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itsage
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Despite being a late 2013 model year, my Mac Pro trashcan is only two years old. The processor and dGPUs are long in the tooth so I did some upgrades both internally and externally. I swapped a 6-core Xeon E5-1650 v2 for a 12-core E5-2697 V2. These old Xeon CPUs are being retired from data center and available on eBay for relatively cheap.

While I was upgrading the CPU, I decided to give the dual FirePro D500 dGPUs a good cleaning and new thermal paste. The trashcan is built very well and doesn't have much tolerance for errors when putting the parts back together. I struggled with the circular top and bottom alignment but all was well in the end. 🙂 

 

System specs:

Late 2013 Mac Pro – Xeon E5-2697 V2/2x Radeon FirePro D500 dGPU/32GB RAM/1TB SSD

 

eGPU hardware:

Mantiz Venus + Radeon VII + Apple TB3 to TB Adapter + 2m Thunderbolt 2 cable

 

Hardware pictures:

This corner of the house is my eGPU testing area so I had been looking for a set of wireless mouse and keyboard that can be shared between multiple computers. I finally found Logitech multi-device keyboard (K780) and mouse (MX Master) to be the perfect pairing. They have hard buttons to switch between three computers. The 2018 Mac mini is not visible but it's behind the ASUS USB-C monitor which sits neatly in the ledge of the keyboard.

 

Installation steps:

@Mac_editor's Purge-wrangler was the essential tool to enable eGPU on the Mac Pro. Hot-plug, sleep, and hot-unplug have been working well in Mojave. Radeon VII doesn't have good drivers yet so there's some misbehaviors during sleep and shutdown. I could only use eGPU in macOS because the firmware of this Mac Pro 6,1 doesn't allow eGPU in Boot Camp.

 

Benchmarks:

AMD Ryzen really pushed CPU performance value in the past two years. This 12-core Xeon could barely match the 8-core Ryzen 7 1700X. The E5-2697 V2 is half the performance of the Threadripper 1950X. I ran some quick benchmarks with Luxmark 3.1 and Geekbench 4 to show the performance of this single D500 and dual dGPUs vs Radeon VII eGPU.

 

Comments:

This Mac Pro benefits greatly from CPU and eGPU upgrades. Using an eGPU not only improves performance but also reduces heat significantly due to the triangular heatsink is shared between CPU and dual dGPUs. It would no doubt extend the life of the computer because the majority of issues in the 6,1 is due to discrete graphics card failure.

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Eightarmedpet
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Such a shame the trash can never made it past v1, it was an incredible piece or kit. With Navi on the horizon I wonder if we would have finally had suitable Gpu replacements for the Mac Pro (I recall apple saying they designed themselves into a thermal corner with the trash can but wonder if die shrink would help to solve that).

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I bought the trashcan because it has many similar characteristics of the G4 Cube. They're unique looking and to some beautiful inside and out. Also opening them up is an experience. Here's a gif I made of the G4 Cube's latch/handle.

For such a small computer, it's fairly modular. Not in the traditional sense because other than CPU and RAM, the other components are proprietary. Still it's better than having all major components soldered onboard. I'm afraid the 2019 Mac Pro will be as locked-down as all the recent Apple products.

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nu_ninja
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I want everything in this thread Smile

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Björn Jansson
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What monitor do you have, the ultra wide one there?

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itsage
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@bjorn_jansson It's a Samsung CHG90 49" monitor. The native resolution is 3840 x 1080 @ 144Hz.

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Marcus CF. Tinnerholm
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Hi @itsage ! So greatefull if you can help me...

Finally i found someone who manged to do what iv been trying for months now! 😉

I got away from PC to MAC to get away from all the "Hacking" back in the 1990-2000... But now im in the shitter...

Im in Heavy Grading & Rendering Right Now in Davinci Resolve and FCP X and really want my new 8K Card to work and help me...

Im trying to Get my Radeon VII in Razer Core X to work with my MacPro 2013 TB2 Trashcan and my MacBook Pro 2017 TB3 in New Mojave 10.14.5 (should work straight away right!?)

IM GETTING THIS ERROR tring to run Pruge-Wrangler again after the 10.14.5 Update

SharpShooter--SkyShooter-STUDIO:~ skyshooter$ purge-wrangler

sudo: unable to stat /etc/sudoers: Permission denied

sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting

sudo: unable to initialize policy plugin

What Permissions does it need? Iv think i tried it all... Repairing in "DiskUtility" or Instaling new OS X from SafeBoot(did not work), I Repaired then in" Terminal" which said "Sucessfull" 

Or does the Core X and or Radeon VII need some kind och NEW Firmware or patch etc!? Been searching and trying different leads but without positive result...

