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Apr 11, 2019 10:26 pm  
Posted by: Evangelos Vasilaropoulos

hi everybody I am new to the forum. I recently bought an iMac i5 2018 with razor x and Vega 64 and everything working fine on osx and bootcamp window 10. Now I want to return the Vega 64 for the Radeon VII. Do you know the procedure that I have to follow to not messed with the old drivers from the Vega 64 on bootcamp? Thanks. It also my system is connecting with display port on egpu and lg 27ul650. I am on 10.15 beta 2

What version of Radeon Adrenalin are you running? Is it from Bootcampdrivers.com?

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Apr 11, 2019 10:30 pm  

@p_gartner If you don't have anything requiring the TB3 bandwidth, it should be fine to keep the TS2 for general I/O (audio, network, keyboard, mouse, USB 3 external drives, etc.)

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Apr 11, 2019 11:18 pm  

First I run from bootcampdrivers.com and after I upgrade from the official Adrenalin 2019 Edition 19.4.1

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Apr 12, 2019 12:35 am  

@evangelos_vasilaropoulos I'd recommend the 19.3.3 version from Bootcampdrivers.com.

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Apr 12, 2019 12:47 am  

ok thanks i ll do it when it will arrive. So first i unistall the current drivers and after i replace the card and i install the 19.3.3  drivers correct?

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Apr 12, 2019 1:00 am  

@itsage curious of why you are recommending the 19.3.3 instead of the 19.4.1, did you notice something?

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Apr 12, 2019 1:10 am  

@juan_c_yunis For Macs with Radeon dGPU, bootcampdrivers.com modified drivers can work with both the Radeon dGPU and Radeon eGPU. This allows internal display acceleration. Mat HD at bootcampdrivers.com hasn't worked on the newest drivers is all.

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Apr 12, 2019 3:08 am  
Posted by: Ningauble77

Anyone else upgraded to 10.14.5 public beta 2 and having issues running unigine benches in MacOS?  Both Heaven and Valley crash on start for me.  Games I have tried work ok (Elder Scrolls Online and World of Warcraft).  I took the plunge and bought a Radeon VII, have it up and running in MacOS and Windows now but wanted to do some benching before I put up a build guide.

@ningauble77, first, THANKS! I didn't know there was a 10.14.5 public beta. I just installed it tonight and ran both Heaven and Valley. Heaven was running at 2540x1440 with 8x AA at 60-70fps no problem. Valley (at the same setting) ran at about 40-50fps with some regular stuttering. I hope you figure out why they are crashing for you. I did do fresh installs for the first time on both.

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Apr 12, 2019 3:12 am  

@itsage understood, didn't know that 19.4.1 is not available from Mat HD.

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Apr 12, 2019 3:13 am  
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@juan_c_yunis For Macs with Radeon dGPU, bootcampdrivers.com modified drivers can work with both the Radeon dGPU and Radeon eGPU. This allows internal display acceleration. Mat HD at bootcampdrivers.com hasn't worked on the newest drivers is all.

@itsage, I'm running Mat HD's 19.3.3 drivers and am looking forward to him returning from holiday in June for a refresh. I'm wondering if I did something that prevented the drivers from operating both the dGPU and eGPU simultaneously. Now that I'm on 10.14.5 public beta 2, I have my external display (connected to the eGPU) and my MacBook internal display running at the same time. But for some reason, this doesn't happen (and never did) for Bootcamp. I was able to use the eGPU with BootCamp prior to 10.14.5, but running an EFI process that I think disables my dGPU. Oddly enough, when I updated to Windows 10 19H1, after the update, for the first reboot both displays operated properly and the Radeon XConnect app didn't run. But every reboot after XConnect runs and I only get the external displays. Should both displays be able to run simultaneously? Any suggestions on where to search for a solution?

