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I hope they do something with the iMac soon - a friend had an older iMac hard drive fail, and asked if getting the drive replaced or just buying a new iMac would be a better option (this was the kids' computer, he has a 2014 5k i7/1TB SSD). I was kind of stunned at how bad the iMac looks for the money now, compared to the base of the laptop line since they upped the storage.

You can get a perfectly fine MacBook Air (i5 quad core/8GB/500GB SSD) for $1299, but that's the base price of the 4k 21.5" with an i3 and a 1TB 5400rpm hard drive (not even Fusion Drive), and six years after the introduction of the 5k iMac, you have to spend $1799 minimum to get one.

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Apple is in a tough spot with the iMac pricing. It's a "family computer" and large capacity drive is more important than speed. Still it's unacceptable that a new computer in 2020 comes with only spinning drive. I wonder if they are doing without the lower cost 21" model too.

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I'd almost put money on the rumoured "gaming Mac" to actually be an iMac Pro with a 120hz display and  RX5700X, but that's going to be the high end.

TBH that base iMac is a good deal, build out a similar Spec PC (just tried https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qK4NHB) - that's prob not the best bang for buck you can get but is comparable to the iMac but very similar price and it doesn't have 4TB3 ports or a beautiful all in one form factor.

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🤔 Hmmm...

Intel has stopped building their 8th Gen i3-8300, i5-8500B and i7-8700B processors...

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@mini-i5, not at all. Production will continue until December. Intel just announced that they will cease taking orders in December, and the last shipments are set for June 2021. Apple will likely have stock to last them well into next year.

The real problem for Apple is that there really isn't much to replace the 8th gen i7 with due to the thermal constraints the Mac mini has. Barring another redesign of the cooling system there is a negligible performance difference between the 8th gen and newer parts fit to the TDP of the mini. Geekbench shows the 8th gen i7 having roughly the same single thread performance as the 9th gen i9 in the MacBook Pro 16", with only slightly worse multi-core scores. Which is natural considering the i7 simply has fewer cores. The 10th gen is looking no better than the 9th either, living on TDP expensive clock hikes for its performance. The mini's thermal design and Intels 14nm lineup woes simply make for a dead-end.

If I were Apple I'd continue the Mac mini as is until Intel gets their 10nm Rocket Lake out of the door. Or have Intel produce a multicore Ice Lake part that, even if the single thread performance is lower, gets the multi-core performance up to snuff.

Of course, I wouldn't mind if Apple decided on a redesign. A larger Mac mini Pro if you will. But I'm not entirely sure Apple has any interest in catering to that market. They certainly haven't shown an interest up until now. And in fairness I quite like the extensible philosophy that is at the core of the mini.

Edit: EOL timeline was off. Has been updated. 

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@leovinus

Thanks. I'd be surprised if the Mini is refreshed prior to the arrival of (Mac) ARM processors.

Yes, Apple does have beaucoup Intel 8th Gen CPU stock - socketed into the motherboards of unsold 21.5" iMacs! Shipping time is (2) business days. Apple will be drawing down that particular surplus for awhile.

But now with Apple quoting over 2-weeks to deliver a 27" iMac model(!) - something new seems to be on the way...

 

 

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@mini-i5, ARM is a definitive possibility. I don't know when we'd see that exactly though. Apple is laying the ground work with tools for cross compiling and running iOS apps on MacOS, and they've certainly got a MacOS version on ARM already for testing purposes somewhere on campus. So ARM should pose less of a challenge than the move from PowerPC. As the underlying hardware parses instructions similarly to x86 it makes a Rosetta-esque solution potentially more performant this time around. So it certainly is only a question of when at this point.

But I'm not sure that Apple would be wise to start from the bottom up with ARM introduction. A lot of people suggest that low end MacBooks etc. are ripe for ARM. But I'm not so sure. Low power devices would be harder pressed to emulate x86, and splitting the user-base into low end users and high end users in this way smells of the Chrome book bog-mire to me. If anything the migration should start from the top and work its way down unless it's an across the board revamp. Those are the platforms developers will be working on and serve as heralds of the strengths of ARM on desktop.

 

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@leovinus

Otoy (with lots of help from Apple) currently has builds of their Octane X render running on ARM.

At this point, Otoy can only say these builds are for the iPad and iPhone(!).

We'll probably see a nice demo from Otoy at WWDC time.

 

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New iMac model with SSD and Navi GPU reveal coming at WWDC.

Allegedly. 🤓

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@mini-i5, the iMac has me interested... I would put money on this being what people have been calling "the gaming Mac". I expect it to have a variable refresh rate screen too (up to 120hz).

I'm usually overly optimistic (thought the touch bar was going to also have Leap Motion like controls) so maybe the variable refresh rate wont happen, but oh boy, would I like it to... lots of exciting announcements towards the later half of this year, will be interesting to see where I end up set up wise.

 

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