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2021 15" MSI Stealth 15M A11UEK (RTX3060) [11th,4C,H] + RTX 3080 @ 32Gbps-TB4 (Razer Core X Chroma) + Win10 20H2 [Wildfear]  

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Hello everyone !

 

New testing with MSI Stealth 15M A11UEK !

It's a 15 inch slim laptop with Tiger Lake 35W (i7-11375h) and dGPU (RTX3060).

I used the same the same eGPU of my main setup :

2020 15" Lenovo Legion 7i (RTX2070S) [10th,8C,H] + RTX 3080 @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Razer Core X Chroma) + Win10 20H2

 

System specs :

Laptop :

MSI Stealth 15M A11UEK 15,6"

i7 11375h / 16GB 3200MHz / 1To NVME

dGPU : RTX3060

Screens :

- main : Acer Predator XB271HUBMIPRZ (27" WQHD 165Hz IPS)

- secondary : SKILLKORP SKP_E20-27 (27" WQHD 144Hz VA)

OS :Windows 10 20H2

 

eGPU hardware :

eGPU enclosure : Razer Core X Chroma 

TB3 Cable : from Razer bundle

eGPU card : MSI GeForce RTX 3080 VENTUS 3X 10G OC (hardware limited to 320W)

 

Hardware pictures : /

 

Installation steps :

Original OEM OS, just updated to Windows 20H2

Hotlug eGPU and install lastest drivers for RTX

 

Benchmarks : with comparison with my main laptop ans previous testing :

 

Timespy : https://www.3dmark.com/spy/18800881

MSI Tiger Lake 4C H 35W : GPU 15011 / CPU 5356

Asus Tiger Lake 4C G 25W : GPU 15046 / CPU 4489

Lenovo Comet Lake 8C H 45W : GPU 14043 / CPU 10249

 

Timespy Extreme : https://www.3dmark.com/spy/18825328

MSI Tiger Lake 4C H 35W : 7961 GPU / 2483 CPU

Asus Tiger Lake 4C G 25W : 8016 GPU/ 1998 CPU

Lenovo Comet Lake 8C H 45W : 7748 GPU / 4605 CPU

 

Others benchmarks and system infos :

HWinfo64 :

HWinfo64

CudaZ :

cudaz

Cinebench R20 :

CB20

Superposition medium 1080 :

Superposition Benchmark v1.1 23387 1614985268

Superposition medium 1440 :

Superposition Benchmark v1.1 18986 1614985559

Superposition medium 4k :

Superposition Benchmark v1.1 10377 1614985922

 

> I will return the laptop next week, too much coil whine and fan noise (my legion 7i is so much silent).

> I will also try the Asus ROG flow X13 (pre-ordered for end of march), and waiting for the 45W 8C Tiger Lake if it don't give me sastisfaction

 

2021 13" MSI Summit E13 Flip EVO [11th,4C,G] + RTX 3080 @ 32Gbps-TB4 (Razer Core X Chroma) + Win10 20H2 [build link]  

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@wildfear, Thank you for sharing your experience. I never had good luck with MSI laptops + eGPU. Too bad the cooling system is no good.

 

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Thanks for the valuable info! It's interesting to see the 22gbit hit again -- and even more interestingly, I believe the first time ever, we see a much higher return data rate. Exciting news if I don't misunderstand it: accelerating the internal display will be slightly less bandwidth starved.

Within the next six months I will get a TB4 laptop and I intend to get a TB4 hub as well and see whether the 22gbps is still on the host site (seriously doubt) or you can actually get more speed... I have two eGPUs so I can load test easily Smile

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Posted by: @chx

Thanks for the valuable info! It's interesting to see the 22gbit hit again -- and even more interestingly, I believe the first time ever, we see a much higher return data rate. Exciting news if I don't misunderstand it: accelerating the internal display will be slightly less bandwidth starved.

Within the next six months I will get a TB4 laptop and I intend to get a TB4 hub as well and see whether the 22gbps is still on the host site (seriously doubt) or you can actually get more speed... I have two eGPUs so I can load test easily Smile

To realize the full 32Gb/s data rate option in the TB4 spec we might need an eGPU device that uses the Maple Ridge (JHL8440) client controller. I'm not sure if existing TB3 controllers will have the option. Maybe others know details here or we will just have to wait and see what products come out and test.

They keep mentioning specifically 32Gb/s "storage speeds" when they market that it's no longer constrained to 22Gb/s, so hopefully that translates to eGPU as well.

https://www.mouser.com/new/intel/intel-8000-thunderbolt-4-controllers/   <--- great overview video here from Mouser with an Intel rep..

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Intel/JHL8440-S-LN6U?qs=DPoM0jnrROV1HjSPij2w%252Bg%3D%3D

Hey.. only $12.66 each in trays of 200. Smile

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Yes, I suspect we'd need a full TB4 eGPU to get more than 22gbit/s to a single device -- but what if you could run an eGPU at 22gbit/s and an SSD on the side? That's what I hope to get out of a TB4 hub + TB3 eGPU + any SSD enclosure (even USB C can hit close 10gbit/s so maybe not waste money on a TB3 enclosure).

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@odin, @chx I think Maple Ridge (host controller in Z590 motherboards and ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 Thunderbolt 4 add-in card) and Goshen Ridge (peripheral controller in Thunderbolt 4 hubs with 3 downstream Thunderbolt 4 ports) are still limited to about 24 Gbps of PCIe data (3000 MB/s) over Thunderbolt just like Titan Ridge and Alpine Ridge. 24 Gbps can be seen using AmorphousDiskMark in macOS (CrystalDiskMark in Windows). 22 Gbps is what you might get with other benchmarks.

The 32 Gbps is the connection (PCIe 3.0 x4 = 31.5 Gbps) between a discrete Thunderbolt 3/4 host controller and the CPU. These usually don't perform better than 24 Gbps when raiding two drives, one per thunderbolt port, together (I haven't seen a RAID test of Maple Ridge yet).

Integrated Thunderbolt controllers in Ice Lake, Tiger Lake, Rocket Lake, and M1 Macs can do RAID 0 up to around 40 Gbps between any two or more Thunderbolt ports (I haven't seen a RAID of Rocket Lake yet).

 

 

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But what have you benchmarked? The only TB4 peripherals so far are hubs without PCIe exposed. As I mentioned above, you'd need multiple TB3 eGPUs hanging off a TB4 hub and benchmark the two at the same time to know.

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I'll hold off any speculation until we see Goshen Ridge controllers in eGPU devices. It could be that it doesn't change anything, but I'd like to see one put through its paces tied to a notebook with a Tiger Lake TB4 implementation.

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