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joevt
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Oct 23, 2018 9:20 am  
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@joevt3 TB3 eGPU is working with my 5,1 running Win10 1803 + GC-Titan-Ridge. I used the Mantiz Venus enclosure and Radeon Pro WX 9100. AIDA64 confirmed x4 PCIe 2.0 connection for AIC.

Very nice. People have said that the new MacPro5,1 firmware provided with the Mojave update makes PCIe 3.0 cards run at PCIe 2.0 speed after boot.

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Oct 26, 2018 6:40 am  
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I was able to run lspci after adding WinIO.dll to Windows system folder. The output was too long so it's attached in the txt file. Also here are the BIOS screen captures.

Cheers! But what the hell? You only have one PCI segment / domain. I thought Threadripper has two PCIe root complexes which would mean two segments / domains.

Well that ruins everything. I needed more complexes to reserve more bus numbers....

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Oct 27, 2018 7:13 pm  

So I tried the GC card in an asrock X399 board with only the usb and 12V connectors and it works. WTF gigabyte, fix your shit! wouldn't even work with thb-c header cable.

Had to reboot a few times, and hotplug doesn't work of course. It can see a device in windows when you plug it in and "approve" it (I did permanently for obv reasons) then reboot once and install drivers. My portable akitio 10GbE works, so bus power is also good.

This is a bit weird, but seems to indicate that the TB card is storing whitelists on its own because there is no way the enumeration on boot could talk to windows that early.

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Nov 2, 2018 2:27 am  

Anyone know if daisy chaining works? I would love to try a Threadripper setup but I've got 3 Promise Thunderbolt RAID units that I need for my work.

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Nov 2, 2018 10:24 am  

I am still waiting for some amazing RTX 2080 benchmarks.

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Nov 16, 2018 5:20 am  

Hi @itsage --thanks for posting. I have a quick question if you have a minute. Also pinging @karatekid430 (edit: and @nova-nerd-12345 ) in case you've got thoughts!

In short: has connecting a SATA or SSD Thunderbolt drive on AMD been proven yet with Titan Ridge? I'm trying, and wondering if I've missed an obvious step.

I've got Titan Ridge, and have a 1950x Threadripper in an Asrock Taichi X399 board, using Windows 10, 1803. I've made it 90% of the way there using your guide, but am having trouble.

After booting, if I plug in a Thunderbolt 2 hard drive (Startech TB3 to Thunderbolt adapter) the Thunderbolt software correctly identifies the drive plugged in, brand name and all. The device is authorized but won't mount to read or write data to the drive. If I cold boot with the drive and adapter attached, the drive doesn't power on (bus power drive). Anything I'm missing in terms of cold boot? Or are HDD/SSDs not capable with Titan Ridge + AMD yet?

I'm now running the same BIOS version as you show in your screenshots.
BIOS has the slot as 4x4x4x4 currently so that the Titan Ridge card shows up in HWInfo.

Please advise--thanks in advance!

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Dec 5, 2018 7:54 am  

I used the Gigabyte GC-Titan-Ridge on my 2950x with asrock taichi x399 (win10) to connect my Promise R4 RAID. I did not connect the pci, usb and thb-c cable and it worked fine. What they are there for? Also daisy chaining with another Promise R4 is no problem.
Only rebooting everytime after connecting the raid is annoying. And you need to install the raid driver from the Promise-Website.

When I shut down and start the PC back again the raid is powered off everytime. I need to plugin the thunderbolt cable for starting it again. So every morning after booting I need replug the cable and reboot. I also use HFS+ because the raid is mac-formated. Sometimes copying don't progress in the middle of large files. 

So it works yes, but it is a bit annoying :/

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Dec 5, 2018 1:33 pm  

@dreamer I have only used the Apple adapter. What I found is that Thunderbolt 3 to older Thunderbolt connection in Windows doesn't allow expansion I/O to work. The only component work through this arrangement so far was the eGPU. I wonder if this is the same culprit with your Thunderbolt 2 drive. Give the Apple adapter a shot and see if it makes a difference.

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Dec 9, 2018 6:09 am  

Thanks for the replies and suggestion. I used the Apple adapter afterward, and got the same results. I ended up returning the card and am accepting that USB 3.1 gen2 is the fastest my machine will do for now.

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Dec 10, 2018 12:32 pm  
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After booting, if I plug in a Thunderbolt 2 hard drive (Startech TB3 to Thunderbolt adapter) the Thunderbolt software correctly identifies the drive plugged in, brand name and all. The device is authorized but won't mount to read or write data to the drive. If I cold boot with the drive and adapter attached, the drive doesn't power on (bus power drive). Anything I'm missing in terms of cold boot? Or are HDD/SSDs not capable with Titan Ridge + AMD yet?

I'm now running the same BIOS version as you show in your screenshots.
BIOS has the slot as 4x4x4x4 currently so that the Titan Ridge card shows up in HWInfo.

You said a cold boot doesn't work. Does a warm boot work?

A warm boot (or two?) is required after a new device is connected. With my Mac Pro 2008, I can daisy chain multiple devices including Thunderbolt 3, Thunderbolt 2, and Thunderbolt 1. One example chain:
OWC Thunderbolt 3 Dock -> OWC Thunderbolt 2 Dock -> Apple Thunderbolt 1 to FireWire adapter

The Apple Thunderbolt 1 to FireWire adapter is bus powered and seems to work ok. Maybe some bus powered devices don't work as you experienced. I wonder if the behavior would be improved if you placed the bus powered device after a self powered device? In the case of the Apple Thunderbolt to FireWire adapter, it doesn't matter where you connect it.

