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DrEGPU
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Posted by: Yukikaze

How exactly is this the world's first TB3 graphics card if this is just another non-upgrade-able eGPU? By the term, Sonnet did it a long time ago, as did Lenovo.

Not to mention Apple/BlackMagic. I don't get it...

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Posted by: Yukikaze

How exactly is this the world's first TB3 graphics card if this is just another non-upgrade-able eGPU? By the term, Sonnet did it a long time ago, as did Lenovo.

Why do we need PCIe slots? We know that a desktop graphics card is not the ideal form factor in a small enclosure, considering heat dissipation and noise. I understand this idea: you buy an affordable mITX chassis, this card held with four screws, a PSU and that's all.

It would make even more sense, if they sold motherboards with a CPU socket:

https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/9qv7gw/is_it_possible_to_get_a_miniitx_pc_with/

"However it is possible to design a custom motherboard that can act as both a source and a sink for TB3 and the user can toggle between PC mode and egpu mode but I doubt anyone would make such a thing as the market would be extremely niche."

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I totally misunderstood the original concept in the OP.  So it's just an RX 570 eGPU with more IO?

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steve4332
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Hmm. I just put together a Zotac Mini Box and an RX570 ITX card. I am curious about the price of this new thing. If buying an mini ITX case, a PSU and this board + a generic cooler is cheaper, it might have made more sense to go this route...

I think the best would be to release a cheap mini ITX compatible TB3 "motherboard" with a PCI-E port and some usual backplate I/O ports (USB, LAN, etc) and the usual headers for the case (power button, indicator, USB headers, etc). This way everyone could simply build his own eGPU (choosing the appropriate case, PSU and GPU).

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@steve4332 Yes, good point. The price. My XG Station Pro is quite expensive as an empty enclosure.

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Actually developing something similar with a few engineer buddies of mine for the DIY, non-TB implementation eGPU. 🙂

 

ITX (non thin) mobo are 170mm square. Most tiny towers could support the shorter, low-watt cards but securely mounting the GPU's as well as thermal considerations are the challenge. 

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Sys3:Dell 14 Inspiron E5450
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goalque
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More info and photos, google translated:

http://www.gdm.or.jp/crew/2019/0528/306684

- It also has a DIN connector for connecting a 19V AC adapter
- the Mini-ITX case manufactured by Cooler Master was used for the exhibition, but we do not know whether it will be commercialized or not.

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Yukikaze
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Posted by: goalque
Posted by: Yukikaze

How exactly is this the world's first TB3 graphics card if this is just another non-upgrade-able eGPU? By the term, Sonnet did it a long time ago, as did Lenovo.

Why do we need PCIe slots? We know that a desktop graphics card is not the ideal form factor in a small enclosure, considering heat dissipation and noise. I understand this idea: you buy an affordable mITX chassis, this card held with four screws, a PSU and that's all.

It would make even more sense, if they sold motherboards with a CPU socket:

https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/9qv7gw/is_it_possible_to_get_a_miniitx_pc_with/

"However it is possible to design a custom motherboard that can act as both a source and a sink for TB3 and the user can toggle between PC mode and egpu mode but I doubt anyone would make such a thing as the market would be extremely niche."

The reason we need PCIe slots is because we want to use commodity video cards, rather than custom-built solutions that tend to cost significantly more and are also few and far between. Heat dissipation and noise remain of exactly the same concern here as well, since we are using the same GPUs just on a different board.

If this were to catch on, it might be a decent way to make sure of basic slotless mITX cases by replacing the internals, but the pricing and availability will be what makes or breaks this type of solution, and I am not seeing a sufficient appeal to make every GPU maker jump on the bandwagon. This also adds the cost overhead of all the rest of the connectivity to the (possibly) upgradeable board. In a regular eGPU enclosure, we buy the TB3 circuitry once, here we would buy it with every card.

But again, the main question is the price.

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Posted by: goalque

@steve4332 Yes, good point. The price. My XG Station Pro is quite expensive as an empty enclosure.

Yes. But it is high quality, worth every cent. I wouldn't change it for nothing, except for another XG Station Pro which could power my MacBookPro (only negative point).

IMO it's the best eGPU enclosure. Why?
- Absolutely silent (0db) when idling.
- Great build quality and matching with MacBookPros dark grey.
- 10GBs USB-C Gen 2. Port.
- Relative small fooprint.
- Easy change of GPUs.

Point (1) Silence is the absolute showstopper for other enclosures. Who wants an enclosure to make noise all the time?

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steve4332
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Posted by: goalque

More info and photos, google translated:

http://www.gdm.or.jp/crew/2019/0528/306684

- It also has a DIN connector for connecting a 19V AC adapter
- the Mini-ITX case manufactured by Cooler Master was used for the exhibition, but we do not know whether it will be commercialized or not.

It's one dense board. Doesn't look to inexpensive to me. Wonder if one can use a generic CPU cooler on it or not. It is interesting that the memory chips don't seem to have any heatsink at all. Maybe it's preproduction only. No connector for a standard PC PSU on the board (an adapter is needed).

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