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February 6, 2017 7:25 pm  

I was lucky that a courier dropped off a box which turned out to be from an older production line. The box is huge, has a text "manufactured by TUL Corporation". Their consumer products are more commonly known as PowerColor, which is TUL's brand name. The chassis itself is heavy, painted metal, and easily configurable with a screwdriver. For example, you can change its 12cm intake and 8cm exhaust fans if you want to reduce the noise level and improve GPU cooling. I was a bit afraid of the industrial PSU due to its 4cm fan which often produces annoying buzzing sound. I was surprised to see a label on top of the Seasonic SS-500 L1U: "This fan may not rotate if the loading is under 50%". It may blow your installation guide on the floor on startup, but then it's totally silent. Even on heavy load, it blows in pulses, and was not annoying at all.

Automate-eGPU.sh v1.0 script detected the device, even though it says "unsupported" under Thunderbolt device tree. KhaosT's TB3 enabler removed the "unsupported" string, and it was helpful if you want to hot-plug the device for eGPU detection, but it did not enable anything else. Alternatively, you can just remove the device detection part from automate-eGPU.sh or boot from the cold power state to get the card visible in the system registry.

As for Maxwell and Kepler card compatibility on macOS, my results were similar to Appleinsider's article:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/01/17/powercolors-thunderbolt-3-devil-box-is-the-easiest-way-to-get-an-external-gpu-on-the-macbook-pro

I tested both the EVGA GTX 780 6GB SC and reference Gigabyte GTX 980 on macOS 10.12.3 - they both worked out of the box. As expected, the older GTX 780 still blows away GTX 980 in OpenGL benchmark. Nvidia has optimized drivers for Kepler architecture:

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/08/31/mac-driver/

However, the difference was not big and I prefer GTX 980 because it's much more silent. Remember that Nvidia does not officially support Maxwell architecture on macOS and it is uncertain whether we will see Pascal support in the future.

Unfortunately, TUL's TB3 firmware 17,17 is not compatible with AMD drivers on macOS 10.12.3, but on the Windows 10 Boot Camp side, it's close to plug-and-play. Both Nvidia and AMD cards worked with a Late 2016 13" MBP (non-touch bar). The only thing you have to do is to apply apple_set_os.efi to activate the internal screen, and use Windows 10 version 10.0.10586.

I like the tower style, smaller footprint. I just need something better than styrofoam to elevate the bottom for cables, and longer TB3 cable 🙂

 
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February 6, 2017 11:00 pm  

GTX 780 vs GTX 980. Preset: Extreme HD.

The original 500W PSU is sealed by a metal holder. If you can detach it, mounting a SFX PSU might be possible.

 

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February 7, 2017 11:45 pm  

Very interesting! Didn't know Kepler is faster than Maxwell on macOS.

 DEvilBox is very good reading this and AppleInsider's article, but really can't stand this design!

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March 1, 2017 5:12 pm  

could you post some more pics how you mounted the sfx psu? just ordered the corsair sf450
i had already a rough idea how to do it, but some input might be helpful 🙂

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March 1, 2017 6:06 pm  

Unfortunately it is nearly impossible to remove the original PSU. You need to bend the metal holder around the PSU, and it will likely void your warranty.

The 8cm exhaust fan is noisy. I recommend 2 x 12cm Noctua fans if you want silence.

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March 1, 2017 6:42 pm  

That last photo is exactly what pisses me off about the Devil Box. Look at all that empty space under the GPU. Why is it there? What is it for? It is useless, and all it does is make the enclosure eat up more space. Argh.

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March 1, 2017 6:47 pm  

actually i removed the original psu already... (and ordered some new fans beside the psu as well)

i'm interested how you mounted the sfx psu exactly, the only picture you posted looks nice but does not show any details

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March 1, 2017 7:03 pm  

@Yukikaze: It is approximately Akitio Node’s height.

The empty space on the right is for external SSDs. I’ve removed the mounting bracket.

I don’t understand the empty space under the GPU. However, this enclosure is not designed to be portable. It’s a good docking station with 60W power delivery to charge your laptop via TB3 cable only.

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March 1, 2017 7:15 pm  

The Node is also pretty damn huge. I've seen one in the labs here at work and it is also way too big. These things should be just big enough to fit a large GPU and maybe have a single 2.5" drive slot (although they can also easily use a m.2 slot for a SSD on the opposite side of the PCB to save more space). The power-supply should be the smallest, thinnest, 300W unit they can find. Seriously, it is ridiculous how much extra space these things have. This isn't about portability, it is about desk space.

