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Juan C. Yunis
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@peter_thaler x86 is the 32 bit architecture used by most common processors, and a lot of apps and software was made to use/support it, but then a couple of years ago, x86_64 (also known as x64) became the new thing, it was make to address more issues and limitations presente by 32 bit processors, one of them being able to support more than 4GB of RAM memory. Windows and many operating system comes with 2 versions, 32 and 64 bit, if you have 4GB or more RAM memory you must have a 64 bit Windows. Also most 64 bit operating systems can run 32 bit apps/software.

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Posted by: tommiart

Im a propper Noob
I have a MBP 15 Vega 20 and a Radeon VII. How do I inject this kext to make the Radeon VII work? Is there a guide to doing this?

Are you currently running macOS 10.14.4 Beta 3? if you are not, then you would have to update your system to it because that is the only way to enable support for Radeon VII. But let me warn you, it is very unstable at the moment.

If you are willing to do it, you would have to copy the kext (AMDRadeonX5000.kext) from /System/Library/Extensions/ to your desktop and right click on it and select show package contents, then go and find the file named Info.plist and edit it, then you would have to find where it says "<key>IOPCIMatch</key>
<string>0x68601002" and add "0x66AF1002" before "0x68601002" meaning something like this " <key>IOPCIMatch</key>
<string>0x66AF1002 0x68601002"

Then download a tool called KextBeast from tonymacx86.com and run it, make sure to select /System/Library/Extensions/ and reboot once completed, then attach the eGPU with the Radeon VII inside.

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@juan_c_yunis @roedi78 plugged in the ts3+ and all USB issues are solved, even in bootcamp. Apparently to get reliable USB with an expensive Mac you need to get an expensive thunderbolt dock, who would have thought.  🙄 

Surprisingly plugging in the ts3+ on the same side as the Razer core X didn't cause any significant drop in tb3 bandwidth as measured by Cl!ng (with just two wireless receivers plugged in). Though to be safe the ts3+ is plugged in to the opposite side now.

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Posted by: Kelvin Tan

@juan_c_yunis @roedi78 plugged in the ts3+ and all USB issues are solved, even in bootcamp. Apparently to get reliable USB with an expensive Mac you need to get an expensive thunderbolt dock, who would have thought.  🙄 

Surprisingly plugging in the ts3+ on the same side as the Razer core X didn't cause any significant drop in tb3 bandwidth as measured by Cl!ng (with just two wireless receivers plugged in). Though to be safe the ts3+ is plugged in to the opposite side now.

@juan_c_yunis @kelvin_tan yesterday I tested the impact of different connection variants of eGPU and TB3+ dock, at least some of them. Result: There is none!
I activated my left side TB3 ports and tested some games and benchmarks.

Here are (only some of) my results with Superposition @ 4K DX:

eGPU+dock @ right side TB3 ports: 53,62 FPS / 7168 
eGPU @ left side TB3 ports, dock @ right: 52,58 FPS / 7030
eGPU @ right side TB3 ports, dock not connected: 52,77 FPS / 7054

The (expected) worst solution (both connected to the "slower" TB3 bus (right side)) was the fastest at the end. But of course +/-1 FPS is just the normal fluctuation between benchmark runs. The game benchmarks are corresponding. As you can see (at least in my case) the use of other TB3 ports next to the eGPU does not produce a bottleneck and there is in fact no further impact on bandwidth.

Edit: Btw, what does not work is to daisy chain MBP --> dock --> eGPU.

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tommiart
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Thanks IT Sage and Juan for your help.
I gave you plug in my video

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I am a bit concerned that the driver may not be ready to go for macOS 10.14.4 final release. I am experiencing frequent freezing and reboots with Radeon VII, an ASUS ROG XR Station 2, and a Vega Pro 20 15" MBP (Late 2018). I was able to get in a solid hour of Elder Scrolls Online between freezes, but basically, the freezes either last for 1-2 minutes and eventually resolve themselves; permanently freeze the system; or just instantly reboot it. 

The last straw was when I did a clean reboot and got an instant freeze when trying to play a Youtube video in Safari. This is with 10.14.4 Beta 4 (just released) and the kext hack. 

