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itsage
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Since @sky11 got promoted to a different department, RTG hasn’t paid much attention to AMD XConnect. I reached out to AMD XConnect team asking for clarification on the Radeon VII fan issues during eGPU use but have not heard back. This is not only an issue in macOS or Mac computers. I’ve tried Windows and Linux as well with non-Mac laptops and desktops. They all experience full speed fan issue when the Thunderbolt connection is suspended.

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craftsman
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Am I correct to assume the Radeon VII and eGPU will power down anyway when the Thunderbolt cable is disconnected from the Mac?

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kushNYC
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Am I correct to assume the Radeon VII and eGPU will power down anyway when the Thunderbolt cable is disconnected from the Mac?

The Radeon VII + Core X do power down when I disconnect the Thunderbolt cable from the MacBook Pro.

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1/ When putting the computer to sleep, the computer environment state is saved and the hardware components are instructed to shutdown once the know state have been saved, allowing wake up the computer with the same known environment.

2/When disconnecting the eGPU TB cable, the enclosure itself need to instruct the gpu to also shutdown, it need to instruct the gpu to power down along the main eGPU enclosure board.

1'/ The issue is mainly a driver/bios issue due to the missing communication between the system and the gpu when performing the shutdown sequence. Hence the gpu think something went wrong and put itself in a safe initialized state with full fan on.

2'/ The issue is mainly due to a TB driver/firmware issue, the eGPU board itself is not able to instruct the gpu to perform a clean shutdown sequence to power down the whole eGPU enclosure when the cable is pulled of. Same situation as before, the gpu initialize in a safe state full fan on.

To be able to perform a clean power down sequence, the hardware need to be recognized, able to communicate and be understood to shut down successfully.
Performing a simple complete shutdown is not exactly the same that putting in sleep mode or even pulling the TB cable suddenly.

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craftsman
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So it seems the firmware update is required for eGPU enclosures and maybe drivers. 

Until then I'm happy to disconnect the thunderbolt cable when the system is asleep.

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wimpzilla
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More specifically, it seems missing the power management ACPI features for VegaII.
Dunno if our DSDT gurus can build a custom DSDT to apply appropriate ACPI parameters.
I can only suppose this is the root cause of the problem.
If it is, it is the same kind of missing feature level as the card missing the UEFI feature initially.

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I don't think there is a need to do any patching. Clearly Apple and others are working to complete this official support and they will fix sleep problems.

 

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So there are still a lot of issues and no official support in MacOSX? Have those performance issues on some Win10 games been solved?

It's really a pity and a shame. It's a marketing hoax claiming it could compete with a GTX1080Ti and moreover there is no official MacOSX support. Just a overrated, albeit good looking card.

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Fans aren't an issue if you replace them with 2 x Noctua NF-F12 PWM (intake), keep original  2 x Asus XG Station Pro InWin exhaust fans (other PWM controlled by the eGPU and other controlled by the Asus backplane temperature sensor). No soldering required.

4 x 12cm fans. Whisper silent and not annoying even at full speed.

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@oliverb It's in beta and will officially be supported in macOS 10.14.5 and the performance falls between 1080 ti and 2080 ti depending on use. 

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@goalque the Radeon vii employs dc fans (so, noctua a12x25 flx) with a non standard header, will have to at least splice the wires for the new dc fans to the original header.

at this stage, I’m just going to wait for 10.14.5 to fully drop and see if the issues are resolved. If not, converting everything into a full water cooled setup since EKWB and Barrow have released plates for the Radeon vii. That way, the fans are controlled via water temp, and bypass the gpu fan management entirely.

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Posted by: Kelvin Tan

@goalque the Radeon vii employs dc fans (so, noctua a12x25 flx) with a non standard header, will have to at least splice the wires for the new dc fans to the original header.

at this stage, I’m just going to wait for 10.14.5 to fully drop and see if the issues are resolved. If not, converting everything into a full water cooled setup since EKWB and Barrow have released plates for the Radeon vii. That way, the fans are controlled via water temp, and bypass the gpu fan management entirely.