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Apr 12, 2019 3:19 am  

@ejony The 2018 15" MacBook Pro paired with a Radeon eGPU is a bit of a unique case. We did figure out a way to reliably run both Radeon dGPU and Radeon eGPU in Boot Camp. The trick is to manually uninstall the eGPU in Device Manager prior to shutting the system down. This way the next boot allows the dGPU to work while Windows is loading the drivers for the eGPU. Here are the steps.

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Apr 12, 2019 9:41 am  

@ejony
On the 15" MacBookPro 2018 you shouldn't use any program (like applet_set_os.efi) , that tries to enable the iGPU for Bootcamp, it won't work. This very important step with uninstall the eGPU prior boot is also described in this bootcamp guide, section C. It works very reliable and it's just a few clicks.

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Apr 12, 2019 2:47 pm  

Thank you @OliverB. Is the "uninstall eGPU and reboot" process the long term stable solution to running eGPU on a MacBook or something we have to do because the Radeon VII isn't fully supported yet? This is my first eGPU with a Mac. And I expected that type of workaround for nVidia cards. But I'm a bit surprised if that type of workaround is what is required in the long run (in Bootcamp) for an AMD card.

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Apr 12, 2019 3:53 pm  

Speaking about drivers, i would suggest to check if installing only the AMD driver for the gpu without the whole AMD suite wouldn't yield better performances.

Dunno if someone want to test the eGPU perfs w/o the AMD adrenalin suite, pretty sure one would gain some more fps and/or a better frametime while gaming.

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Apr 12, 2019 4:27 pm  
Posted by: eJony

Thank you @OliverB. Is the "uninstall eGPU and reboot" process the long term stable solution to running eGPU on a MacBook or something we have to do because the Radeon VII isn't fully supported yet? This is my first eGPU with a Mac. And I expected that type of workaround for nVidia cards. But I'm a bit surprised if that type of workaround is what is required in the long run (in Bootcamp) for an AMD card.

@ejony
It has nothing to do with the Radeon VII in particular, it's a matter of the combination of AMD eGPU and this MacBook model:

Rule: If you have a 15-inch 2018 and an AMD eGPU, you have two choices:

1) You do the "uninstall and reboot" trick.
2) You don't use your internal display with full functionality.

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Apr 13, 2019 3:34 am  

Thanks @OliverB. Does anyone consider this a "bug" for Bootcamp?

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Apr 13, 2019 10:01 am  
Posted by: Ningauble77

Anyone else upgraded to 10.14.5 public beta 2 and having issues running unigine benches in MacOS?  Both Heaven and Valley crash on start for me.…

Heaven and Valley are crashing on start for me also, but in macOS 10.14.4, on two different Macs: a 2015 iMac and a 2019 iMac (to which I migrated my apps and settings from the 2015 iMac via Migration Assistant).

I’ve found that by logging out of my account and logging in as the Guest User or as a new user, I can run Heaven and Valley on either iMac, but logged into my own Administrator account, they both crash on both iMacs 100% of the time (which is strange, because they both used to run on the 2015 iMac).

 I’ve no idea what’s causing the incompatibility. I’ve tried deleting the Heaven and Valley folders in ~/Library/Application Support, as well as the few bits with "com.unigine" in their names in ~/Library, to no avail.

I posted the crash log here.

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Apr 13, 2019 10:42 am  
Posted by: eJony

Thanks @OliverB. Does anyone consider this a "bug" for Bootcamp?

@eJony, of course it is a bug, but there is little we can do. Until recently option 1) was even not available/known, it was common sense that AMD eGPU means no accelerated internal display on this model.
If you want to avoid it: Use an nVidia GPU, but it's not perfect either, you can either use Trick 1) or hotplug it after windows has been loaded. If you don't do either way, internal display goes black again.

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Apr 13, 2019 3:47 pm  
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Anyone else upgraded to 10.14.5 public beta 2 and having issues running unigine benches in MacOS?  Both Heaven and Valley crash on start for me.  Games I have tried work ok (Elder Scrolls Online and World of Warcraft).  I took the plunge and bought a Radeon VII, have it up and running in MacOS and Windows now but wanted to do some benching before I put up a build guide.

