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Defoler
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This kinda.... sucks really. 
I don't know if its AMD or apple, and I know that apple takes their sweet time with approving anything, but this behavior sometimes is really pushing the limits of giving the middle finger to customers.

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OliverB
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It's clear: They have enough RX590, Vega 56 and 64 to sell. Moreover the new iMac Pro with Vega 64X must be sold, too.

What's Radeon VII then? A Windows gaming card, as powerful as the all mighty GTX 1080 Ti. Only: It's not.

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Juan C. Yunis
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Funny thing is that you can get the VII at discounted price with the 3 games in Newegg, the PowerColor version, it's $679.

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Hey guys, 

I wrote to AMD support and explicitly asked for macOS 10.14. support of Radeon VII.
That's what they've answered:

=====zzzzzzip=====

Dear xxx,

Your service request : SR #{ticketno:[xxx]} has been reviewed and updated.

Response and Service Request History:

Thank you for your email.

I understand that you wish to have drivers to support eGPU and Radeon VII together in your MacBook Pro in macOS 10.14.

This is not supported at the moment and there are no compatible drivers available. 

However, we cannot comment on future plans, For MacOS driver support is provided by Apple in the OS.  If you wish to know the available drivers For Apple Boot Camp driver.

I suggest you to please periodically check our Apple Boot Camp driver page for updates:  https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/apple-boot-camp

Thanks for contacting AMD.

In order to update this service request, please respond, leaving the service request reference intact.

Best regards,

xxx

AMD Global Customer Care

=====zzzzzap=====

"For MacOS driver support is provided by Apple in the OS" sounds like Apple develops the driver on their own.
Ok, who wants to contact Apple Support and ask them the same question? 😉

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Defoler
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Posted by: Roedi78

"For MacOS driver support is provided by Apple in the OS" sounds like Apple develops the driver on their own.
Ok, who wants to contact Apple Support and ask them the same question? 😉

It doesn't mean that apple are making the driver on their own. 
It only means that you can get drivers only through the OS itself.
AMD makes the drivers, ship them to apple, and apple test and validate the drivers, they then put them into the OS, and ship them with the next update.

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Historically Apple was never in hurry to provide drivers for current generation graphics cards. For example the Polaris GPU series became available on June 29th, 2016. The official support for Polaris GPUs were available with 10.12.6 update on October 31st, 2017. Prior to this software update, we were relying on kext injection to make them work.

The Fiji series, R9 Fury cards have never been officially supported. The drivers were working/non-working through many macOS versions but Apple never used them in any Macs. WWDC19 is when we have a good idea whether Radeon VII would have official support in macOS and eGPU.

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Posted by: Juan C. Yunis

Funny thing is that you can get the VII at discounted price with the 3 games in Newegg, the PowerColor version, it's $679.

Does anybody know if it is supposed to have any difference between different brands? I had three versions (PowerColor, Asus, Sapphire) and they looked exactly the same.?!

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Posted by: itsage

Historically Apple was never in hurry to provide drivers for current generation graphics cards. For example the Polaris GPU series became available on June 29th, 2016. The official support for Polaris GPUs were available with 10.12.6 update on October 31st, 2017. Prior to this software update, we were relying on kext injection to make them work.

The Fiji series, R9 Fury cards have never been officially supported. The drivers were working/non-working through many macOS versions but Apple never used them in any Macs. WWDC19 is when we have a good idea whether Radeon VII would have official support in macOS and eGPU.

Are you giving up on macOS 10.14.5 already? 🙂


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Kelvin Tan
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@oliverb no difference except for the stickers. They are otherwise all identical.

using the installmac script I found there’s another Mojave 10.14.4 build apart from the general release, I believe it’s for the new iMacs with Vega 48 support. Anybody tried that variant to see if the Radeon VII works?

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Posted by: Kelvin Tan

using the installmac script I found there’s another Mojave 10.14.4 build apart from the general release, I believe it’s for the new iMacs with Vega 48 support. Anybody tried that variant to see if the Radeon VII works?

That's like an explorer stumbling across a new island and asking anyone else if they've been there first. Nah man, you discovered it, go forth and explore. Haha .... and then report back so we can follow your lead 😀

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Monaldinio
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Posted by: Kelvin Tan

@oliverb no difference except for the stickers. They are otherwise all identical.

using the installmac script I found there’s another Mojave 10.14.4 build apart from the general release, I believe it’s for the new iMacs with Vega 48 support. Anybody tried that variant to see if the Radeon VII works?

