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itsage
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@ningauble77 Good to hear AMD eGPU hot-plug is possible on the 2018 13" MacBook Pro too. Like @eightarmedpet mentioned I noticed this new behavior in the 2018 Mac mini and 2016 15" MacBook Pro. Sadly there's some serious issue with the 2017 13" MacBook Pro. I tried W10 1903 again on it yesterday and Radeon drivers corrupted my Windows and causes it to be stuck in boot loop.

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OliverB
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@ningauble77
I had the same sensation after upgrading to 1903. I could hot-plug an AMD eGPU. Huh?

True, but it only worked only once.

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crhendo
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Posted by: Ningauble77

  Additionally, similar to my experience in MacOS, when put to sleep, my fans spin down properly (although in both cases the time it takes to sleep and to wake are much longer than I am accustomed to).

Hi, sounds like you are making considerable progress!

Can I please confirm that when you put MacOS to sleep, your Radeon VII fans spin down as they should? I have still not made any progress on this and am very keen to hear how you achieved this.

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Ningauble77
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Unfortunately, myself and a few other people have not had the sleep fan issue from basically the initial installation forward.  It may be we have a different revision of the pcb, or it could be something specific to the firmware in our enclosures.  Recently there was a post from someone with a very similar configuration, with a 2019 MB Pro 13, Core v2 and Radeon VII on Reddit, which other than the laptop model seemed identical to mine, and he *was* experiencing the fan spinup problem. I would take apart the card to verify pcb revisions, but the thermal material on the Radeon VII is somewhat exotic and difficult to replace.

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craftsman
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Posted by: @wimpzilla

Just to point out that AMD moved R7 to End Of Life 
: https://www.techpowerup.com/257319/amd-retires-the-radeon-vii-less-than-five-months-into-launch

Why bother anymore!

Makes no difference to those who have one already. The drivers will keep fine tuning but you probably won't get firmware updates. AMD did the same thing with the short-lived Fury line up too.

I have noticed that if you disconnect your VII from the Mac using the Menu Bar item only and then put the computer to sleep, the fans on the GPU won't spin up. But then your Mac might have problems waking. So this discovery is a solution and an OS bug at the same time.

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Arden Shibley
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Okay yeah I know geekbench is lame and some people think it's useless, but I finally installed 10.14.5 after waiting to finish a project I had in an older version of Adobe Premiere, I installed the RVII and it's... not as noisy as I thought? But also performs more poorly in geekbench compared to the V64 Wave it replaced.

Sooooo yeah feeling like not worth it at this point. A $1,000 CAD card that's been sitting on my shelf for nearly 6mo and doesn't really outperform cheaper alternatives in any noticeable way.

Geekbench V64 vs RVII on 2018 rMBP i7 16GB Vega 20

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2018 15" MBP, 2.6GHz 32GB 1TB Vega Pro 20, Razer Core X, AMD Radeon VII (Waiting for OS X Drivers), MSI Radeon RX Vega 64 Wave


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palad20
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If you run geekbench on the card in Win 10, you´ll see a totally different number.

this points to the drivers not being optimized for MacOS yet.

I think this card will be one of the options for the new Mac Pro when it comes out later this year. If so, expect it get a lot of love from Apple

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Arden Shibley
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Posted by: palad20

I think this card will be one of the options for the new Mac Pro when it comes out later this year. If so, expect it get a lot of love from Apple

"A lot of love" sounds great! 

Also I also suffer from the sleep fan issue. So bad; so loud.

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kushNYC
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macOS should continue supporting the Vega 20 GCN 5.1 for quite a while since the new Mac Pros will use the same chip - so maybe not too bad for Radeon VII users.

On the other hand, the lack of new Radeon VII firmwares implies that we're not only stuck with our sleep-fan problems but we won't see any other future board-specific optimizations.  Pretty lame.  

Tom's Hardware got this strange reply from AMD.

@itsage can you get confirmation of this from your source?

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2018 MacBook Pro 15" 2.9Ghz i9 32GB Vega 20 + Razer Core X + AMD Radeon VII
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