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@oliverb Mac or Windows?, because Mac we know that there are not official driver support.

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@oliverb Mac or Windows?, because Mac we know that there are not official driver support.

Both would be interesting. I hear that there has been change in Beta 6.

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@oliverb Mac or Windows?, because Mac we know that there are not official driver support.

Both would be interesting. I hear that there has been change in Beta 6.

Still, I'm probably not gonna put a beta on my everyday, money-maker machine. I can't afford Adobe going ape sh*t  on a machine I use constantly for client work. Unfortunately, comparisons (especially with my special blend of needs over here as a photographer/filmmaker) between Radeon VII and Radeon Pro Vega 64 LC will have to wait until drivers are properly bundled with OS X.

Which will hopefully be March 25th. But knowing Apple will probably be June 11th or something.

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@arden_shibley Nice setup with the RX Vega 64 LC running! I recall seeing a mod recently relocating the cooling fan behind the front fascia. You can do that for intake if needed.

Thanks Sage! 
Behind the front fascia of the Core X? It's a rather useless piece of plastic.. I suppose I could cut some holes in it, but why waste the perfectly good grille on the right side? 😛 

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Your radiator and its fan stays in the side vent. The front fan provides additional cool factor is how I see it :D. I found the link here and a photo of end product.

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Oh that's kind of neat! 

For now I'm noticing the PSU fan sounding like a tiny, quiet jet engine... haha. If I were to spend some DIY time it would be taking care of that, either carefully replacing it with a Noctua, or just getting a different PSU. It's only noticeable when I'm rendering stuff though, so that's totally to be expected.

I took a little 5V strip, cut two LEDs off, put red gel in front of them and a USB-A on the other end, sticking out the back of the Core X. Hot glued into the tray beneath, hooked into a USB hub behind my machine. Here's the result: 

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Red fits nicely for Vega 64 or Radeon VII 🙂

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@arden_shibley

Red looks awesome, matches the AMD theme. Went with purple myself. But why don't you just use a 12V LED and splice into the 4+4pin connector direct (just push in the wire, or solder to the bottom). That way you don't have to use a separate USB to light it up. It makes for a much cleaner build too. Me and my friends use JST connectors to easily swap out 12V LED strip, split into more LED strips, or even add a push-button on/off for light control.

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Damn! Super LED! 

Super slick to have the LEDs all spliced / powered inside; though the 5V was what I had laying around, and I preferred the point light source more than the strip light. I also hadn't/haven't committed to keeping the Core X so I've been easing into customizing it for myself in case I decide it's not right for me. As I've mentioned, this whole thing is for work for me, enabling faster renders/proxies and client turnaround. It's sexy LED look is secondary.. haha. And someone asked me if I'm happy with my temps... I'm running a Vega 64 LC for occasional renders using OpenCL in a 17.5ºC basement. My temps are more than sufficient and basically irrelevant for my use case!

I love how customized that rig is, and then there's just the stock brown Noctua on the front, lmao. Maybe an NF-F12 to fit the black theme?

Which JST connectors do you use (I'm being lazy instead of googling it but also confirming which connection you're interfacing)? the 12v fan pin? What's the little pinned PCB I see?

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Yeah tbh I turn off the LED lights most times except when I’m monitoring to see if the fans are having issues or something, or to impress the nephews haha.

Would kill to be in your basement, my ambient temps is 28 to 30C. I trade you another paperweight Radeon vii to work off your basement for a month lol.

i just went with the A12x25 as it’s reported to work with the core x - supposedly some fans have problems spinning on start up. The a12x25 works flawlessly and is probably the best performer right now. Whisper quiet too whereas the industrial ppc which I have in my desktop can get a tad loud. But yeah you either hate or love the turd brown eh? I’m still mixed about it. Maybe print the front panel with some wood filament to better compliment.

I use JST RCY connectors as I find them easily available and pretty robust/insulated, but you can use others too like JST SM etc.

the LED is connected to the 4+4 pin eps12v that’s found on the front of the core x board. Top rail is 12v, bottom rail is GND, when looking at it from the front.

The pcb is just a simple fan header expansion port, allows me to connect up to 4 fans (only tried and currently running with 2 noctuas a12x25s). Don’t think it’s advisable to load more than 2 fans as Razer doesn’t provide any specs on max current load for the header, though standard nowadays is 1A max on proper motherboards (I’m using a12x25 flx which is [email protected] spin).

for a blower card like the reference v56 it’s not really needed, but for the Radeon vii and the 1080ti amp core extreme it helps heaps to set both fans to extract. Otherwise the cards are just blowing hot air circulating inside the case, and recycling hot air back into the card. The side fan from feel alone blows out only 50% of the air compared to the front fan, I think because of the mesh and also the fan is 20%? obscured by the side panel.

i have the blyski water cooling plate for the Radeon vii, was gonna deploy it, and have a version of the front plate for water cooling.

if you want to I can 3d print a set out for you in petg and mail it over to wherever you are, at no charge. Hit me up in DM. Cheerios, mate.

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@kelvin_tan dude, thank you so much, your LED mod got me all fired up and i felt like doing it, i had a 12V aura strip from Phanteks without being use and i was able to connect it to my Core X and it looks stunning.

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Also, I know you offered that to Arden, but could you do it for me too, would be happy to pay for it.

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That looks awesome! Hell are you guys all just forcing your way through with the Radeon VII in OS X? I just fear crashes and losing work.

No need to pay, the items are quite light and mail is cheap. My wife ships bone china dishware stateside all the time and this is like a million times less fragile haha. DM me your details I’ll print a set for you too.

edit: don’t buy the magnets I’ll add them in for you all. Just get fan splitter, fan, and a fan mesh and a torx 8 screw and good to go.

edit2: damn your diffused led strip gives much more even lighting... so yums!

