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itsage
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More inventory of the AMD Radeon VII trickled in this week. I was able to pick one up at the local Micro Center. This Radeon VII is slightly larger than the Vega Frontier Edition. They share the same build quality. The card has a hefty feel and the aluminum finish is nice to the touch. Below are some photos I took during unboxing.

 

System specs:

2018 13" QC MacBook Pro - i5-8259U/Iris Plus Graphics 655 iGPU/8GB RAM/512GB SSD

 

eGPU hardware:

ASUS XG Station Pro + PowerColor Radeon VII + 1.5m Thunderbolt 3 cable

 

Hardware pictures:

 

Installation steps:

macOS:

My 2018 13" MacBook Pro is currently running 10.14.4 Beta [18E184e] but the drivers are not functional with the Radeon VII yet. Upon hot-plugging the eGPU icon would appear briefly but then disappear. The System Information > PCI tree showed the GPU but it's not working. I tried adding 66af in AMDRadeon5000.kext but that made no difference. Also I updated the vBIOS of the card in Windows and tested again in macOS. It didn't change the behavior. Hopefully Apple will release drivers by the time 10.14.4 is public.

 

Boot Camp Windows:

Radeon Adrenalin 19.2.2 is the first version of drivers with XConnect eGPU support in Windows 10. AMD also released Radeon VII BIOS V105 a couple of days ago to add UEFI support. The GPU has to be functional in Windows before the vBIOS update would work. I used @goalque's automate-eGPU EFI to keep my MBP's internal display working with iGPU. 

 

Benchmarks:

I ran Unigine benchmarks through both internal display and external monitor. 3DMark was through the external monitor. 

Internal Display External Monitor

 

Comments:

You may have noticed the eGPU enclosure is ASUS XG Station Pro (330W PSU). I did not experience any crashing during the two hours I was running the Radeon VII inside. It's too early to tell whether this enclosure can handle the Radeon VII.

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OliverB
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@itsage, thanks for the review! That is very good news I was hoping for: The Asus XG Station Pro can wield the Radeon VII, the Vega 64 power horror is gone, because this should be clear: If upgrading AMD, it will be the Radeon VII and I am seriously considering it.

Note: Performance is ok, but it's clearly still not an GTX1080Ti in synthetic benchmarks and probably most games. In AMD optimized games and computing this will be a different story.

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2018 15" MBP & 2015 13" MBP connected to RTX2080Ti GTX1080Ti GTX1080 Vega56 RX580 R9-290 GTX680

 
2018 15" MacBook Pro (RP560X) [8th,6C,H] + RX 5700 XT @ 32Gbps-TB3 (ASUS XG Station Pro) + Win10 & macOS 10.15.4 [build link]  


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Excellent review, its noticeably slower than my RTX 2080 FE in everything but fire strike graphics score by about 15 percent, but I am debating replacing it with a Radeon VII when working macos drivers are available,  to be able to use egpu in both OSes.  Also interesting to note that your i5 gets substantially lower physics scores in 3dmark than my  i7 model, I had assumed thermal limits would render the max clock differences moot (cinebench multi core scores are basically identical for the i5 and i7, less strenuous benchmarks like geekbench show a performance gap).  

I've sortof lost hope that nvidia and apple will resolve their issues and put out Mojave drivers.  
Somewhat optimistic that the Radeon VII should be fine in the Razer Core v2, given the additional 75 of gpu power headroom.  Hopefully no weird power spiking crops up.

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@oliverb Yes, I'm hopeful this Radeon VII doesn't suffer from the high current spikes like the RX Vega 64. I have used this XG Station Pro with reference cooler RX Vega 56 without issues. We'll see whether this is the same situation with the Radeon VII. Everything was stock settings. I'll look into using Wattman next.

@ningauble77 The appeal of AMD cards for Mac users is compatibility in both macOS and Windows. It's not without reservations though. Performance is less than their direct Nvidia counterparts and error 12 in Boot Camp.

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Posted by: itsage

@oliverb Yes, I'm hopeful this Radeon VII doesn't suffer from the high current spikes like the RX Vega 64. I have used this XG Station Pro with reference cooler RX Vega 56 without issues. We'll see whether this is the same situation with the Radeon VII. Everything was stock settings. I'll look into using Wattman next.

I have used this XG Station Pro with a Vega 56 (see my builds), too and had no problems except once, when I used Wattman. 😉

2018 15" MBP & 2015 13" MBP connected to RTX2080Ti GTX1080Ti GTX1080 Vega56 RX580 R9-290 GTX680

 
2018 15" MacBook Pro (RP560X) [8th,6C,H] + RX 5700 XT @ 32Gbps-TB3 (ASUS XG Station Pro) + Win10 & macOS 10.15.4 [build link]  


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Surprised how similar in size this card and the 2080 are. Looking at them separately the Vega looked about 25% bigger! Really is a nice looking card...

Assume you are able to boot with the eGPU connected?

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@itsage, do you have more information about possible power spikes? Can we assume that it's safe with the Asus XG Station Pro?

2018 15" MBP & 2015 13" MBP connected to RTX2080Ti GTX1080Ti GTX1080 Vega56 RX580 R9-290 GTX680

 
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Posted by: Eightarmedpet

Assume you are able to boot with the eGPU connected?

My eGPU is always connected, changes from macOS to Win10 and back are no problems.
I use [ automate-eGPU EFI 1.0.5 USB (Stick always connected to my TB3 dock) + DSDT override + MuxSetting=0 + no apple_set_os.efi ] for booting into Win10. To macOS I boot natively without any scripts (except the kext injection-hack to get the Radeon VII work in 10.14.4 beta).

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Posted by: OliverB

Note: Performance is ok, but it's clearly still not an GTX1080Ti in synthetic benchmarks and probably most games. In AMD optimized games and computing this will be a different story.

I’ve to say this is wrong, maybe in 1080p but on higher resolution it is similar even better in some games, note extra vram take advantage on this as well. And from pure gpu benchmarks superposition it’s better or similar with my 2080 egpu results, amd brings this card to compare 2080, like Vega64 to Gtx 1080 before.

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@joi_kansai, Of course when you go as high that 11 GB is not enough, the Radeon VII will be better, but everything else looks exactly like:
Vega64 vs GTX1080
RadeonVII vs GTX1080Ti

I am not saying this is bad, the GTX1080Ti is a beast. It's only not thaaat good two years later 😉

(And Radeon VII is cheaper than the GTX1080Ti, new ones of course)

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2018 15" MBP & 2015 13" MBP connected to RTX2080Ti GTX1080Ti GTX1080 Vega56 RX580 R9-290 GTX680

 
2018 15" MacBook Pro (RP560X) [8th,6C,H] + RX 5700 XT @ 32Gbps-TB3 (ASUS XG Station Pro) + Win10 & macOS 10.15.4 [build link]  


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