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No crashes yet in new dev beta (10.14.5 beta 1) - froze for me previously especially using preview and quite a few other on the razor core x egpu. Seems to be running great now!

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Wow! Maybe I'll try it out. Definitely not without doing SERIOUS backups though.. lol.

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Juan C. Yunis
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So far it's looking good, it even detects the card properly. Gonna make proper tests tomorrow.

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Welp, what the heck?

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Uninstalled and reinstalled beta profile, restarted each time, had an issue with my iCloud and local time preferences, resolved those, restarted, still no dice. 

EDIT: Solved. 10.14.5 is currently in Developer beta, NOT public beta. 👍🏼

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@arden_shibley maybe you tried to install via public beta profile? Public beta of 10.14.5 is not there yet, so at the moment you have to use a developer profile.

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Yep that’s it! I don’t have a paid developer account. 

Thanks!

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Eh eh eh I told you guys, 10.14.5 was the Sacred Graal 🙂


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Posted by: Herbie Knann

No crashes yet in new dev beta (10.14.5 beta 1) - froze for me previously especially using preview and quite a few other on the razor core x egpu. Seems to be running great now!

This is great news.
If it is stable, I might even consider using it. 
Can you please (pretty please?) update us once you went through, just to know if its stable enough to use.

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OliverB
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Wo can tell when 10.14.5 Stable is coming out?  @itsage? It's important to know because I won't use  a beta version for professional work.

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Compared to High Sierra release cycle last year (10.13.4 on 2018/03/29 and 10.13.5 on 2018/06/01) I guess we can expect 10.14.5 final in two months (from now), in first week of June (WWDC19).

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I agree with @roedi78‘s assessment. WWDC19 is roughly two months away and that’s the typically time frame for first beta to public release. It’s also likely Apple is going to use the Vega20 in 2019 Mac Pro.

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Hi All,

New to the community! Have been researching and eGPU settup here and other places and wanted to get my own setup for my professional work and gaming. Need help picking my graphics card. I was thinking of the Radon XII graphics card? Below is what I running...

1. MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2017), 3.1 GHz Intel Core i7, 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3
2. Razor Core X
3. Windows bootcamp for gaming - (Want to be able to play APEX Legends) - Also, want to be able to use the eGPU for professional video editing and graphics on the mac OS side
4. LG 32UL950-W 32" Ultrafine 4k UHD LED monitor.
5. was thinking the Radeon XII card or the Sapphire RX Vega 64 any suggestions?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks

 

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screendor
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Well, great news, kinda.

Anyone know how long it generally takes to go from developer beta ($99 fee) to public beta?

Also: I've got this Radeon VII and Akitio Node Pro gathering dust--only reason was to help with my FCPX rendering issues—should I hang in there or (possibly until WWDC) or  sell the VII and get a Vega 64 FE?

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It depends. 😎  I've seen many different timespans between releases of developer beta and public beta, from a few hours up to 2 or 3 weeks.
I guess here we'll have to wait only 24 hours (after dev-release), maximum 1 week.
Exception: The first dev releases of a new operating system are dev-exclusive for some weeks (maybe months) before the first public beta arrives, but that won't happen in this "late" versions.

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Posted by: Roedi78

Compared to High Sierra release cycle last year (10.13.4 on 2018/03/29 and 10.13.5 on 2018/06/01) I guess we can expect 10.14.5 final in two months (from now), in first week of June (WWDC19).

Agreed. This is on point. We might also see the Mac Pro at WWDC :p

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Folks:

10.14.5 Beta is now PUBLIC.  Only 2.6GB.

 
Stupid question: I am itching, burning to install it on my main edit computer that I use for paying work.  I’ve been sitting on my Radeon VII and Akitio Node Pro for a month—it's gathering dust.  I know the prudent course is not to install it…and I’ve never installed a beta before…but…but...
 
Whaddya think?
 
Thanks.

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Juan C. Yunis
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@screendor gotta be honest with you, i have my production machine with beta to use the Radeon VII lol, there was only 1 beta that brought issues to me with QT based apps, and it was beta 10.14.4 beta 4, but it was fixed in beta 5 and it has been working in all betas.