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Jan 14, 2019 4:49 am  

I found this thread looking for TB solutions to run my audio rig (Zen Studio+) and constructed an AMD 1920x system with ASRock Taichi X399 - mimicking @theitsage setup. 

Windows 10 does not seem to see the card at all, I have tried all 3 lower slots (the top used by a Nvidia card) and set the BIOS to x4x4x4x4. 

No idea where to go from here, suggestions?

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Jan 14, 2019 3:14 pm  

@devin Which BIOS version are you running on the X399 Taichi? My X399M is at 3.50 and had worked with 3.32A, 3.30, and 3.23B. Also make sure to download and install [17.4.77.400]. Which audio interface do you have? Does it get power from a separate power brick or rely on bus-power? In order for Windows 10 to detect the Thunderbolt 3 device, it needs to be connected at boot.

My mATX board only has three PCIe slots. The first slot has a Radeon Vega Frontier graphics card. The second has an ASUS Essence STX sound card. GC-Titan-Ridge occupies the third slot without PCIe power cables or TB3 header cable connected.

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Jan 15, 2019 6:16 am  

I grabbed the latest drivers from Gigabyte [17.4.77.400] and the latest BIOS from ASRock [3.50]. 

The interface is a Zen Studio+, I have booted with the interface on, it has its own power.

I am also using a TB2 to TB3 cable - I bought 2 different ones to try.

Shouldn't Windows see the Titan Ridge in Device Manager or with HWInfo regardless of what is attached?

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Jan 15, 2019 1:30 pm  

The Thunderbolt 3 device have to be connected prior to boot. Otherwise the AIC is not awake when the system boots into Windows. I have not tested Thunderbolt 2 or older devices with this setup. That may be the culprit. Read this Intel Titan Ridge discussion for more details.

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Feb 21, 2019 7:59 am  

I used the Gigabyte GC-Titan-Ridge on my 2950x with asrock taichi x399 (win10) to connect my Promise R4 RAID. But the Write speed is to slow (80mb/s). Normally It have to be over 400mb/s. Do anybody have an idea why?
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May 14, 2019 7:56 am  

Hi,

Mine won't even show up in the thunderbolt software in the system tray. I've tried to pull all my drive and the pegasus utility app can't even detect my R4. Do you have what's the problem occur? Thanks.

Jack

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May 23, 2019 12:25 pm  

Did you install all the drivers (Titan ridge, Promise https://www.promise.com/DownloadFile.aspx?DownloadFileUID=4541 ) and restarted your system?

Is there an entry in the bios at the pcie settings? Whats your Mainboard?

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Jun 1, 2019 9:16 am  

Thanks for the reply,
I have installed all the stuff you mention...my mainboard is Asrock x399m Taichi... But when I plug in my Western Digital my passport pro thunderbolt hard drive.  it shows up in the thunderbolt utility. But it's not showing up in my computer. Weird....so frustrated.

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Jun 2, 2019 6:21 pm  

Is a Western Digital my passport pro a thunderbolt 3 device? Im not sure if its capable of connecting something with a adapter.

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Jun 2, 2019 11:57 pm  

The My Passport Pro appears to be a Thunderbolt 1 device. There may be issues with Titan Ridge and some Thunderbolt 1 devices. Or it maybe that the My Passport Pro is bus powered and there's not enough power from the Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter. In that case, you should connect a Thunderbolt 2 Dock, and connect the My Passport Pro to the dock.

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Jun 4, 2019 4:08 pm  

Just for info, everything works fine on my TR1950x/taichi x399 with a 6Big 24Tb RAID 5 enclosure in TB3, and i'm getting expected disk speed 
Just some reboots after driver install and TB 3 device authorising 🙂

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Jun 5, 2019 3:34 pm  

@jackm Bus-powered Thunderbolt devices don't work through an adapter. Like @joevt recommended, you'd need a Thunderbolt /2 enclosure to daisy-chain off of the downstream TB port to use your WD My Passport Pro Thunderbolt external drive.

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Jun 6, 2019 7:28 am  

The Apple Thunderbolt to FireWire Adapter and Apple Thunderbolt to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter are both bus powered Thunderbolt 1 devices that appear to work with the Apple Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter and GC-TITAN RIDGE. The My Passport Pro might require more power, or it doesn't work well with Titan Ridge because it's a Thunderbolt 1 device. I don't know if the latter is an actual problem - I know that some (or all?) people are unable to get an Apple Thunderbolt 1 display to work with GC-TITAN RIDGE but I think it works fine with Macs that have Titan Ridge. The two Apple bus powered Thunderbolt 1 devices seem to work fine with GC-TITAN RIDGE.

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Jun 7, 2019 8:37 pm  

Did someone installed the Windows 10 1903 Update? When I do so, there is a bluescreen after connecting a tb3-Device and rebooting to make them function (Hotplug do not work. Still after the jumper-solution)

 

@Eudes Quittelier how fast is your RAID? For some reson mine (Promise R4)  is slow in writing

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