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March 1, 2017 7:52 pm  

@Yukikaze: Yep, I know what you mean:

https://www.dan-cases.com/dana4.php

@Daelin, I've not mounted the SFX PSU, the photo is just illustrative. Here's another:

Not sure why you would want to do that but good luck in your project! 🙂

 

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March 1, 2017 9:42 pm  

@Yukikaze

.... the Razer Core is about the same size 😀

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March 2, 2017 7:28 am  
Posted by: goalque

 Not sure why you would want to do that but good luck in your project! 🙂

 

well, after i returned my first copy of the devil box because the psu seemed to me defect (in terms of noise), i've got another copy that was a bit quieter but still way to loud to work with in a relative quiet environment (my monitor is the loudest device and this is already annoys me sometimes...)

therefore i read a lot of reviews and then decided to go with the corsair sf450 and two arctic f silent fans for a complete quiet system 🙂

in approximately two weeks i will show you my results (hopefully, since i depend on my professor at university to print some parts to mount the psu)

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March 2, 2017 8:08 am  

Is it the same PSU? Seasonic SS-500 L1U: This fan may not rotate if the loading is under 50%.

It doesn't produce any noise.

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March 2, 2017 11:57 am  

thats wired, mine is summing the whole time. not the fan but the voltage converter or whatever electronics it is. since others reported the same behaviour of the psu i assumed it is normal...

either i had bad luck with my copy two times, or it is depending on the input voltage. do you use your device with 110v or 230v supply voltage? (i live in europe and use 230v)

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March 2, 2017 1:52 pm  

230V here too. My Devil Box has the older TI82 power delivery chip. Are you sure that the source is the PSU? Remove all the fans to confirm.

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March 2, 2017 5:43 pm  

i removed all fans and it is still noisy, so i really had bad luck two times... ?!? maybe they were both from a defect patch...

so maybe i should return my devil box once more... anyone else with similar experiences?

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March 2, 2017 5:51 pm  

Can you describe the sound. Is it buzzing, high frequency…? TB3 components and the GPU itself can produce noise as well. Do you have TI82 or TI83 chip?

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March 2, 2017 6:07 pm  

i just recheckt it, the noise is definitely comming from the psu (since i have it external it's easy to allocate). 
the sound is like the old cheap PSUs from the 90s a electronic buzzing (it's not a really high frequence)

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March 2, 2017 6:34 pm  

I rechecked as well, removed Noctua fans and GPU, and now I hear a minor "buzzing". The GPU surely makes louder coil whine than this PSU. A good reference of what is annoying to me, is R9 Nano’s coil whine.

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March 2, 2017 8:16 pm  

well, i guess that i really had bad luck with both of my copies. but since replacing my devil box is really complex (restore original state, send back on my own cost, request refund for shipment, possible reorder a skull canyon from amazon just to flash the new firmware and return it afterwards, etc etc...)
i will keep my copy and just replace the psu, when selling the old one it does not cost me more than 50€ and is waaaay easier 🙂

but thanks for you effort, really appreciate it!

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March 3, 2017 3:20 am  
Posted by: goalque

 

Unfortunately it is nearly impossible to remove the original PSU. You need to bend the metal holder around the PSU, and it will likely void your warranty.

The 8cm exhaust fan is noisy. I recommend 2 x 12cm Noctua fans if you want silence.

   

goalque,

I'm also irritated by the insane amount of noise that the Devil Box's exhaust fan is producing. I have an 80mm Noctua I can replace it with, however, the stock fan seems proprietary... Almost like a standard 4-pin, but slim.

http://imgur.com/a/smvbd

How did you go about replacing it with your Noctua?

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June 18, 2017 9:23 am  

 Hi goalque,

I have a question about the ethernet port. Does this port work out of the box?

I also have the Powercolor Devil Box but I can´t see the Ethernet under "about this Mac" - "System report".

I think this can be a failure in the Devil Box. It is possible that you post a screenshot from your "working" ethernet Port? 

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February 2, 2018 7:50 pm  

@goalque i have now a new macbook pro 15" 2017 and my new 1080ti works fine in both systems bun in windows i cant use the usb ports of the devil box. have you experiences similar issues?

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March 3, 2018 10:57 pm  

So this is extremely cheap on Newegg right now (249.99 with 50 rebate so 199.99 essentially).  I was looking to purchase the Mantiz Venus Egpu but this one looks similar to its capabilities.  I am reading pretty extreme reviews on either side with this egpu.  Some people say its garbage and others say that it take some work and can be a very capable egpu.  I was hoping you guys could give some feedback.  I have a gtx 1080 ti SC2 and plan on using a kaby lake 8th gen 2-in-1 (havent purchased it yet).  Ive heard that the  graphics card height plays a huge role.  My gpu is 4.66 inches tall and 10.6 inches long.  Does this seem like it would give me trouble with the installation?  I have no problem with replacing fans for quieter ones and can change out the psu if need be.  Also performance wise does this hold up, or would I be looking at some hits compared to other Egpu’s such as the Mantiz Venus. Thanks in advance.

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