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That's great @juan_c_yunis  What apps or NLE are you using?  Again, for me, it's trying to juice FCPX with my 5K iMac. Thx

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OliverB
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No, I can't do that, using a beta for professional work. The stakes are too high.

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I think someone mentioned the Geekbench Compute score was poor / worse than Vega 64 in this new beta? Maybe I'm wrong?

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Posted by: screendor

Folks:

10.14.5 Beta is now PUBLIC.  Only 2.6GB.

 
Stupid question: I am itching, burning to install it on my main edit computer that I use for paying work.  I’ve been sitting on my Radeon VII and Akitio Node Pro for a month—it's gathering dust.  I know the prudent course is not to install it…and I’ve never installed a beta before…but…but...
 
Whaddya think?
 
Thanks.

Add a partition for the beta and boot back and forth between your production OS. That’s what I did. 🙂

So far so good with 10.14.5 beta 1 for me. Plug and plug recognition on my Core X. Running some benchmarks to see how stable it is...

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Juan C. Yunis
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@screendor i don't do video editing (i do it on the side but not professionally) or things like that, i'm software engineer so i'm ok testing and using betas. I'm using it mostly for making games in unreal/unity as a hobby or 3d modeling in Mac, and gaming in Bootcamp.

@oliverb lol, i know. But i do have my Macbook Pro in case of something lol, and also time machines backups.

@arden_shibley it is worse, but hey it's stable, so i'm ok with that.

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I should report back that I've been firing everything today at this in a production environment (FCPX, RX7, Photoshop etc.) using the new beta and the card has been solid with Razor Core X. Very happy considering the 10.14.4 final left me a bit pissed off. Im getting faster than usual high-rate hevc 8 bit encoding as well which is great. Its encoding close to normal h264 speeds! Glad I took a leap.

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If it's slower but stable... I'm stable with my Vega 64 WC so aside from the novelty of seeing all three of those fans spin up, I think I'm literally better off waiting... 

That novelty tho.....

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OMG it works. Just installed the beta 10.14.5 Beta (public release). Currently, running it through the external monitor no issues yet. Will fire up Final Cut Pro and burn the s**t out of this card because I have been waiting too long for this day. Set up: Macbook Pro 13 (2018) + Razor  Core X + Radeon 7. No software modification other than installing the 10.14.5 Beta and plugging in the egpu unit as you would have if you had the old supported cards (e.g. vega 64/56) . I can run some benchmarks and post if you guys are interested. Very stable so far. 

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Yes, @barretts would love to see benchmarks and hear your impressions running Final Cut.  Awesome.

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Posted by: Barretts

OMG it works.

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Posted by: Juan C. Yunis

@screendor i don't do video editing (i do it on the side but not professionally) or things like that, i'm software engineer so i'm ok testing and using betas. I'm using it mostly for making games in unreal/unity as a hobby or 3d modeling in Mac, and gaming in Bootcamp.

@oliverb lol, i know. But i do have my Macbook Pro in case of something lol, and also time machines backups.

@arden_shibley it is worse, but hey it's stable, so i'm ok with that.

  Is Radeon VII worked in bootcamp already ?

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@a29620509 yes, it works pretty good for me. There are some users like Oliver with performance issues.

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It's working for me with 10.14.5b1, as well.  Metal compute Geekbench score lags behind OpenCL some, but it's still twice as fast as the built-in Vega 20.

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Posted by: Juan C. Yunis

@a29620509 yes, it works pretty good for me. There are some users like Oliver with performance issues.

And how about its gameing performance?

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@a29620509 I have a 2018 Mac Mini with Core 8700B 6 cores 12 threads, 32GB RAM and for the games I'm storing them in a RAID0 enclosure with 2x1TB Seagate FireCuda SSHD, and this setup is giving me great performance in the games I play/tested. I'm running the VII at 3440x1440 with Freesync, also oveeclocked at 2000Mhz on the core and 1275Mhz memory and for example Forza Horizon 4 I get 60-75 ultra settings, The Division 2 ultra DX12 I get 60+, Devil May Cry 5 ultra I get 75+, Resident Evil 2 Remake 70+, Anthem ultra 35-60 (pretty intensive game), Battlefield V ultra 70+, Shadow of War ultra I get 80+ and finally Assassin's Creed Odyssey I get 38-65.

