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Terrible Kareon Kable experience  

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spiderface
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And it just keeps getting worse.

I wasted a lot of time and money with this cable. I purchased one from kareonkables.com and it would not work on arrival. Since his cable is "confidential" there was no way for me to verify that it was wired properly myself. Many pictures were sent to the creator to verify that the cable was wired properly and I was reassured with the utmost confidence that it was. I returned the cable and my separately purchased DA-2 thinking the DA-2 was defective and went another route with an ATX. Turns out that he messed up creating my cable and it was not wired properly - they let me know when they received it at their shop when I spent my own money shipping it back to them. I ended up wasting hours troubleshooting and returning the cable and DA-2, and all of the shipping costs for the DA-2 and cable return.

The cherry on top of all this is the dialog after he received my returned cable <image attached>:

 

I don't recommend doing business with Kareon Kables at all. Not only are they prone to error while conducting business and profanity while conducting business, the cable won't even fit properly in a Thunder2/Thunder3 without modification (though it does plainly say this on their website). It's a low quality product from a low quality vendor that could have ended up damaging my expensive equipment.

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Yukikaze
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I don't understand how he could "goof" with a cable. Doesn't he test them before sending them out? An disconnected pin would be pretty obvious (unless it detached during transit, in which case the packaging and the quality of solder work is suspect).

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itsage
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It does not seem like there’s any QA. Same issue as reported last December by another member who bought this cable. 

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B Wesley
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Have been looking at their eBay presence (it looks like their Amazon store was shut down) and wanted to know more about the experience finding custom cabling.

I had to make my own wiring harness by dremeling an ATX header and then matching the wiring scheme from the $3 DA-2 tutorial  

I wished that someone had been around to sell the $4 product I made for myself ($2 for a de-pinned ATX 20-Pin or 24-Pin F connector, $1 for a PCIE 6+2 pin Y-splitter, $1 for the tool). All that I could find was these $30 cables and a huge, angry diatribe in their advertisements about "buying American" which also ironically hadn't been proofread for English comprehension... Not that there's anything wrong with entrepreneurs from everyone serving a need and a market, but you think there'd be much healthier vendors/competition. 🙁

Sys1: MITX Desktop in InWin Chopin
i5-4570 + 1060 6GB + PCIe 1x adapter (over USB3.0 copper)
Sys2: Dell 15 Latitude 3542
i3-4030U + 1060 6GB + mPCIe adapter for PCIe 1x (over USB3.0 copper)
Sys3:Dell 14 Inspiron E5450
i7-6500U + 1060 6GB + NGFF M.2 A/E --> mPCIe adapter
+ mPCIe adapter for PCIe 1x (over USB3.0 copper)
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Arbystrider
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I'm wondering how much hassle and toxicity would have been saved here if OP were proficient with a multimeter and soldering iron.

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B Wesley
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Why on earth should you have to use either of those on a $5 harness you paid $30 for ...

I wanted to buy a product. I ended up dremeling, re-pinning, and Posi-Twisting my own solution just because an affordable, reliable adapter didn't exist.  Biting at OP doesn't solve that gap. 

 

Sys1: MITX Desktop in InWin Chopin
i5-4570 + 1060 6GB + PCIe 1x adapter (over USB3.0 copper)
Sys2: Dell 15 Latitude 3542
i3-4030U + 1060 6GB + mPCIe adapter for PCIe 1x (over USB3.0 copper)
Sys3:Dell 14 Inspiron E5450
i7-6500U + 1060 6GB + NGFF M.2 A/E --> mPCIe adapter
+ mPCIe adapter for PCIe 1x (over USB3.0 copper)
Sys4:Pending


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OliverB
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About what exactly are you talking about? I don't understand a word.

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Arbystrider
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I, too, would like to know where a dremel would have come into all this.

Perhaps OP wanted to do a custom fan mount as well?

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B Wesley
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Okay, quick breakdown of timeline thus far ...
1. OP appeared to need a DA-2 to PCIe wiring adapter. 

2. He bought a cable from a vendor with legendarily bad reviews and posted about it, here, a while ago. 

3. In 2019, I couldn't find ANY other vendors in this space, so I necro-bumped to ask what other shops exist and if anyone else had experience with this specific shop. I had the same issue and had to make my own wiring adapter.

4. To do so, I trimmed an old ATX 20-pin connector (with a dremel ... this seems to *reeeeally* excite some of you, so, there you go) down to an 8-pin connector, then re-pinned it to fit on to a 6-pin Y-splitter.

5. I was surprised somebody actually suggested consumers should have to (a ) do any of this, or even (b ) bust out a soldering iron and specialty electrician's equipment, just to plug a PSU into a GPU. My interest is in seeing this community much more varied and to see wider access to 3D games on older hardware. I assume the forum's interest is in lowering the barrier for entry?

8 pin to 6 pin
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Sys1: MITX Desktop in InWin Chopin
i5-4570 + 1060 6GB + PCIe 1x adapter (over USB3.0 copper)
Sys2: Dell 15 Latitude 3542
i3-4030U + 1060 6GB + mPCIe adapter for PCIe 1x (over USB3.0 copper)
Sys3:Dell 14 Inspiron E5450
i7-6500U + 1060 6GB + NGFF M.2 A/E --> mPCIe adapter
+ mPCIe adapter for PCIe 1x (over USB3.0 copper)
Sys4:Pending


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Arbystrider
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Posted by: Cardfire

I was surprised somebody actually suggested consumers should have to (a ) do any of this, or even (b ) bust out a soldering iron and specialty electrician's equipment

A $10 multimeter and $10 iron are hardly "specialty" electrician's equipment. Nobody here is telling you to buy a Fluke 87 or a Pace PRC-2000.

Posted by: Cardfire

I assume the forum's interest is in lowering the barrier for entry?

I have seen no such mission statement anywhere on this forum.

eGPUs (up until the advent of plug-and-play TB3 eGFX boxes) have always required some level of technical knowledge to implement. Be it software kludges like DSDT overrides or fiddling with PCI compaction settings, or hardware hacks such as cutting holes in the bottom cover of your laptop to accomodate M.2/mPCIe cables or, so help me, putting together your own power cable to make sure 12V is 12V and GND is GND.

"Consumers should not have to do this"
Who said eGPUs were a typical "consumer" use case (up until TB3 eGFX boxes came out)?

What next? "Consumers should be able to plug in their eGPU box and have fun, why should we have to buy our own "specialty" computer equipment like graphics cards and power supplies and have to figure out how to install them"?

"Why do consumers have to do our own research to figure out if <x> enclosure and PSU will work with <y> graphics card? Why do I need a Master's degree in EE to understand all these wattage requirements?"

eGPUs have been simplified a lot over the years to the point where large firms like Razer and Apple mass-produce and market these devices to mainstream consumers. eGPUs have evolved and come a long way from a single thread on NBR delving into highly-technical details like how NV GPUs before Fermi had no Optimus capability, and coming up with the Ultramon/Chung-gun method to work around that and get accelerated internal LCD functionality. But the fact remains that some homework still needs to be done on the part of the user, and that some level of technical competence is required when no ready-made, industrially-designed solution exists.

"Consumers should not have to do this".

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ThinkPad X230t, i7-3520M @ 2.9 GHz, Windows 7
EVGA GTX 1070 Hybrid, 2113 MHz @ 1043 mV
x1.2Opt, PE4C V3.0, 4Gbps-EC2


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