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@kelvin_tan thanks again man, I sent you a DM. Can't wait for that mod (also do you mind doing it all black)

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@kelvin_tan good thing that i have a fan splitter around, and the led i have, these are the ones https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-LEDKT_Combo-Strip-Combo-Retail/dp/B01HUFMIZ2/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=phanteks+led+strip&qid=1553287842&s=gateway&sr=8-1 and i just added a second LED strip into the other side but i had to put it on the top of the case (the one with the mesh sides) and then use an extender to connect it to the other led strip. So now i have lights in both sides.

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@kelvin_tan this thread has made my day! Thanks for the offer my man! 

I'm noticing the Vega 64 has this cool little tachometer set of LEDs, it lights up as the GPU comes under load. They omitted the LEDs and accompanying cutout in the RVII reference design, though the board still has the solder points for the LEDs. Boo.

I'm noticing a light clicking from the GPU when under load, let's say as I scrub through footage.. I'm thinking it almost might be something to do with the relays that operate those LEDs? 

I LOL'd at the offer to trade an RVII to work in my basement. That's southern Alberta for you. The basement never peaks above 19ºC or so even in the summer, provided we're wise about air management. I literally do not own an air conditioning unit. 

I recommended an iPPC fan for you but should have recommended the NF-P12 redux. They have a very low startup voltage (5-5.6v) which is super satisfactory. Such is not the case with iPPC or NF-A12. I have some iPPCs going in a filter unit that keeps my work room (and associated gear, like lenses, computers) dust free. 2x 120mm fans pull air through a HEPA and exhaust it out the back. 🙂 

I don't think I need to add a fan to the front of the Core X, my flow is good at the moment. Speaking of fans though, the LC fan is run by the GPU and obviously spools up with temperature or load. However, if fans are plugged in to the header on the Core X board, what determines their RPM? Temps? Load? TB3 bandwidth?

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If you love such LEDs you should go for an Asus XG Station Pro: It has exactly that kind of LEDs built in and they work great...

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@oliverb it looks nice, however i needed extra juice in the PSU and also the space in case i wanna use a water cooled card, or add a third party AIO for the VII (Alphacool maybe)

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The tachometer leds are present on my reference Vega, I set the dip switches to turn it off, but turned it on to hear any clicking while footage scrubbing (fcpx)... don’t hear any even with ears right next to it.

The fan header on the core x I think like most other enclosures is dependent on the thunderbolt chip temperature for regulation.

sure if you think you need the panel just let me know.

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What's the situation now? Is 10.14.4 public? Does it work with Radeon VII?

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Hasn't dropped today (yet). Just iOS

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6:42pm ET Monday, Software update still only says 10.14.4 Beta 6.

Completing a Time Machine backup and checking MacOS Sys Prefs regularly to try the update and Radeon VII once 10.14.4 releases.

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Ah thank you for the information. Please keep it up.

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10.14.4 just dropped - am upgrading now...

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MacRumors: Apple Releases macOS Mojave 10.14.4

In the notes: 

  • Provides enhanced support for external GPUs in Activity Monitor

So at least we know they didn't completely exclude GPU updates, but it remains to be seen if RVII is in there. I'm only about 40% of the way through my Time Machine backup so it'll still be a minute before I can find out.

(I'm creating a second backup so I can re-partition my main, and it's copying 1TB to my RAID0 SSD enclosure before I can partition the old one)

Herbie keep us posted. 🙂

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I am waiting for your reports, sirs!

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@oliverb nope, i had to inject the kext to make it work. Will test stability.

UPDATE: Still unstable, lol, i guess we would have to wait for 10.14.5.

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@oliverb nope, i had to inject the kext to make it work. Will test stability.

*Cussing begins*

Welp.... 10.14.5 it is, I guess.  🙁

Let us know how the kext jigger goes.

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@oliverb nope, i had to inject the kext to make it work. Will test stability.

UPDATE: Still unstable, lol, i guess we would have to wait for 10.14.5.

Oh... it's a pity, because this means I will return my Radeon VII. Without proper MacOSX Support it's only worth half the money. What exactly are Apple and AMD thinking?

@juan_c_yunis what exactly is unstable? Is this a global phenomena? I haven't tested it a lot on MacOSX; other than a disappointing performance there was nothing unstable.

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@oliverb yeah i agree, however i don't mind waiting a little bit more. I'm happy with it in Windows, yesterday i tried the power mod and i was able to push the memory to 1275Mhz and the core at 2Ghz on air, very stable lol.

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UPDATE: Still unstable, lol, i guess we would have to wait for 10.14.5.

F*

I bought mine on release, the return window has long passed. lol

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Whats is bombing on you most? It was spacebar preview for me in last beta...

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Yeah, I bought my Radeon VII on release too, so can't return.  Wondering is should try and sell it, hold on for a bit...  Ugh.  Any guesses as to when it will work natively with Mac OS?

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Well, if Apple sticks to their typical schedule, we’ll have the 10.14.5 beta to start messing with this week and see if things are looking better.

Also, has Apple ever skipped support of certain AMD cards in recent years. What’s the chance of being stuck with an unsupported VII card indefinitely?

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Also, has Apple ever skipped support of certain AMD cards in recent years. What’s the chance of being stuck with an unsupported VII card indefinitely?

Y'ever hear of Nvidia? Apple's been skipping their everything since MacOS Mojave. =P

I dunno... I don't think they've got any glaring omissions...

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Yep, that’s why I specifically referred to AMD. CUDA support in Adobe apps can take a hike. Give me that Metal hotness!!

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I know, I know. I kid. 😛

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No great surprise, let’s hope for 10.14.5 beta which should be out soon


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