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Mehenn
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January 19, 2017 10:03 pm  

Finally finished my eGPU!!! Based on:

 

eGPU hardware

 

Notebook

  • late 2016 13" MBP
  • dual core i7 @ 3.3GHz
  • 16GB RAM 2133 MHz
  • 512 SSD with external Synology NAS
  • Intel HD Graphics 3000
  • 2 DELL P2715Q (1980x1020)

 

Everything works fine, I am satisfied for now. Still some things I want to solve

  • the USB soundbar if plugged into the monitor isn't visible (I have to plug it in the MBP)
  • system hangs if goes into sleep, have to reboot

 

Pictures:

Thank you guys for your help and for your posts that lead me to build this!


Fixed issues:

  • running at 4k with one monitor only I sense delays/lag on display (didn't tried with 2) - Fix: running the monitors in standard resolution (1920x1080 @ 60Hz retina - 3840x2160 @ 60Hz)
  • 2nd monitor (the one using HDMI) runs in 30fps for any resolution - Fix: switched GPU and now using display ports for both monitors, works like a charm!
  • wait for the ordered low PCI connectors to close the box - Fix: the new GPU has the power connectors all the way in the at the end so the box can be closed using regular connectors
  • drill some holes for airflow and repaint the box - Fix: no longer needed since the airflow is more than enough with the front cut off and used a black marker to fix the small scratches
  • redo the cables. starting with a 8pin connector, use 2  wires for a soldered barrel plug and move all the cables and connectors inside the box - Done

Old GPU 

  • EVGA GeForce GTX 970 - Superclocked ACX 2.0 - 4 GB (changed because the lack of display ports)
  • MSI NVIDIA GTX 970 Graphics Card (4GB, 1076MHz, 256 Bit, DDR5, HDMI, PCI-E) (changed because I got a better card - 980)

Old Notebook:

  • late 2011 13" MBP
  • dual core i7 @ 2.8GHz
  • 16GB RAM 1333MHz
  • 120GB Samsung EVO 750
  • Intel HD Graphics 3000

Other notebook tested: 2015 15" MacBook Pro with i7 quad @ 2.2 running El Capitan

Previous setup pictures:

Using EVGA GTX 970 :

Using MSI GTX 970


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late-2016 13" MBP + Quadro M2000/FirePro WX5100/GTX750-TB3 (AKiTiO Thunder3) + macOS 10.12.3
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January 19, 2017 10:21 pm  

Thank you for sharing your implementation. Scratch the comment about [email protected] requiring 15Gbps. If your 4K LCD is attached to the eGPU then there is no impingement on your 10Gbps-TB1 link.

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January 20, 2017 12:22 am  

Hey guys!

I've discovered another issue. Since the GTX970 has only a display port, the 2nd monitor is using HDMI, but it limits the refresh to 30fps

Any idea why/how to fix it? The HDMI cable should be 2.0 compliant: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00Z9X0USK Thanks!

Later edit:

I think its related to retina because the monitor is always in 3840x2160, 30Hz while connected on HDMI... 

Later later edit:

Seems like the HDMI 2.0 limits to 30Hz 🙁 will return and buy another card...

 

 


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January 20, 2017 2:11 pm  

Glad to hear this worked out for you. Sorry to hear about the HDMI2.0 crap. I guess you'll need to find a GTX970 with two DisplayPort connectors...At least you ordered from Amazon, so the return and exchange shouldn't be too hard! Here is a different GTX970 option that comes to mind. (Price was for a used one).

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January 21, 2017 3:43 pm  

The new GTX 970 from MSI arrived and plugged in. Now both monitors work at 60Hz . YAY!

The benchmark dropped a bit with the new card, but I can't tell if its from the fact that now I have 2 monitors instead of one or the EVGA version is simply better (being overclocked and all)

I sensed a bottleneck on the CPU side so I will try the eGPU with a 2015 15" MacBook Pro with i7 quad @ 2.2 running El Capitan. Will publish the results on the new thread.

Here is the new benchmark:

 


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January 31, 2017 12:14 am  

My new machine arrived today. Late 2-16 13" MBP i7 dual core @ 3.3.

Updated first post with pictures and new benchmark.