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Wow went away for a couple of days and sooo much good news! Been running 10.14.5b1 and am so pleased I can bring out the Radeon VII after it sitting in my drawer for 3 weeks.

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The benchmarks looks great so far. 

Luxmark is the one that shows the most improvement. V56(64bios) was scoring about 28k, with the kext injection borrowing of Vega10 drivers the Radeon VII was getting about 40k, and now it's 49k - a 75% improvement.

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Geekbench 4 is about 158k, compared to my old V56(64bios) which scored about 140k, which is a 12% improvement.

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Finally Windows side, Radeon VII (tweaked) with 19.3.3 drivers. Superposition benchmark (4K optimized), was about 5.3k with Vega 56, with the Radeon VII, it now hits about 7.3k, a 37% improvement.

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I don't game on Mac OS, but in the one window game I tried so far which is [email protected] Ultra, V56 40 fps is now hitting a 55~65fps, which is a solid 50% improvement.

Edit: As a bonus, this is the Superposition score for a 1080Ti matched with an Lenovo X1 Tablet Gen 3. I think i might be going off Macs soon.

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@a29620509 yes, it works pretty good for me. There are some users like Oliver with performance issues.

And how about its gameing performance?

@juan_c_yunis, There are no global performance issues, I never said this. There some issues with particular games.

I said,  that the Radeon VII is just as good as a GTX1080Ti. Those people who claim this didn't have a good GTX1080Ti to compare.

@a29620509, See these Radeon VII and EVGA GTX 1080 Ti comparing benchmarks,

I did most of the tests with 4k and 5k, too: Same result: GTX1080Ti was clearly better in 21 out of 25 games.

Of course on the other hand, my GTX1080Ti is up to 10% better as the GTX1080Ti of @itsage which he was using in this post. so he may get a different result. So I reduce my statement from "The GTX1080Ti is far superior to RadeonVII" to "My particular EVGA GTX1080Ti is far superior to RadeonVII in my eGPU setup"

The performance differences of different models of GTX1080Ti's aside: The RadeonVII has some big issues in some particular games, especially in open areas, that is Crysis 3, Wolfenstein 1, Doom, Resident Evil 6.
Moreover it looks as Radeon VII suffers more under the TB3 limitation than other cards, which is strange at its H2D-Bandwidth is 15% bigger than that of nVidia cards. So it must something else, unknown.

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Hi there, did somebody test Final Cut Pro, we should have much better improvement there. 

I believe that at current prices the best cost performance is with v56/v64 when using egpu. Even frontier might make sense.

@itsage did you finish the v56 nano setup?

By the way my gaming box rx580 with ultra preset settings at 1080 does 32-35 FPS running boot camp on ext ssd Forza Horizon 4

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Posted by: tsakal

Hi there, did somebody test Final Cut Pro, we should have much better improvement there. 

I believe that at current prices the best cost performance is with v56/v64 when using egpu. Even frontier might make sense.

@itsage did you finish the v56 nano setup?

By the way my gaming box rx580 with ultra preset settings at 1080 does 32-35 FPS running boot camp on ext ssd Forza Horizon 4

Tested BruceX on FCPX 10.4.6 with Radeon VII:
16.34secs (as measured with stopwatch on phone).

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It's the same as a 580. Tbh a lot of software are not fully utilising modern graphics. If you are on a purely professional video edit workflow in FCP X a 580 would be sufficient. I do agree that the Vega 56 is the best value card for Mac egpu right now though. I think you only hop onto the Radeon VII for gaming, or for smoother 4k footage playback (my original Vega was fine for footage playback in FCPX from A7Riii), or if you think software might take further advantage of the extra compute on the Radeon VII, or you have a tremendous amount of effects.

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