PWM controlled header (taken from another fan), no soldering, just a wire stripper. I can adjust 2 x Noctua + 1 x InWin fans speed at 100% in MSI afterburner or keep AMD's automatic fan control.

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Kelvin Tan
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@goalque hmm this is interesting. So far all the teardowns feature DC regulated fans.

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The model # of the fans correspond with the same found online, which is a 2pin or 4pin config.

Maybe your pwm fans are just running at full speed?

https://noctua.at/en/can-i-run-4-pin-pwm-fans-on-3-pin-fan-headers

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@kelvin_tan

I put together black, yellow, green and blue. Aren't they PWM match? Total AMPs of Noctua + InWin is lower than 3 x 0.32APM so it should be safe.

I am sure that fans are not running at full speed all the time, I would hear it and fans react almost immediately to the slider in MSI afterburner. And they do run at full speed as the original fans if the TB cable is not connected.

On Reddit someone says "They're 75mm pwm fans".

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Juan C. Yunis
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@oliverb I think they are saying that the performance of the RVII is better than the 1080Ti, 2080 and 2080Ti because they watch the comparisons in full desktop towers and that is the best case scenario for the VII. But you are correct when you say that the RVII in eGPU doesn't perform that good compared to the 1080 Ti, but that just could be a bad bios/driver and it could be updated/fixed (hopefully), because the hardware is pretty powerful after all.

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Back to the subject. macOS, Radeon VII, content creation. Blender 2.8 looks amazing and I can't wait to test it out on this new eGPU set up.

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@OliverB

I think you are greatly mistaking and confusing 2 different things: being able to display 10bit color depth does not mean that professional design tools and/or programs will allow you to use the 10bit color depth with any gpu when you are working with.

AMD have been supporting 10bit color depth feature in professional drawing tools from ages with any gpu, on Nvidia side instead you must acquire a Quadro gpu, if i remember well, to be able to use 10bit color depth with professional tools.

One thing is displaying and encoding a render, quite far away than actually drawing the render itself!

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@wimpzilla Thank you for trying to clarify these technical things to others.

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itsage
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I removed posts unrelated to Radeon VII in macOS. Please keep this discussion on topic.

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kushNYC
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I bought the Radeon VII last week with the expectation that it will be fully supported under macOS 10.14.5 GM and optimized in future releases of macOS.  I joined this thread to share and learn from others with a similar setup. As long as there is no official support for nVidia from Apple, I could care less about the 1080Ti or 2080 vs the Radeon VII.  If I cared about those cards I’d post in threads related to them.  Thanks.

@oliverb Irrelevant. We don’t need to be discussing nVidia cards in a Radeon VII on macOS specific thread.  Come on guys.  Enough already.

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FYI AMD's driver threading is inferior to nVIDIA's so it helps to not have your CPU throttle and be at the max Ghz as much as possible. Unfortunately Mac's are made to throttle.

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craftsman
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@gareth_rees that is true, but when we are shifting our workload from the laptop to the eGPU we should see lower temperatures and less throttling. 

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Well in compute tasks it won't matter, but it will games and that seems where most of the conclusions are being drawn on the card. I'd take an RVII any day over an RTX 2080 or a 1080 Ti, and I've had a 1080 Ti at 2.14Ghz, which is extremely rare.

The last time I had a MacBook Pro was 2007 with a Radeon X1600. Ran bootcamp to Windows XP and SpeedFan allowed control of the fans, does HWInfo64 not allow this? 

MacBooks operate like most PCs, the fans will not increase until a temperature is reached and so sustained clocks over long periods are not improved, unfortunately. In fact, Linus did a video on it today. Apple tweaked the processors to allow temperatures in the ranges of 95C/203F which diminishes all hope for decent clocks even further.

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Posted by: Gareth Rees

 

The last time I had a MacBook Pro was 2007 with a Radeon X1600. Ran bootcamp to Windows XP and SpeedFan allowed control of the fans, does HWInfo64 not allow this? 

 

Last I checked, the SMC on the current lineup of MacBook Pros is embedded in the T2 chip, and not exposed in anyway to Windows.  The programs used in the past to manipulate fanspeeds in Windows do not work on the 2018 MacBook Pros/Air/iMac Pro.  About the only thing you can do to change thermal performance in any way is to change PL2 power envelopes using throttlestop or intel extreme tuning.