@ningauble77, first, THANKS! I didn't know there was a 10.14.5 public beta. I just installed it tonight and ran both Heaven and Valley. Heaven was running at 2540x1440 with 8x AA at 60-70fps no problem. Valley (at the same setting) ran at about 40-50fps with some regular stuttering. I hope you figure out why they are crashing for you. I did do fresh installs for the first time on both.

No luck getting Valley/Heaven to run here in MacOS, they also crash undocked on the igpu, so not sure what the deal is.  I'm only running 3 third party kernel extensions, Razer Synapse, the ASIX ethernet driver for the Core v2, and The Intel Power Gadget.  I could do a clean install but I think I'm going to stick with what I've got til the official non-beta release comes out.

One thing I did run across testing in Bootcamp, is that it may be important to completely shutdown, *and* disconnect and reconnect the egpu to get consistent performance.  I was running ESO last night in Windows and performance was noticeably low, seeing framerates barely hover around 50-60 in places gpu limited where my previous gtx 1080 and rtx 2080 would get well over 70-80 fps.  I downloaded the latest copy of gpu-z and noticed the boost clock was only running at 1350 Mhz.  I think the beta MacOS drivers are loading a low clocked power table and you need to completely shutdown and disconnect everything to restore normal performance in windows.  After doing so the next time I ran the game the clock rates were pegged at 1770.  Also this thing sounds like a vacuum cleaner in a core v2 while fully loaded gaming.

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Apr 14, 2019 1:26 am  

hi everybody today came my Radeon VII and testing with Mac mini i5 2018 connecting with display port on lg 27 ul650 HDR monitor. Pretty disappointed on windows 10 and latest drivers from And. I get only 7032 on default settings time spy under auto overclocking. On Vega 64 I have 6500 under clock. I am gonna try to install the drivers from bootcamp site to test.

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Apr 14, 2019 2:02 am  
Posted by: Evangelos Vasilaropoulos

hi everybody today came my Radeon VII and testing with Mac mini i5 2018 connecting with display port on lg 27 ul650 HDR monitor. Pretty disappointed on windows 10 and latest drivers from And. I get only 7032 on default settings time spy under auto overclocking. On Vega 64 I have 6500 under clock. I am gonna try to install the drivers from bootcamp site to test.

What is your graphics score in time spy with the Radeon VII and with the Vega64?

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Apr 14, 2019 3:09 am  

I tried to overclocking and I duet with Radeon VII 7237 and with Vega 64 6500. All with the 19.4.1 official drivers. Now I am trying with the 19.3.3 from boot camp drivers.com

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Apr 15, 2019 4:08 pm  

Hi all, PLEASE HELP.

I'm new to egpu and all of this stuff to be honest.

I own a 2014 Mac Pro with thunderbolt 2 and a 2018 MacBook Pro with thunderbolt 3 and I work with many softwares that can make the most of the radeon vii card such as davinci resolve which highly rates it for colour grading. I bought a radeon vii and razor core x and installed the latest beta, my main goal was to upgrade my mac pro's power via a thunderbolt 2 to thunderbolt 3 adapter but I'm currently unable to it work, also I have bootcamp if that would be better.

The razor core x shows up under thunderbolt devices and the and card shows up as a display, under graphics but it's not registering as gpu when I plug it in. I'm using purge wrangler but I'm sure I've gone wrong somewhere.
Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Apr 15, 2019 4:19 pm  

Hi @acjc66   I'm new to this as well but I think your issues is Thunderbolt 2.  I think eGPU only works "officially" with Thunderbolt 3--so it should work with your MBP but not your MP.

But I could be wrong.  I'm sure other folks here will have more info.  

https://egpu.io/forums/mac-setup/state-of-egpu-for-macs-mojave-10-14-update/

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Apr 15, 2019 6:36 pm  

@acjc66 The Mac Pro 6,1 does not have official eGPU support due to no Thunderbolt 3 ports. We have a few workarounds to enable eGPU functionalities on it though. My recommendation is Purge-Wrangler. That's what I'm using in order to add Radeon VII eGPU to my nMP trashcan. You'd also need to run 10.14.5 Beta to get the drivers for this new graphics card.