 

One guy said to:

Just add 0x1005 to config.plist > CPU > Type.

https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/macos-10-14-5-update.277160/page-5

But i havent understood how to do this!? Wher is that config.plist ??? Or should a create it?

Cant find the PGM he is using and don't understand how "Plist Edit Pro" works and does this...

 

What did you do?? How did you get it to work mate??? 

 

 

MY MAC PRO SPECS:

 

Maskinvaruöversikt:

 

  Modellnamn: Mac Pro

  Modellidentifierare: MacPro6,1

  Processornamn: 6-Core Intel Xeon E5

  Processorhastighet: 3,5 GHz

  Antal processorer: 1

  Totalt antal kärnor: 6

  L2-cache (per kärna): 256 K

  L3-cache: 12 MB

  Flertrådsteknik: Aktiverad

  Minne: 32 GB

  Boot ROM-version: 130.0.0.0.0

  SMC-version (system): 2.20f18

  Illuminationsversion: 1.4a6

  Serienummer (system): F5KTJ129F694

  Maskinvaru-UUID: 4E7F0AEB-104D-5A68-9AF6-E6E73E66511E

 

AMD FirePro D700:

 

  Styrkretsmodell: AMD FirePro D700

  Typ: Grafikprocessor

  Buss: PCIe

  Kortplats: Slot-2

  PCIe-bandbredd: x16

  VRAM (totalt): 6 GB

  Tillverkare: AMD (0x1002)

  Enhets-ID: 0x6798

  Revisions-ID: 0x0000

  ROM-revision: 113-C3861J-687

  VBIOS-version: 113-C3861XB-028

  EFI-drivrutinsversion: 01.0D.687

  Automatiskt grafikbyte: Stöds

  gMux-version: 4.0.11 [3.2.8]

  Metal: Stöds, funktionsuppsättning macOS GPUFamily2 v1

  Bildskärmar:

LED Cinema Display:

  Bildskärmstyp: LCD

  Upplösning: 2560 x 1440 (QHD/WQHD – Wide Quad High Definition)

  Gränssnittet ser ut som: 2560 x 1440

  Bildbuffringsdjup: 30 bitars färg (ARGB2101010)

  Skärmens serienummer: 2A0452K66JL 

  Huvudbildskärm: Ja

  Bildskärmsdubblering: Av

  Uppkopplad: Ja

  Rotation: Stöds

  Justera ljusstyrka automatiskt: Nej

  Anslutningstyp: DisplayPort

CG2730:

  Upplösning: 2560 x 1440 (QHD/WQHD – Wide Quad High Definition)

  Gränssnittet ser ut som: 2560 x 1440

  Bildbuffringsdjup: 30 bitars färg (ARGB2101010)

  Bildskärmsdubblering: Av

  Uppkopplad: Ja

  Rotation: Stöds

  Justera ljusstyrka automatiskt: Nej

  Anslutningstyp: DisplayPort

THIS IS THE CORE X that is working good with an Black Magic 4K Monitor Card

 

Core X:

 

  Tillverkarnamn: Razer

  Enhetens namn: Core X

  Tillverkar-ID: 0x127

  Enhets-ID: 0x1

  Enhetsrevision: 0x1

  UID: 0x01270533D1085400

  Ruttsträng: 1

  Version av fast programvara: 33,1

  Port (uppströms):

  Status: Enhet ansluten

  Länkstatus: 0x2

  Hastighet: Upp till 20 Gbit/sek ×1

  Nuvarande länkbredd: 0x2

  Fast programvaruversion för kabelkontroller: 0.1.24

  Fast programvaruversion för länkkontroller: 0.35.0

 

 

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itsage
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@marcus_cf_tinnerholm You need to disable SIP in Recovery mode first.

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mac_editor
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@marcus_cf_tinnerholm Ideally if SIP is enabled, the script does not run and prompts a message stating so. This seems like bad permissions as described here:  https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36264655/lost-permission-for-sudo-in-osx-el-capitan

Try the troubleshooting steps mentioned there (even though it is El Capitan sudo mechanisms are largely unchanged) and ensure SIP is disabled.

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Marcus CF. Tinnerholm
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Yeah SIP is disabled since my first Purge-wrangling in prior OS X. And I also doublechecked now again as-well as turned it ON/OFF again! 

In the prior Mojave the eGPU worked on Booth MacPro 2013 Trascan TB2 and MacBook Pro 2017 TB3 with VEGA 56 and VEGA 64 but never the RADEON VII because of the lack of support/drivers as to my understanding.

What persmissions can it be???

 Thanx //Mac

 

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