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New beta out.

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Just tried the new Beta. No change for me. Fans still start spinning at approx 70% after sleep has reached its final state.

No problems if I do a complete shutdown. Sleep is the only issue.

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Just ordered the Radeon VII 50th Anniversary Edition card (difference is just a red fan shroud as far as I know) and will have two separate eGPU units to try it in.
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A 2018 Mini w/ Sonnet BB350 and SF600 - currently with Vega 64 LC and Dual 32" BenQ 4K monitors.

More to come once it arrives. Says 3-5 days shipping so hopefully by end of next week.

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@mmomega Hopefully it has the same Device ID.

Do all Radeon VII vendors use the same Device ID?

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I believe they do, I don't see why it wouldn't. 
It is straight from AMD and not a third party so I am expecting the exact same experience as anyone else outside of having a red fan shroud.

I was on the fence about RadeonVII on release day... either way I believe AMD anniversary is making me reminisce about the 9800Pro /XT days. 
I built my 9800XT system for Half-Life 2's release. 
I really like the red cards at the time and I guess, still do.

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I believe they do, I don't see why it wouldn't. 
It is straight from AMD and not a third party so I am expecting the exact same experience as anyone else outside of having a red fan shroud.

I was on the fence about RadeonVII on release day... either way I believe AMD anniversary is making me reminisce about the 9800Pro /XT days. 
I built my 9800XT system for Half-Life 2's release. 
I really like the red cards at the time and I guess, still do.

The ASUS 9800XT that came in a briefcase was pimping "ASUS A9800XT RADEON 9800 XT 256MB Limited Edition" lol

Hope the red VII works out for you, I'm just sitting here with it in my cart watching the Canadian currency price fluctuate. I can justify it because of the AMD50 shirt right? Just sucks 1 year warranty vs. ASUS/AsRock 3 year.

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50th anniversary is also offering two new games on all Radeon VIIs. The Division 2 Gold Edition with one year pass & World War Z.

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Yes and those 2 games.
Most likely will give the code to my son to use.
I don't do much gaming at all anymore outside of WoW occasionally when my wife wants me to play.

and @garethrees the shirt it completely worth the price of admission 
I didn't get the briefcase though. It was in my very first ever pre-built PC. I custom ordered an Alienware back when Alienware was their own company before Dell bought them out. 
RAIDed Velociraptor 35GB drives, I forgot the Athlon XP chip that was in it. I think that system ran about $3,000. Unboxing that back then was cool because Alienware would run all kinds of tests on the computer and send you the results of what it was capable of, and they would color match the keyboard and mouse combo you ordered with it. 
Pretty neat then..... but now I'm getting off topic a bit. 

Pics of the Red 7 when she shows up though.

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Anyone else upgraded to 10.14.5 public beta 2 and having issues running unigine benches in MacOS?  Both Heaven and Valley crash on start for me.

@Ningauble77, I was having the same problem in macOS 10.14.4. I just noticed a file named "file__0.localstorage" in my ~/Library/Application Support folder. Curious as to what it was, I dropped it onto TextEdit and noticed several occurences of the words "Heaven" and "Valley" near the beginning.

After moving "~/Library/Application Support/file__0.localstorage" to the trash, I can now run Heaven and Valley! (The Unigine apps recreate file__0.localstorage, but without whatever problem was causing them to crash on launch.)

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Thanks a ton, after deleting file__0.localstorage I can run heaven and valley again.  Will add the benches to my build guide when I have a chance.

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Mine should be in Friday. R7.
Kind of getting excited.

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2018 MBP 15"er here.

I'm hoping to find someone who can tell me what current eGPU's are compatible with the AMD Radeon VII card with my current MBPro setup? TBH, I'm surprised I haven't seen one mention regarding compatible units. I know the Sonnet 560 and the Razer X support the VII, but I' can't seem to find any solid answers regarding compatibility with the Blackmagic Designs eGPU lineup. Any advice is much appreciated.

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