP laptops from my experience with a 2017 1080 envyx360, 2017 4k spectre 15 vega, and my 2019 4k spectre). Its almost as good if not as good as my surface pro as well as my previous surface book 1 (both are near the same quality as ipads).
@mangowuzhere, Thank you for sharing this excellent build! The newest Spectre laptops with Tiger Lake are really good. I had the 15-in version with the i7 and that was running very quiet too.
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i just got a similar spec acer swift 3 air 3, i am assuming your unit has 8gb ram also. cinebench R15 average over 10 runs is about 730-740 and fire strike graphics score 4727 , total score 4280.
I saw your other build also, where you compared various graphic cards using time spy, from what i could understand you say that your build and this build too could possibly use a higher graphics card also (meaning the TB port and cpu were not real bottlenecks?)
My target is to just get flight simulator 2020 running at 30-40 fps... maybe on a 1080p/60 tv at high settings, and for that do you think the 1660 super should be ok? or would require something like a rtx 2060/super at an eye watering USD 500-550. as mentioned above i was thinking of the 1660 super because i thought that my cpu/ram/tb4 would anyway be a bottleneck specially in flight simulator 2020.
Would love to hear your and everybody else's views.
@ash-2018, So the conclusion I had was that thunderbolt on H processors are severely limited compared to other processors (unless the H processor is 11th gen). The spectre 14 I tested had 16gbs of ram. Flight simulator is pretty intensive on hardware and the recommended specs are pretty high for playable non min experience. I'm not sure where you're getting these cards from but they seem to be pretty high prices to where they should be on the market. If your getting used I wouldn't recommend spending more than 250 on a 2060/2060super since the 3060 is 330. 250 would even be a pretty high price for a card with no warranty and is used. Thunderbolt is still a limiting factor. if you plan on running it through thunderbolt you should expect about 80% performance of the original (ish) just to be safe. It seems like the 2060 is running flight sim on ultra at around 30fps and high at around 50 fps at 1080p. With the loss taken into consideration you could probably see 30-40 fps on high at 1080p with a 2060. Honestly I recommend you just saving up for the 3060 since the money will go further performance wise. I wouldnt recommend you getting a 1660 super tho since it'll be cutting it really close and might not even achieve 30-40 fps on high.
I'm not sure of the thunderbolt performance limit. It seems like the higher end cards are getting worse % of performance but I'm unsure exactly how much. If you care about not losing performance consider using a m.2 egpu setup instead of thunderbolt. IIRC the loss% is much lower compared to thunderbolt.
@itsage, Its running surprisingly good. The 35W H varient cpus coming out would look pretty interesting if they decide to fit it into the spectre 14. Although I feel as if the 14 might be pushing the cooling setup way too much with the H varient (since it has a similar body to the spectre 13). If I cared enough or had the dough to blow I would definitely consider getting the spectre 15 if it was spec out with the 8core H and no dgpu or a 6core H with a dgpu as good as the 2060.
@mangowuzhere, H35 series doesn't sound all that amazing for me. It just has a slightly higher clock speed than the i7 G7 series while having the same core count. I doubt the performance differences will even be noticeable.
hi, thank you for the inputs..
I am in indonesia and quite new to the graphics card etc scene, i thought of this egpu setup just as a side project for my son and myself. i am nowhere a gamer, just wanted some flight simulator to refresh old memories.
I am really stumped with the graphic cards prices prevailing here and the poor availabilty. rtx 3060ti and rtx 3070 seem to be in the USD 800-900 range and poor suppy, due to which even used cards are being sold at close to new prices. yup the prices i mentioned yesterday for 2060/2070 were for used cards..
my acer i believe has just one m2 slot which is already being used by the ssd, so TB is the only option.. but with the current graphics card prices the whole egpu plan seems to be bordering on absurd.
More confused than ever.. will update the forum later on what i do.
@ash-2018, yeah, right now it's a really bad time to buy a new, even a used graphics card. Same shortage of stock and high prices in Europe, too.