US$7 mPCIe eGPU adapter [PCE164P-N03] (inc NGFF/M.2)  

 

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► US$6.67 [US link] for 6-pin (PCIe)

(best to use with 220W Dell DA-2 PSU

 

► US$6.37 for mini (DC 5.5×2.5mm)  

 

 

► US$5.85 for 4-pin (molex)

 

As appears in the Buyer’s Guide -> mini PCIe tab along with known issues and other pre-purchase questions.

 

Pros

  • At US$7 it much more affordable than a US$39 EXP GDC & doesn’t require power stabilizing ferrite beads either
  • uses a x16 slot to hold the video card, though mPCIe only has x1 electrically wired
  • does reliable Gen2 signalling, something that EXP GDC has been patchy at
  • Has a ATX jack, DC jack and 6-pin PCIe input power version to supply the 12V/75W slot power

 

Cons

  • has no 8-pin Dell DA-2 PSU input, though 6-pin PCIe version of this adapter can use this:  US$3 Dell DA-2 to PCIe splitter
  • no delay circuit to bypass a black bootup screen, though EXP GDC’s PTD delay switch for that is unreliable anyway
  • short 40cm interconnect cable.  Requires a US$2 USB 3.0 100cm extension cable (male-female) as used in the video below, successfully at Gen2 speed, to make it usable.
  • round USB 3.0 cable cannot slide under underside panel openings as the flat HDMI cable used in EXP GDC can
  • when using a ATX PSU(eg: 4-pin molex version) it requires jumpering the GREEN+BLACK lines on the 20/24pin connector as shown to switch on the ATX PSU
  • there is no expresscard version of this adapter

 

Successful implementation videos with this adapter

 


Youtube video of it in action with an Acer 4755 under Win10

 

Mateus, the first video creator below,  may submit a future implementation guide using this eGPU adapter. He’s using the aforementioned blue USB 3.0 extender cable in this video with reliable Gen2 signalling.

 


NGFF (M.2) version

 

Also at < US$10 pricepoint.  It uses the same PCE164P-N03 PCIe board just a different interface mating adapter (NGFF.M2).  It's also been added to the Buyer’s Guide -> M.2 adapters.

 

NGFF.M2 adapterPCE164P-N03
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Price US$$7   &
Max PCIe bandwidth8Gbps – x1 3.0 (6th gen i-core CPU or newer)
4Gbps – x1 2.0 (2nd-5th gen i-core CPU)
Input PSU sourceATX
Cable typesocketted
Spare cableUS$2 extension
Vendor page
Implementationslink

 

 

 


Longer or flat cable options

 

The supplied, somewhat inflexible round and short 40cm cable is something this solution could improve on. Here are some longer & flatter options I’ve found with web searches.

Notes:

1. This eGPU adapter’s mPCIe/NGFF  end looks to be using a mini-B USB socket.

2. The supplied cable has no markings to suggest it’s USB 3.0 spec  but has operated at up to Gen3 (8Ghz) speed here.

3. A shorter cable has a better chance of running at Gen2 or higher link speed. A longer cable has signal attentuation.

4. A flat cable may thread easier beneath your system and results in a physically stable system if  sitting it on the cable.

 

A longer Gen2 compliant cable

 

For users wanting a longer cable rated at Gen2 link speed, there’s a US$2 100cm USB 3.0 Superspeed mini-B round cable.

 

Flat cable options

 

No USB 3.0 versions found so there these may be problematic with Gen2 link speed.


US$3 35cm flat cable (most likely to run Gen2 speed from these)US$3 150cm flat cable

US$4 150cm flat cable sold out on dx.com . A LaCie replica  (1.2m),  also mostly sold out.


 

Please provide cabling feedback to this thread

 

If you go ahead with this cable purchase,  please provide thread feedback so we know what works.

 

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August 11, 2017 11:45 am  

I ordered one with a 6 pin power connector & implemented an eGPU with it. Details at:
2012 15″ Lenovo ThinkPad Edge E531 GT740M + GTX1060@4Gbps-mPCIe2 (PCE164P-N03) + Win10

 

My plan is to set up rx 560 with it. But before I run out and get it I’ll test it out with en9600gt on Lenovo E531, if of course I am successful in spoofing pci id. Hopefully your software will help..

