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zmyslony
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October 24, 2018 3:35 pm  

System Specs

  • Mid 1018 MacBook Pro Touchbar 13" (base model 8GB 256GB)
  • OS: Mac OSX Mojave / Win 10 Home (bootcamp)
  • eGPU: Razer Core X
  • GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 OC DUKE
  • Display: ASUS STRIX 27" XG27VQ 144 Hz
  • SteelSeries keyboard M750 TKL
  • SteelSeries headphones Arctis 5 
  • Razer Basilisk mouse
  • Satechi USB-C adapter (hdmi, SD, 2xUSB 3.1)

 

INSTALLATION
Plug and Play 

UPDATE: Turning off (in device manager) graphics card audio device helped to get current performance.
When leaving audio on, bandwidth slows down and the results would be much worse.

In some games after a while CPU starts to throttle. If that happens in battery options switch the maximum CPU usage to 98%.

HOW IT WORKS?
I get around 50 FPS more than with GTX 1070. It is just what I needed to get stable 144 FPS in most modern shooters (PUBG, R6)
RTX futures are still to come so performance might be better in the near future.
Overclocking ends up with graphic artifacts on screen, so currently I gave up.

Overall RTX 2080 performance doesn't improve much, but FPS are much more stable and games feel very smooth.

1. PUBG (PlayerUnknown Battlegrounds)

External display

Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Medium/High
FPS:  avg ~140 (min 100 - max 200)
When there is a lot of people I have some fps drops.

 

2. Rainbow Six Siege

External display
Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Very High (+Ultra Textures Pack)
FPS:  avg ~170 (min 130 - max 237)
Works great. 

3. Far Cry 5

External display
Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Settings: HIGH
FPS: avg ~86
Game version 1.0 without Ultra Textures. Looks like CPU bottlenecks when a lot is happening on screen.

 

4. Call of Duty: Black Ops 4

External display
Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Settings: Very High
Blackout FPS : ~110
Zombies FPS: ~90

BENCHMARKS

The results are very similar to Nvidia FE.

FINAL THOUGHTS
I feel like upgrade from old setup(GTX 1070) was a mistake. Performance on current setup is not worth the money and waiting (I waited 2 months for my RTX 2080). 1070 or 1080 might be the sweet spot for little 13" MacBook Pro, and RTX 2080 might be just too much. Going for the non-referent MSI RTX 2080 Duke was also not worth it, performance is the same as theitsage's build(Founders Edition RTX 2080) 

But don't get me wrong - I am happy with such build, and I will stick with it for a while now.

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Eightarmedpet
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October 24, 2018 3:45 pm  

50fps extra is pretty decent IMO! Although saying that I'm getting 60-70fps on PUBG with the same settings (maybe AA is lower) @1440 which I imagine is close to what you'd get with the 2080?

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October 24, 2018 5:42 pm  

I recently sold my gtx 1080 and replaced it with an rtx 2080.  Whether the Macbook Pro CPU is a bottleneck probably depends alot on which games you play and how many cores they actually fully load.  I play several MMO games (Elder Scrolls Online and World of Warcraft) and they both run basically identically on my i7 13" MBpro and a 5960x desktop overclocked to 4.3ghz on all cores.  Those games never really utilize more than 40-50 percent of the CPU resources and allow it to run at 4.1ghz pretty much indefinitely.  Those games are ultimately single core cpu limited and there was a big jump in max fps but not any improvement in min fps going to the 2080 from the 1080.

I imagine any games that are multithreaded well enough to fully load all 8 threads would perform noticably worse than on a desktop, since the sustained turbo with all 4 cores fully loaded is more like 3-3.4 ghz in the MBpro chassis due to thermal limits.

However, several games I play which are much more gpu limited run much much better at 4k with the 2080.  No Man's Sky and Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice were not really playable at 4k with a 1080 and are both very playable with the rtx 2080.

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October 24, 2018 7:40 pm  

@eightarmedpet I was still editing my post, so now you have real fps values and screens 🙂 

@ningauble77 I agree, but the problem with notebook CPU's are that they are theoretically powerful or during 5 min benchmark, but after 1-2 hours of hardcore gaming I did expirienced some blue screen or crashes. 