It "works" but it seems like AMD has a lot of work left to do to stabilize the driver. Apple will probably be conservative and not officially enable the driver until June. 🙁

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Ya, its increasingly frustrating that Apple provides arguably the best hardware platform for egpu but their software support is so limited and seems to move at a glacial pace.  I'm wondering if this is a deliberate move to protect upselling of higher end dgpu's in their own devices (Radeon Vega 20/Vega 64/etc) and we won't see official support until something equal to or greater ships in an actual product (Mac Pro 2019).  Might be a part of their rationale to not support nvidia as well.

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Posted by: tommiart

Thanks IT Sage and Juan for your help.
I gave you plug in my video

Super interesting video, agreed those 4K frames are crazy good, also how crazy close your desktop and laptop are performance wise!

nice one kant.

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I tried to inject 0x66AF1002 into the AMDRadeonX5000.kext but my Mac mini late 2018 doesn't load the .kext file during startup.

I'm running on OSX 10.14.4 beta 4, with the Radeon VII in a Sonnet Breakaway Box 650.

I tried both instructions from Theitsage and from Juan C. Yunis.  Is there a link to some documentation about running permissions repair?  Or am I doing something else wrong? Also, do I need to disable SIP?

The sonnet itself is recognized by the system. The blue "S" is on. The screen stays black however. Thanks!

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@sjoerd-v I use Kext Utility to repair permissions once I edit system files.

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@itsage, @mac_editor, thank you for your build and tip with the kext injection. Unfortunately it won't work with an ASUS XG Station Pro (Firmware 28,1), Mojave 10.14.4 beta 4 and my TB2-mac.
TB2 has been enabled (with purge-wrangler) and tested positive with an RX570.

Now comes the Radeon VII and it doesn't work:

Screenshot 2019 03 09 at 14.13.19

Not what could be the problem? Could it be the TB2? Could it be the next beta version of Mojave?

Because actually I can find id "0x66AF1002" already in other kext, like AMD10000Controller.kext and this looks like a conflict to me.

Here you can see all occurrences of 0x66AF1002 including my injection (Fat cursive):

 

Extensions$ grep -ir 0x66af1002 *
AMD10000Controller.kext/Contents/Info.plist: <string>0x68601002 0x68611002 0x68621002 0x68631002 0x68641002 0x68671002 0x68681002 0x68691002 0x686A1002 0x686B1002  0x686C1002 0x686D1002 0x686E1002 0x687F1002 0x69A01002 0x69A11002 0x69A21002 0x69A31002 0x69AF1002  0x66A01002 0x66A11002 0x66A21002 0x66A31002 0x66A71002 0x66AF1002</string>
AMD10000Controller.kext/Contents/Info.plist: <string>0x68601002 0x68611002 0x68621002 0x68631002 0x68641002 0x68671002 0x68681002 0x68691002 0x686A1002 0x686B1002  0x686C1002 0x686D1002 0x686E1002 0x687F1002 0x69A01002 0x69A11002 0x69A21002 0x69A31002 0x69AF1002  0x66A01002 0x66A11002 0x66A21002 0x66A31002 0x66A71002 0x66AF1002</string>
AMDRadeonX5000.kext/Contents/Info.plist: <string>0x66AF1002 0x68601002 0x68611002 0x68621002 0x68631002 0x68641002 0x68671002 0x68681002 0x68691002 0x686A1002 0x686B1002 0x686D1002 0x686E1002 0x686F1002 0x687F1002 0x686C1002</string>
AMDRadeonX5000HWServices.kext/Contents/Info.plist: <string>0x68601002 0x68611002 0x68621002 0x68631002 0x68641002 0x68671002 0x68681002 0x68691002 0x686A1002 0x686B1002  0x686C1002 0x686D1002 0x686E1002 0x686F1002 0x687F1002 0x69A01002 0x69A11002 0x69A21002 0x69A31002 0x69AF1002 0x66A01002 0x66A11002 0x66A21002 0x66A31002 0x66A71002 0x66AF1002</string>
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itsage
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@oliverb Did you repair system files permissions after the kext edit? Thunderbolt 2 Mac should not matter. This works in the Mac Pro tower too so it should work with other configurations.

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@oliverb Did you repair system files permissions after the kext edit? Thunderbolt 2 Mac should not matter. This works in the Mac Pro tower too so it should work with other configurations.