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2012 15" Lenovo ThinkPad Edge E531 GT740M + GTX1060@4Gbps-mPCIe2 (PCE164P-N03) + Win10


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August 15, 2017 8:12 am  

I highly recommend this generic mPCIE compared to EXP GDC when it comes to GEN2 signaling base on my experience. Its CHEAP and very RELIABLE! I am currently using this to replace my GDC EXP..Tnx Nando for the video and info on how to set-up on this. The major issues here are: A.how to fit the thick mini-usb port under the panel of the laptop and B.how to power -up the PSU as shown on the video, otherwise everything is perfectly fine. 


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August 15, 2017 8:23 am  

spopovich, thank you for the feedback. I too was under the impression the core functionality of this eGPU adapter (glitch-free Gen2 functionality) is superior to the EXP GDC that costs nearly 7 times more. A sore spot was lack of Dell DA-2 PSU input which is now linked to in the opening post. Thank you also for the heads up. I’ve add using the paperclip trick to jumper an ATX PSU.

As we have as yet no implementation guide on using this eGPU adapter, would you like to submit one start the ball rolling with this eGPU adapter?

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August 18, 2017 6:51 pm  

Sorry to ask this if this is a obvious question, I just do not know. 

Would the 6 pin connector be valid for RX570 and/or RX580?

Thanks

 

 


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August 18, 2017 6:56 pm  

@Bjorg, the 6-pin version of this eGPU adapter takes a PCIe plug as input from your power supply to provide the 75W slot power required. Your video card may then have it’s own 6 or 8-pin PCIe plugs which would also need to be connected to your power supply to fully power the video card once it’s inserted into this Generic x1-to-x16 extender eGPU adapter’s PCIe slot.

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August 20, 2017 7:25 am  

@nando4

Any idea if ExpressCard USB 3.0 adapters like this carry a PCI-E signal as well as USB? If they do then this $7 adapter may just work with ExpressCard 2.0 laptops as well. 

 

Here’s what Wikipedia says about the EC-USB 3.0 connection:

The ExpressCard 2.0 standard was introduced on March 4, 2009, at CeBIT in Hannover. It provides a single PCIe 1.0 2.5 Gbit/s lane (optionally PCIe 2.0 with 5 Gbit/s) and a USB 3.0 “SuperSpeed” link with a raw transfer speed of 5 Gbit/s (effective transfer speed up to 400 MB/s).[25][26] It is forward and backward compatible with earlier ExpressCard modules and slots. ExpressCard 2.0 products were expected to be in the market by late 2010.[27]

USB 3.0 SuperSpeed compatibility is achieved by sharing the pins with the PCIe link. An inserted card signals which mode should be used.


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August 20, 2017 7:37 am  

There is not as yet an expresscard version of this eGPU adapter

@ ybodhanya, that ebay-linked expresscard adapter converts PCIe to USB.

To use this eGPU adapter with an expresscard requires just a passive rewiring of expresscard to the USB 3.0 mini USB pinout they are using to tranfer PCIe signals. I have not seen the expresscard that mates with this adapter. It would be good if they made one as it seems this adapter has better electromagnetic noise suppression than the significantly pricier EXP GDC that requires ferrite beads as a fix.

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August 28, 2017 11:00 am  

Can I use https://www.amazon.in/Rrimin-Express-Extender-Adapter-107793/dp/B072HJ3379/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503916959&sr=8-1&keywords=mining+adapter

This adapter insted of the one you mentioned for Mining because the one which you said is not sold in India.


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August 28, 2017 11:18 am  

@Mayur, the adapter you’ve linked has a x1 PCIe riser/extender with a x1 PCIe end.  This is for use on a desktop system’s PCIe slot and not suitable for your Lenovo G500s notebook. Instead, you require a mPCIe ended adapter to use in place of it’s wifi card.

This topic’s US$7 mPCIe eGPU adapter can be purchased on ebay, aliexpress and Amazon.  Please check to see which of those ships to India.

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October 24, 2017 10:40 pm  

Hi all new here. I’m looking to purchase the mini version with the DC jack. Would like to know if those universal laptop AC adaptors will work with it?

Looking to power the new Nvidia Geforce GT 1030 so that wont draw a lot of power.