But a new issue popped. The Mac give a black screen (it needs to be reseted) if it goes into sleep. Anyone encountered this?

P.S. @nando4 can you change the name of the thread/implementation to reflect the new machine and thunderbolt port?

 


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January 31, 2017 8:38 pm  

I always see pictures of people proudly showing their open laptop sitting next to their display(s)... what happens if you close the lid?  Can you put the computer off to the side (or in a nice laptop stand) and only use the external display(s)?

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January 31, 2017 9:22 pm  

Ha, never tried. I actually like it open. There is a software named InsomniaX that could help. Right now my eGPU is spread out since I am rewiring it, but tomorrow or the day after tomorrow when I will finish it, will definitely try and let you know!


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January 31, 2017 10:59 pm  

Don't use your MacBook closed you will finish with a display failure!

Even if you try with open slightly (around 10-15 degrees) you will have the same problem. So don't try it 🙂

Also in future you can use ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1080 Mini, i also have the idea to make custom Akitio Thunder3 case with GTX 1080 Mini (Power Consumption 180W and will work with DA-2 220W) in future but i will wait for next-gen Macbook Pro 15' first!

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January 31, 2017 11:13 pm  

Thanks for your suggestion @enjoy. But I wont use anything that would not work on MacOS since I run only MacOS. Once we will have support to 10xx I am more than happy to switch. Meanwhile I am stuck to 9xx and ATI... Happy with that also 😀

I started another project with a TB3 enclosure, will open a thread once I have all the components in place. Meanwhile I am working on making this setup pretty and also ordered another GPU from Amazon. A 980. Will see which one will be the winner. After returning the one I consider the worse (bear in mind that I am not a benchmark fanatic; I judge the GPUs from other perspective also: heat, noise, beauty, WOW factor, etc) I will order a RX 980 and choose again. 


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January 31, 2017 11:22 pm  

Yes, once we have support to 10x0, for that reason i add "in future" 🙂 

For what you use your eGPU? - its sure it's not for gaming like me 🙂

It's great that you mod like me the Akitio Thunder2 Case - its the best part for me of the eGPU Setup. I will follow your thread.

 

EDIT: You can use this GPU -  GeForce® GTX 970 Dual Fan - its fit in the Akitio Thunder2

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February 1, 2017 12:15 am  

I have a few cards selected for my other setup (they all have to be available, nano/mini and use less than 110W):

  • EVGA 2 GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 Superclocked GDDR5 Graphics Card
  • Zotac GeForce GTX 950 2 GB PCi-E HDMI Display Port Graphics Card
  • EVGA NVIDIA GTX 950 SuperClock 2 GB Pci-E Graphics Card
  • XFX RX-460P2SFG5 PCI Express Graphics Card - Black

I will use an 120W power source and feed power through the barrel plug.

As at what I am using my eGPU... It is used mainly to feed 2 4k monitors while working and doing some minor gaming (EVE Online, D3, etc). So GPU is not that important there.

I do enjoy modding and building things and most of all finishing all my projects. I also ordered a Dremel kit, a glue gun, a heat gun, modding mesh and other minor things needed to work with. Here is the thread about modding the cables. Hopefully will finish all tomorrow.


Later edit: watched the video, it looks like the 970 is a bit tall do you know if you can close the enclosure using low profile connectors?


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February 2, 2017 5:32 pm  
Posted by: Mehenn

Later edit: watched the video, it looks like the 970 is a bit tall do you know if you can close the enclosure using low profile connectors?

   

Its look the same tall like my 1060:

But is larger for sure, he removed the fan and the front of the Akitio!

You can cut the Front of the Video Card to install the front of the Akitio but you will loose the warranty!

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February 4, 2017 5:50 am  

Even if you try with open slightly (around 10-15 degrees) you will have the same problem. So don't try it 🙂

Posted by: enjoy

 

Don't use your MacBook closed you will finish with a display failure!

   

I'm curious why you say this? I understand it'll be problematic if you close the lid and allow the laptop to go to sleep. Is this what you're referring to? Because  Sleep on lid close can be disabled with InsomniaX. 

 

Mehenn, if you have a chance could you try this for those of us wondering? Not many people have a setup around these parts going yet (money, probably) and would love to know to better inform for future purchases. 