What is important to say that it depends what refresh rate you want. I play lots of shooters so I need 144 Hz and around 140 FPS.
But Far Cry 5 for example is very playable on those 90 FPS.
It is also worth to notice, that RTX 2080 works well with higher resolutions, thats why 1080p performance gains might not be so noticable.

I was a little disappointed at first, but now I think I am getting on with this RTX 2080. Maybe I expected too much, I thought for that amount of money I could play everything on Ultra settings. We'll see what the future brings.

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October 28, 2018 4:32 pm  
Posted by: zmyslony

@eightarmedpet I was still editing my post, so now you have real fps values and screens 🙂 

@ningauble77 I agree, but the problem with notebook CPU's are that they are theoretically powerful or during 5 min benchmark, but after 1-2 hours of hardcore gaming I did expirienced some blue screen or crashes. 

What is important to say that it depends what refresh rate you want. I play lots of shooters so I need 144 Hz and around 140 FPS.
But Far Cry 5 for example is very playable on those 90 FPS.
It is also worth to notice, that RTX 2080 works well with higher resolutions, thats why 1080p performance gains might not be so noticable.

I was a little disappointed at first, but now I think I am getting on with this RTX 2080. Maybe I expected too much, I thought for that amount of money I could play everything on Ultra settings. We'll see what the future brings.

Yes on 1080p I find also there’s no advantages over 1070 on my laptop, only on 4K or 1440p. I don’t have external high refresh rate monitor, only 144Hz on my laptop, pubg ultra 1080p is around 100fps on internal laptop with PCIe3x4 lanes, but I prefer playing on external 4K ultra 60fps. Far cry I got lower FPS around high 70ish on 1080p since due data looping on internal screen, but mostly I play on high 4K 50fps. Btw my card is xc 2080 evga.

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October 28, 2018 8:05 pm  

does 2080 work under Mojave?

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October 29, 2018 12:15 am  

I was thinking about buying the RTX2080 but I read that (for current software) it's no better than a GTX1080Ti. Ok, GTX1080Ti is still quite expensive, but it is performing superb and it is widely supported.

I am very happy with the benchmarks for Setup Asus Station XP Pro - 2018 15" MacBookPro, even though it is pity, that the dGPU Radeon now is for nothing but trouble.

Those are my benchmarks, haven't seen any better yet and still I do not have the i9 Version of MBP 2018:

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October 29, 2018 12:19 am  
Posted by: Ningauble77

I imagine any games that are multithreaded well enough to fully load all 8 threads would perform noticably worse than on a desktop, since the sustained turbo with all 4 cores fully loaded is more like 3-3.4 ghz in the MBpro chassis due to thermal limits.

This is not really true. Thanks to the fantastic eGPUs a notebook can outperform desktops. See my reply shortly before!

A collegue of mine said before that I would never a reach a desktop PC, now he is arguing that a desktop PC can have more multiple gpus. What a loser arguing in that way...

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October 29, 2018 7:23 am  

A MacBook Pro outperforming a "4K gaming PC"? #mindblown

I REALLY hope the incoming MacMini's have the same i7/i9 option because then they will be a super appealing proposition.

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October 29, 2018 7:41 am  
Posted by: Eightarmedpet

A MacBook Pro outperforming a "4K gaming PC"? #mindblown

I REALLY hope the incoming MacMini's have the same i7/i9 option because then they will be a super appealing proposition.

To be specific, this is a 4k gaming pc of about 2014/2015. Still surprising and amazing.

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October 29, 2018 7:43 am  
Posted by: OliverB
Posted by: Eightarmedpet

A MacBook Pro outperforming a "4K gaming PC"? #mindblown

I REALLY hope the incoming MacMini's have the same i7/i9 option because then they will be a super appealing proposition.

To be specific, this is a 4k gaming pc of about 2014/2015. Still surprising and amazing.

Ahhhhh so 980ti gen hardware which Desktops have moved on a fair bit from now, but still impressive...