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Apr 15, 2019 6:55 pm  
  • @theitsage I’m very pleased you’ve been able to get it working with same setup, as far as I can tell I’ve done the same things but it’s not working, using the same apple beta, purge wrangler seems to be installed in terminal correctly and I’m using the official apple thunderbolt 2/3 adapter. Apart from installing amd drivers in purge wrangler, in terminal, did you do anything else?

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Apr 15, 2019 7:27 pm  

Are you getting the eject egpu widget on the menu bar?  My experience with the Radeon VII so far is that it detects and initializes my egpu at startup or hotplug, but does not detect the display attached to it.  I have to either unplug and re-plug the displayport cable, turn the display off and back on, or eject and re-plug the egpu to get external display.  This is on MacOS 10.14.5 Public Beta 2,  a 2018 MBPro 13, Razer Core v2, and HP Spectre 32 Monitor.

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Apr 15, 2019 8:04 pm  
@ningauble77 Hi, when I turn it on I get a the square at the top, but when I click it says there no gpu and then vanishes. If I go on purge wrangler in terminal it seems to be working and a amd card shows in System information as a display. It has a serial number but doesn’t say Radeon vii. I tried geekbench and it doesn’t show up under gpu. I’m using the same beta, sorry for my ignorance but I don’t know what hotplug means?

@ningauble77 also, I’m using a tv as a monitor through the Mac hdmi incase that’s the issue. I did try plugging the hdmi cable into the card but got no picture

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Apr 15, 2019 8:14 pm  

Sorry hotplug means to plug in a device while powered on.  For instance plugging the egpu into the computer while it is currently booted and running.  Sounds like you have a different issue than mine, have you tried uninstalling any scripts you have installed and reinstalling them, or verified that you have SIP disabled via "csrutil status" at the terminal?

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Apr 15, 2019 8:57 pm  

@acjc66 Have you disable SIP prior to running Purge-Wrangler? The symptoms you described sound like an unpatched system.

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Apr 16, 2019 12:58 am  

@ningauble77 @itsage Thanks for suggesting a possible cause of the issue. I thought I disabled sip as I’m able to use data wrangler in terminal, the fact you’re able to get it working with the same setup theitsage, means I must be have done something wrong. I’ll check everything again tomorrow to see if it’s something I missed and let you guys know

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Apr 16, 2019 1:05 am  

@acjc66, which Version of MacOSX are you using? I strongly suspect it's not 10.14.5 Beta

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Apr 16, 2019 1:17 am  

@robin_martin ... quick question. If I choose the BenQ PD3200U 4K Monitor, I noticed it has DisplayPort (v1.2) and the AMD V11 has DisplayPort (v1.4) will that make a difference or give me problems?? Your BenQ PD2700U 27 " 4K HDR IPS has DisplayPort (v1.4). LMK, thanks!

 

 

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Apr 16, 2019 2:16 am  

@p_gartner You’re probably fine with DisplayPort 1.2 in that monitor and the 1.4 output from the Radeon VII will be backwards compatible. Here’s more details on the differences between the DP versions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort

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Apr 17, 2019 10:32 pm  

 @OliverB as far as I can tell I am and I re-disabled sip and still no luck! Really not sure what the issue is

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Also, It shows up in system information, which makes me think it should be working

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Apr 18, 2019 4:39 am  

@acjc66 Always keep SIP disabled while purge-wrangler patches are in use. Uninstall the patches. Reboot. Reinstall patches, but do not enable legacy AMD GPUs. Kexts have changed since 10.14.5 and perhaps that might be the problem (though in my estimation the kext should not be making a difference - still worth a go). Do try this and report back before moving on the further troubleshooting.

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