@itsage, no I didn't. To be honest I don't know exactly why this has to be done. I edited the kext file with "sudo vi ..." from command-line, the permissions stayed the same.
How exactly are the system file permissions repaired?

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Juan C. Yunis
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@oliverb I believe that is not the permissions, but the utility also does a cache cleanup, i tried just editing the file at first without using any utility and it didn't work, but as soon i did it with kext beast and rebooted, it worked as expected.

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@oliverb see Command Line Swiss Knife in my signature or use Kext Utility. The latter basically does 1 and 3.

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OliverB
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Posted by: mac_editor

@oliverb see Command Line Swiss Knife in my signature or use Kext Utility. The latter basically does 1 and 3.

@mac_editor, thank you. Actually my permissions were right, that wasn't the problem. The only thing that was missing was 
"sudo kextcache -I /"
I could bet a big amount that it was always enough to touch /System/Library/Extension, but well:

There has been change now: The Disconnect Icon appears and stays...

Screenshot 2019 03 09 at 17.49.10


...but still the Radeon VII won't work! It is not even fully detected with name!

So what is wrong? To be absolutely sure, I checked the card in Bootcamp and couldn't get it work there either: Card is yellow banged with Error 43, no matter I am trying to do. It's far away from working. Two OS, two MacBooks, the card won't work.

It looks as the card is defect?!

@itsage, what do you think? How can this be with a brand new Radeon VII? Where is the QS? It's a scandal!

 

 

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I wrote a complaint to the supplier. I translated it with google-translater, so it might be a little strange:
===================================================================================================

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,
As a longtime customer, I can only wonder about what has been delivered today.

I ordered a Radeon VII from Powercolor from you and it arrived today. There were immediately some shortcomings:

1) The anti-static bag was already torn open
2) All dust caps are missing, both from the port ports and from the PCI-E interface.
3) The front metal plate on the ports was bent. I could not install the card so I had to bend it back!

When commissioning then fell on:

4) The middle fan has an unbalance and yaws.
5) The card is completely defective.

I spent the whole afternoon trying to find the bug with me, or system, drivers, etc. No, now on 2 computers and 3 different operating systems, including MacOSX tested, confirm that the card is completely over.
Since the bag was already torn open, I assume that the card came back from someone else.

I would like to file a police complaint against this person for property damage and fraud, but I would need your help. If you do not want to help here (privacy policy), I urge you to file the complaint.

In addition, I strongly criticize that you obviously do not check at your company such a return. It probably did not even notice that the dust caps were missing. I would like to continue to order from you (I have also ordered a replacement card and paid) would wish me to check the goods in the future, before you send me.

Please send a return ticket!

Yours sincerely,

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@oliverb Did you test the card in a known-working configuration (such as PC)? Determining that a card is defective on an OS that doesn't officially support it (yet) is not ideal but it may be the case here - I can't say. Also I presume you rebooted after updating kernel caches/or touching the extensions folder (required) and the required TB1/2 patch is enabled. Perhaps try on a TB3 Mac as well.

To answer your previous doubt as to why we need to update kernel cache: because a kext was changed, the cache is invalid. The new cache takes effect on next boot. Add-on kexts can possibly be loaded dynamically after making changes (such as AMDLegacySupport used for older AMD eGPUs) but drivers, etc. can't (not exactly technically but as an overview assume this).

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Posted by: mac_editor

@oliverb Did you test the card in a known-working configuration (such as PC)?

@mac_editor, I have tried Windows Bootcamp with another MacBook and got permanent Error 43, which I couldn't get resolved. Together with my fails on OSX I assume the card is defective. It may, of course, be a problem with my Asus XG Station Pro, but every single of the 100 other cards worked well with it.

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Why so aggressive when maybe the card is faulty and it would probably be replaced?

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OliverB
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Why so aggressive when maybe the card is faulty and it would probably be replaced?

Because you didn't pay 750 EUR and lost a whole afternoon trying to get it running. And you didn't pay another 750 only to wait more time to get a working one. Furthermore, you don't have the trouble with the return, writing the reclamation, justifying yourself and bringing it to the post office, etc...

Frankly, sir, you are silly asking this.