 

I'm thinking once everything is up and running, use InsomniaX -> Disable lid sleep -> lower brightness on internal screen until it's black -> close lid. 

I won't *always* be using my eGPU that I'm planning on getting, but for when I do I need it to sit in my vertical dock slot, so if this workaround works and I can get the laptop closed before inserting into the dock, I'll be the happiest camper in the milky way.

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February 4, 2017 3:03 pm  

I found the best video card for macOS - that fit in the Akitio without remove the Akitio fan and front its  GALAX GEFORCE GTX 970  (ebay $364.29):

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February 5, 2017 7:01 pm  
Posted by: enjoy

 

Don't use your MacBook closed you will finish with a display failure!

Even if you try with open slightly (around 10-15 degrees) you will have the same problem. So don't try it 🙂

Also in future you can use ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1080 Mini, i also have the idea to make custom Akitio Thunder3 case with GTX 1080 Mini (Power Consumption 180W and will work with DA-2 220W) in future but i will wait for next-gen Macbook Pro 15' first!

   

Hi what pci power connected did it have? 8 pin?

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February 5, 2017 11:58 pm  

@ikir - yes -  Power Input - 8-pin PCI-E 😉 

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February 6, 2017 11:10 pm  

The new GTX 980 arrived and seems stable and with better performance. Will keep it and return the 970. 😀

P.S. updated the main post with the new GPU and benchmarks.


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February 26, 2017 1:43 pm  
Posted by: Mehenn

 

The new GTX 980 arrived and seems stable and with better performance. Will keep it and return the 970. 😀

P.S. updated the main post with the new GPU and benchmarks.

   

Wait wait wait! I missed this: you are able to run GTX 980 with Dell Da-2????

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March 10, 2017 3:34 pm  

@ikir: yes 🙂

It actually uses 225W. The Dell DA-2 delivers 220W. 10 is used by the enclosure, that remains 210W. Under very heavy heavy load I've seen signs of under power (black squares, comet trails while dragging windows, etc) but it was very stable and silent.


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March 10, 2017 4:47 pm  

While it's possible to run the GTX 980 with an DA-2 power brick, I'd recommend using a more powerful PSU. I've ran into hard crashes using the DA-2 with GPU rated 150W or more.

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March 10, 2017 7:21 pm  

Do you think the GTX 970 could run into crashed under heavy load? @theitsage

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March 10, 2017 8:16 pm  

At least my MSI GTX970 Gaming 4Gb OC hasn't crashed yet while doing some editing in FCPX, gaming Counter strike with max settings or running heaven, valley and Luxmark benchmarks. I don't know if those qualify as heavy load 🙂 What I find a bit funny is that GTX970 is not able to run 4k videos in quicktime without stuttering, but 3840x1600 plays still just fine. Maybe that is just a driver issue. Intel Iris 540 plays 4k without an effort.

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March 10, 2017 8:28 pm  
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Do you think the GTX 970 could run into crashed under heavy load? @theitsage

   

Pairing the GTX 970 with DA-2 should be fine.

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March 15, 2017 3:55 pm  

Which Thunderbolt 3/2 adapter did you use? Works with windows???

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Which Thunderbolt 3/2 adapter did you use? Works with windows???

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Please answer 🙁 

This implementation uses an Apple TB3 to TB2 adapter:
https://egpu.io/forums/psu-cables/apple-thunderbolt-3-usb-c-to-thunderbolt-2-adapter/

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Do you think the GTX 970 could run into crashed under heavy load? @theitsage

   

Pairing the GTX 970 with DA-2 should be fine.

 I've had to underclock and underpower my Zotac GTX 970 slightly (90% power, -75 mhz core) to make it stable enough not to trip the circuit protection on the DA-2. It was mostly stable at 100% power and stock clocks but sudden explosions (intense graphical effects) onscreen would shut down the DA-2 and crash the drivers. I suspect this was an overvoltage problem when the card needed to quickly ramp up the boost clock. (See the discussion of DA-2 power draw in the power subforum.) Slightly underclocking it keeps the clock steady at ~1200 mhz, with no boost and hence no overvoltage. YMMV depending on the particular power target and limit set by the vbios in specific cards, but anything >150W could potentially run into this problem with the DA-2.

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