That's an downgrade of the vega10 chip with 48 ROPs... 

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Posted by: Juan C. Yunis

Funny thing is that you can get the VII at discounted price with the 3 games in Newegg, the PowerColor version, it's $679.

Yeah, that's why I returned my Sapphire within the 2 weeks margin. Even it worked very well and the package was good lucking. It hurted.
I guess in some monthes I will get it 200 EUR cheaper.

The actual value of Radeon VII is:
- 350 $,
- 600 $ when it is fully supported by MacOSX:

Not one cent more.

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Hopefully we see Radeon VII support before the end of the Mojave cycle (10.14.6), but who knows. Given the plans to release a Mac Pro this year and the number of updates Apple has already made to the Mac lineup, things have been unpredictable (which is great IMO). Also agree with the price points above (if Windows-eGPU stuff is fixed then V64-like prices acceptable IMO).

In other news, for those who may have missed this (pretty sure most since this isn't officially mentioned ;p), the 10.14.4 update now allows users of 2018 (T2) MBPs to reboot in clamshell mode without the need to re-open the lid (previously it would try rebooting and stop - on rare occasion it did work tho). Great for me as I restart often :p. The only remaining thing is EFI/Boot menu over eGPU displays.

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... Great for me as I restart often :p. T...

Ha, this is funny. Because my former life (before eGPUs) I never reboot my computer. My machines were sometimes 180 days uptime. Coming from the Unix/Linux world this is standard. But this has changed.

I have to admit, things were easier before, because prior to Direct 10/11 games works quite well in Wine. This isn't the case anymore. You can't play a good modern game without Bootcamp.

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OliverB
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@mac_editor tell me: If you start Bootcamp with an AMD eGPU, do you use the uninstall trick? I do it everytime, I can't stand this Microsoft Basic Adaptor or a black internal display.

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@oliverb I'm a lazy bum so I don't use the trick ;p - just want some seamlessness. Been busy with coursework to do any serious work on the Windows script.

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OliverB
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Actually it's not much work. Error 12 AMD eGPU will be displayed in Device Manager, so it's 3 or 4 clicks, reboot and you got a fully working internal display. Really. this is great.

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@oliverb I'm aware I can uninstall from there - I already have a base script which I can double-click to uninstall it automatically, which is even quicker, but still don't do it :p

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Posted by: mac_editor

@oliverb I'm aware I can uninstall from there - I already have a base script which I can double-click to uninstall it automatically, which is even quicker, but still don't do it :p

Yes, I do not envy you for the endeavour to write a Windows script.

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Only tangentially related to this thread: my project for the last few days. Guess what's going here 😉 

Hint: Core X and DAS ! The DAS one (right) was definitely an afterthought... lol

Bonus: It's cooler down there, too. 

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Hey guys,

 I’m sorry it’s a bit urgent... today is the last day to return my Razer Core X to amazon...
i have a Radeon VII, Mac mini 2018 and Razer core X
I read the forum and rumors, now there’s 10.14.4 and it doesn’t work. 
With Win10 in Bootcamp it works. 
Can you please help me to get it to work with Kexts or something else, or I will return the case and just use the card in my old(er) Gaming PC...

thanks a lot!

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Posted by: Pixl

Hey guys,

 Today is the last day to return my Razer Core X to amazon...

Start the return. If you decide to keep it, just don't mail it back.

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Thanks for your quick reply!

can you/someone else here help me to get it to work?
if not, I return the case and order it again when the card is fully supported. 

Do you know where I can download the Radeon VII kext? I read tutorials on how to install them but google didn’t tell me where to find this kext. We’re in a niche guys...

thanks in advance!

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Posted by: Arden Shibley

Only tangentially related to this thread: my project for the last few days. Guess what's going here 😉 

Hint: Core X and DAS ! The DAS one (right) was definitely an afterthought... lol

Bonus: It's cooler down there, too. 

IMG 0443

I build the same construction! :mrgreen:
Need the space on the table.

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Defoler
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Posted by: Pixl

Thanks for your quick reply!

can you/someone else here help me to get it to work?
if not, I return the case and order it again when the card is fully supported. 