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OliverB
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Let us not forget the multiple failure of several people that can lead to such thing:

Or/And:
1) The QS at the card-vendor is a catastrophe.
2) The buyer before me is a fraud.
3) The reseller does not read the reasons for the return of a device.
4) The reseller does not check what is returned.
5) The reseller sales second grade goods as first grade goods.

At least 3 of the those are sure to be held true, if not more.
Number 2) and 5) are criminal offences (fraud) and should be persecuted.

I don't know what is your opinion on that, @peter_thaler, but for me criminal offences have to be persecuted and punished. Any criminal offence is a reason to be very angry. (Not talking about victim free crimes, of course).

 

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@oliverb I think you made the same mistake I did at first, from seeing your post.The 5000.kext file has two groupings of device family inside.

You inserted "0x66AF1002" in the grouping with lots of other IDs, it should actually be in the grouping above with if I remember correctly just two other IDs.

Edit:

AMDRadeonX5000.kext/Contents/Info.plist: <string>0x66AF1002 0x68601002 0x68611002 0x68621002 0x68631002 0x68641002 0x68671002 0x68681002 0x68691002 0x686A1002 0x686B1002 0x686D1002 0x686E1002 0x686F1002 0x687F1002 0x686C1002</string>

That's the wrong grouping.

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Posted by: Kelvin Tan

@oliverb I think you made the same mistake I did at first, from seeing your post.The 5000.kext file has two groupings of device family inside.

You inserted "0x66AF1002" in the grouping with lots of other IDs, it should actually be in the grouping above with if I remember correctly just two other IDs.

Edit:

AMDRadeonX5000.kext/Contents/Info.plist: <string>0x66AF1002 0x68601002 0x68611002 0x68621002 0x68631002 0x68641002 0x68671002 0x68681002 0x68691002 0x686A1002 0x686B1002 0x686D1002 0x686E1002 0x686F1002 0x687F1002 0x686C1002</string>

That's the wrong grouping.

Oh, this is possible?!
It would be nice if someone told us where exactly this injection has to go. There is nothing wrong about this. 

If this were an offence/illegal, it would be victim free offence. (And the legal system would be absolutely defective). It is ethically top.

@kelvin_tan about your hint: In the AMDRadeonX5000.kext there is only one other group of IDs and the size is 4, this group is called "Vega12" and it's beneath the big group.

<string>0x69A01002 0x69A11002 0x69A31002 0x69AF1002</string>

There is no group of 2. At least not in 10.14.4 beta 4. Are you sure about this?
Moreover, I find it funny that the ID 0x66AF1002 appears on several other kext. Something doesn't match, perhaps it's the exact OS version, beta 4?!

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@oliverb RVII device ID appearing in other kexts is essential. Each of those kexts have different purposes.

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@oliverb RVII device ID appearing in other kexts is essential. Each of those kexts have different purposes.

@mac_editor Understood! But still it remains a mystery where exactly to insert the Radeon VII Id. @kelvin_tan talks about a pairing with two other IDs, but I can't find those two IDs.

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@OliverB ah sorry didn't realise beta 4 is different now. I made the mistake in beta 3.

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Posted by: Kelvin Tan

@OliverB ah sorry didn't realise beta 4 is different now. I made the mistake in beta 3.

@kelvin_tan, this is most interesting and important.
@itsage, that's why I was talking about if could be the version. Are there any verified reports about beta 4? Could you please test it with beta 4? I can't go back to beta 3....

It's really a horror if you fight against three unknown factors:
1) A probably defective card
2) The wrong OS version, which hasn't been approved.
3) Other kind of error you made, because there is no clear description, where to inject the ID.

You never can know which one (or two or all three) is the reason it won't work.

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@oliverb take a look at my Info.plist https://pastebin.com/gV8SgPaP I'm running Mojave 10.14.4 Beta 4 make sure to clear the kext cache or just use the Kext Beast tool.

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Kelvin Tan
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How is the R7 working with 10.14.4b4? Are the freezes and crashes still happening regularly?

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How is the R7 working with 10.14.4b4? Are the freezes and crashes still happening regularly?

Beta 5 is out now. I used to get crashes all the time but I've been running it on Beta 5 for about 3-4 hours with zero crashes or freezes yet, and I ran Elder Scrolls Online, Unigine Valley and LuxMark, as well as browser, Discord and videos. I think Beta 5 includes a new build of the driver and it is more stable, but the kext hack is still required.