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October 25, 2017 7:33 am  

DC jack version requires 5.5*2.5 mm DC adapter like this 120W AC Adapter Charger (£23) or eFreesia 12V 10A 120W (US$17). A 60W or 90W AC adapter might cost less.  Consider that the DC jack only supplies slot power so you’re limited to 75W there.  That’s plenty for your GT1030.

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October 25, 2017 8:14 am  

Will the AmazonBasics USB 3.0 Extension Cable work ? , It does say its shielded just like the one mentioned  here in this post

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October 25, 2017 8:38 am  

@favas0, longer cables such as the 6.5ft one you’ve linked attenuate the signals more. It can certainly work at Gen1 speed. Gen2 speed may be problematic because of the signal attenuation. You won’t know until you try.

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November 17, 2017 6:37 pm  

I’ll pick one of these up early next week and report on my findings.

The shop i went to (15 miles away) pick up my power supply from has them in stock for bit mining, i wasn’t aware that these could be used for an egpu until just now or i would of bought one when i was there 2 days ago..

Do i need nando’s software to use gen 2?

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Posted by: Bassit

I’ll pick one of these up early next week, the shop i went to (15 miles away) pick up my power supply from has them in stock for bit mining, i wasn’t aware that these could be used for an egpu until just now or i would of bought one when i was there 2 days ago..

Most mining adapters are PCIe x1 to PCIe x16. They are not mPCIe or m.2 to PCIe x16. Be careful with that you buy.

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November 17, 2017 6:44 pm  

Thank you…

You just saved me a trip and £12, you are correct it does have a PCIe slot.

It is the same, card just the wrong lead, i’ll give em a ring and see if they can get the other cables.

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December 11, 2017 1:01 pm  

I ordered the 4 pin molex version from the link in the OP, it has taken around 4 weeks to turn up in the UK.

Unfortunatly i cant get it to work, or more accurately i cant get it to fit in the mPcie slot…First off the mPcie card was too long to sit in the slot properly, it sat at a 45deg angle, i trimmed it down to just above the first screw holes and it now fits in the slot and can be screwed down…But the micro usb lead will not fit into the slot on the card because the usb lead is too stiff and hits the plastic on the laptop casing…I guess this is why the EXP GDC uses the thin hdmi cabling.

I measured the EXP GDC cable from the end of the socket (gold pins) to the start of where the cable bends to avoid hitting the case…This was around 27mm.

The length of the PCE164P micro usb card (gold pins) to the end of the reinforced plastic part of the micro usb socket was around 57mm and even after that the cable is very stiff and isnt easy to get any bend.

So check carefully how much space you have to install your mPcie card and cabling before ordering.


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December 20, 2017 8:12 pm  

I used the mPCIe version of this adapter to successfully bootstrap quick & cheap eGPU implementation on Dell Latitude E6440:  https://egpu.io/forums/implementation-guides/2014-dell-latitude-e6440-gtx660pce164p-n03-mpcie-x1gen2-windows-8-1/


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December 22, 2017 5:56 pm  

Would this be ok to use? I have been looking for a tidier soloution and it would also allow the use of PCIe versions of the PCE164P which is widely available.

If this isnt of any use does anyone know of anywhere to buy a mPCIe to mPCIe extender?

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December 22, 2017 6:23 pm  
Posted by: Bassit

Would this be ok to use? I have been looking for a tidier soloution and it would also allow the use of PCIe versions of the PCE164P which is widely available.

If this isnt of any use does anyone know of anywhere to buy a mPCIe to mPCIe extender?

If you can confirm that the extension is shielded I don’t see why not. 

Laptop : Lenovo z410 ( i5-4200m GT740M 12GB 1TB-SSD) running Windows 10 Pro build 14393 // Hot-Plug Enabled BIOS
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December 22, 2017 6:29 pm  

Thanks for the reply favas.

I’ll send em an email and ask if it is sheilded but you would expect it to be.


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December 22, 2017 9:22 pm  

Move longer/flatter cable options to the opening post:

https://egpu.io/forums/expresscard-mpcie-m-2-adapters/us7-50-generic-mpcie-egpu-adapter/

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December 23, 2017 1:15 pm  

Thanks for the cable suggestions.

I emailed the company in my post above and asked if the cable is sheilded and got this reply

“only 30cms cable will be shield ,10,20cms will be no problem during usement.”,

30cm is probably the correct length for me anyway, there is a slight problem though the extender is only offered with a 10cm & 20cm cable on the site.


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