Do you know where I can download the Radeon VII kext? I read tutorials on how to install them but google didn’t tell me where to find this kext. We’re in a niche guys...

thanks in advance!

You can try and get it from here.
Basically you can do it yourself. You can copy the current kext, and insert the radeon VII ID to the list. 
Just copy the kext, show its content, edit the into.plist, and add "0x66AF1002" first in the IOPCIMatch tag under vega10. Then you copy the new one, confirm, reload it and reboot. I found a small guide.

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Posted by: Defoler
Posted by: Pixl

Thanks for your quick reply!

can you/someone else here help me to get it to work?
if not, I return the case and order it again when the card is fully supported. 

Do you know where I can download the Radeon VII kext? I read tutorials on how to install them but google didn’t tell me where to find this kext. We’re in a niche guys...

thanks in advance!

You can try and get it from here.
Basically you can do it yourself. You can copy the current kext, and insert the radeon VII ID to the list. 
Just copy the kext, show its content, edit the into.plist, and add "0x66AF1002" first in the IOPCIMatch tag under vega10. Then you copy the new one, confirm, reload it and reboot. I found a small guide.

Thank you very much, I’ll try when I’m home. 

maybe off topic, but I have lots of login issues here, recaptcha failed etc...
I’ll try to reply asap if login works...

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Posted by: Defoler

You can try and get it from here.

I was told  this was forbidden.

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You have to sign up for an account. Not super great UX there.

Also am a noob - following the directions and using Kextbeast and Kext wizard, neither seem to be able to install a kext into /Extensions. I repair permissions and restart, but nothing has changed...

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Defoler
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Posted by: zulg

You have to sign up for an account. Not super great UX there.

Also am a noob - following the directions and using Kextbeast and Kext wizard, neither seem to be able to install a kext into /Extensions. I repair permissions and restart, but nothing has changed...

(MBP 2018 15" 10.14.4 Public release)

Did you try follow this or this
Maybe you didn't do the kext rebuild, so it still has the older one linked to?

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Do not share Apple kext files. They are copyrighted properties. It’s also not safe for your system due to unknown sources and different versions. Read up on the procedures to modify the appropriate kext file yourself if you need to make the Radeon VII work in macOS atm.

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Are you giving up on macOS 10.14.5 already? 🙂

Apple rolls out the drivers whenever they want to. I used the Polaris official support as an example to set the right expectation. It’s typically a year or so before the newest cards have proper drivers in macOS.

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Ah great, I hadn't turned that up searching. Thanks!

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Posted by: itsage

Do not share Apple kext files. They are copyrighted properties. It's also not safe for your system due to unknown sources and different versions. Read up on the procedures to modify the appropriate kext file yourself if you need to make the Radeon VII work in macOS atm.

Posted by: ikir

Are you giving up on macOS 10.14.5 already? 🙂

Apple rolls out the drivers whenever they want to. I used the Polaris official support as an example to set the right expectation. It's typically a year or so before the newest cards have proper drivers in macOS.

This is true, tho to be fair when they were providing support for add-in pcie graphics cards it was for a platform that hadn't been updated since 2010.  Egpu is an included feature on almost all of their current mac lineup from the mini to the air to pros to the imacs, and if driver support is equivalent to their obsoleted Mac Pro support, it will be very disappointing. 

I am just worried they are dragging their feet to limit competition to the built in options in the mac lineup, many which come at a significant upsale cost.  My guess is official Radeon VII support will launch with the 2019 mac pro redesign, unless something miraculous happens and they decide to use nvidia chips in it (I've almost lost all hope of Mojave nvidia support, but the fact nvidia keeps hiring graphics driver engineers explicitly to work on metal support puzzles me).  There doesn't seem to be anything else on AMD's roadmap appropriate for a high end Mac Pro.  With luck, fully functional drivers may be incorporated before this happens but I'm not holding my breath about that, either.

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Hey guys, I tried to install the Kext you listed above, it did not let me install manually with terminal and with KextBeast it installed but it does not work. 

Wich exact original kext file do I have to edit and write in the Radeon VIV ID?

thanks in advance

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10.14.5 dev beta 1 is out!!! A new hope 🙂


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itsage
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Apple added PCI ID 66AF to AMDRadeonX5000.kext in the latest beta [18F96h]. Radeon VII eGPU should be plug-and-play with this 10.14.5 beta version now.

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OliverB
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What about performance and stability? Have those improved?

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