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I have got a new Radeon VII now and now it is working, both in Windows 10 and MacOSX.

After a couple of tests I have to say: The performance is disappointing.

This card gets humiliated by my EVGA GTX1080Ti SC2 in almost every benchmark on each of the two systems, even on the so called "AMD friendly" benchmarks, it's really a sad thing.
EDIT: Finally I found a benchmark where the Radeon VII beat the GTX1080Ti: Far Cry 5, but only a very small margin, for completion I add this to the list.

Just four times two numbers to see for example:

  Radeon VII GTX 1080 Ti

Heaven Extreme Mac
internal display TB2

31.5 50.6
Borderlands 2 Mac
1440p Ultra
external display TB2
65,3
104,7
Shadow of the TR  Win
1440p Highest
external display TB3
54 66
World of Tanks Win
1440p Ultra
external display TB3
17.0k
21.3k
Far Cry 5 Win
1440p Ultra
external display TB3
75
74

(TB2 = 13-inch MBP 2015, TB3 = 15-inch MBP 2018)

This goes on for every benchmark on every combination, TB3 or TB2, Win or MacOSX, One Macbook or the other...(except Far Cry 5). Especially on MacOSX (Mojave) the difference is huge.

@itsage and @mac_editor, are you interested in some benchmark screenshots to prove? Or a you interesting in a particular benchmark tested for both cards in order to compare?

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I can't believe that there were people who really thought Radeon VII would perform better than a GTX1080Ti. @roedi78, @eightarmedpet, really?

I now have both cards can test on the same systems the same tests, so it's comparable and the winner is quite clear.

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Beta 5 is out now. I used to get crashes all the time but I've been running it on Beta 5 for about 3-4 hours with zero crashes or freezes yet, and I ran Elder Scrolls Online, Unigine Valley and LuxMark, as well as browser, Discord and videos. I think Beta 5 includes a new build of the driver and it is more stable, but the kext hack is still required.

Awesome! Keep us updated! 

I use my computer for work so I kind of need to stay on a non-beta release otherwise I'd probably take the jump from 10.14.3 for this. At the very least I'm stoked for official support in 10.14.4 public release. 🙂 Thanks for guinea pig-ing it!!!

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Posted by: OliverB

I can't believe that there were people who really thought Radeon VII would perform better than a GTX1080Ti. @roedi78, @eightarmedpet, really?

I now have both cards can test on the same systems the same tests, so it's comparable and the winner is quite clear.

If it’s all about numbers, then try some OpenCL benchmarks such as LuxMark. You will also find that timeline performance for the Radeon VII for video editing will be superior (it competes with the 2080 ti - saw this in a YouTube video). The new card has less mature drivers as well.

From an engineering standpoint the VII is not a big deal IMO, the 1080 Ti was too good for its time and from this standpoint I rate the Ti as better (released 3 years ago, still performant, and other engineering things), but an objective performance standpoint is not all about numbers. Gaming performance will be similar in most modern titles but for compute its no contest.

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If it’s all about numbers, then try some OpenCL benchmarks such as LuxMark. You will also find that timeline performance for the Radeon VII for video editing will be superior (it competes with the 2080 ti - saw this in a YouTube video). The new card has less mature drivers as well.

From an engineering standpoint the VII is not a big deal IMO, the 1080 Ti was too good for its time and from this standpoint I rate the Ti as better (released 3 years ago, still performant, and other engineering things), but an objective performance standpoint is not all about numbers. Gaming performance will be similar in most modern titles but for compute its no contest.

Of course, the LuxMark Peformance should not be forgotten, so I will display them, too:

  Radeon VII Win Radeon VII MacOSX GTX 1080 Ti MacOSX
LuxMark Ball 50193 40968 23652

Of course those are great numbers.

But what is the practical use other than rendering a nice looking ball?
Point is, that it was said that the Radeon VII could actually compete with nVidia (GTX 1080 Ti) in terms of gaming, but it is not. My tests say otherwise. It's a pity.

I have good news, though: There are no power peak problems like Vega64, absolutely stable with Asus XG Station Pro.

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