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October 29, 2018 9:09 am  
Posted by: OliverB

I was thinking about buying the RTX2080 but I read that (for current software) it's no better than a GTX1080Ti. Ok, GTX1080Ti is still quite expensive, but it is performing superb and it is widely supported.

I am very happy with the benchmarks for Setup Asus Station XP Pro - 2018 15" MacBookPro, even though it is pity, that the dGPU Radeon now is for nothing but trouble.

Those are my benchmarks, haven't seen any better yet and still I do not have the i9 Version of MBP 2018:

If the price is same 2080 is way to go. It has more future proof with ai machine like Ray Tracing core and dlss feature. In Raw performance it’s still slightly better than 1080ti despite some games that eat a lot vram like FFXV which take advantage having 11gb vram on 1080ti, but most games take not even 3/4 from 8gb of vram on 2080.
This is timespy from 2080 TB3 eGPU with 8750 on Blade 15 that TB3 isn’t directly connected to cpu unlike MacBook laptops that slightly lower graphics performance.
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/4717276

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October 29, 2018 10:33 am  

Posted by: Eightarmedpet

@joi_kansai what are your thoughts on a 1070> 2070 Upgrade?

It’s  1080 with Raytracing and dlss feature. With 1070 egpu maybe you can’t play well on 1440p but with 1080 it’s sweet spot. Once there’s game that support dlss, you can even play on 4K since dlss renders frame on 1440p and upscale to 4K which even Pascal 1080ti couldn’t do that, Ray Tracing is nice to have since this card is entry level this feature. I’m now evga fans :mrgreen: , for €520 evga black it would be a best price for the performance on Turing architecture imo.

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October 29, 2018 11:21 am  

Thanks for the reply, I get decent enough frames with my 1070 @1440 but a little bit more wouldn't go amiss... maybe the 2070 would be the sweet spot! I'm a big EVGA fan too, in fact I only buy EVGA cards... although saying that I love the look of the founders editions of the RTX series. Sadly the cards are more expensive here in the UK - £550!

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October 29, 2018 6:03 pm  
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This is timespy from 2080 TB3 eGPU with 8750 on Blade 15 that TB3 isn’t directly connected to cpu unlike MacBook laptops that slightly lower graphics performance.
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/4717276

This is impressive, too, but you have to consider, that the eGPU Score is about the same. For some reason yet to understand my MacBook does underperform in the CPU Parts of the Tests- What is your score with Uniginie Valley?

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for €520 evga black it would be a best price for the performance on Turing architecture imo.

I have the EVGA GTX1080 Ti, but 520EUR? No way here... from where did you get it? Are you speaking about the RTX2070?

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October 30, 2018 11:25 pm  

@oliverb Those are very impressive numbers! It might be one of the biggest scores I've seen at the moment. 
Keep in mind it's just a benchmark, real scores like gaming FPS might be different. If you can please attach some gaming results, we might see a real difference.

I was thinking a lot about buying an 1080 Ti but those are more expensive and have huge availability issues for a while now. Buying used one is a lottery with so many Bitcoin miners. Also don't forget that 2080 still lacks some proper drivers and there are no games/apps that uses new technologies (except Shadow of Tomb Raider). I think the scores will be much better in the future. 

@eightarmedpet I upgraded from 1070 because it was lacking those extra 20-30 FPS and it is the sweet spot now, as expected. But I am still not sure if it was worth spending that extra money I could use for some new games for example. Deciding between 2070, 2080 and 1080 ti will be very hard. For me 2070 was not worth upgrading, 1080 ti was not available (used ones are often from crypto mining) so the 2080 was the way to go. 

As I said before, depending on what your whole build is, you can either play 60 FPS in 4K or you can play 144 FPS in 1080p/1440p.

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@oliverb Those are very impressive numbers! It might be one of the biggest scores I've seen at the moment. 
Keep in mind it's just a benchmark, real scores like gaming FPS might be different. If you can please attach some gaming results, we might see a real difference.

I have already posted itin another thread, but here is a result from Far Cry 5:

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