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Juan C. Yunis
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@itsage makes sense, however i do expect AMD pushing Apple to make it work, according to one of the users here, he contacted AMD and he said that it would be supported for 10.14.4. 

@kelvin_tan @ikir yes it is still unstable, i just had a freeze and had to reboot. So let's hope it gets fixed soon.

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Robin_Martin
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@juan_c_yunis @itsage Bummer. 

I played around with the kext updating process to make sure my rig was working but I haven't stress tested it yet. I might throw some real video editing projects at it this week and see how it handles.

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Kelvin Tan
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With the limited and no-margin rumours of the Radeon VII (rebrwnded instinct cards), don't think Apple will include them for WWDC 2019. It's most probably straight to Navi.

Since there's hardly any margins I don't think AMD will sell it to Apple too since they'll ask for a hefty discount - they can jolly well sell the instinct/Pro cards or use it to jumpstart Navi adoption.

That is a little worrying, as the Radeon VII might not have Apple's attention on support provision. I mean:

  1. Benchmarks of rumoured Navi cards have shown to have improvements on graphics and power consumption at the expense of compute.
  2. Even Radeon VII right now does not offer that much more compute advantage in general mainstream apps.
  3. Moving into Navi directly will allow Apple to push Metal 2 faster and further, especially with gamers etc since it's the benchmark they show on the slides (2x better graphics).
  4. Users who does heavy compute honestly is in Linux or Windows and probably running NVIDIA.
  5. Limited run of Radeon VII chips. I bought direct from the distributor and they mentioned luckily I sent in the card for RMA early because the whole country (major south East Asian country) got below 500 cards with no restock notice.
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Juan C. Yunis
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@kelvin_tan Well, they are definitely working on a Vega 20 driver, if that weren't the case, the device id won't appear in the other files and it wouldn't be possible to use the driver for our card doing the injection. I think that it is planned, maybe a new Mac pro/iMac Pro will use a Vega20 GPU.

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OliverB
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Posted by: Kelvin Tan
  1. Users who does heavy compute honestly is in Linux or Windows and probably running NVIDIA.
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Which is plainly stupid, because AMD cards heavily outperform nVidia cards in computing, unless you want to spend 8000$ for a Titan Volta, GP100 or such overprized thing.

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Kelvin Tan
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Posted by: OliverB
Posted by: Kelvin Tan
  1. Users who does heavy compute honestly is in Linux or Windows and probably running NVIDIA.
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Which is plainly stupid, because AMD cards heavily outperform nVidia cards in computing, unless you want to spend 8000$ for a Titan Volta, GP100 or such overprized thing.

Unfortunately it's the momentum for CUDA and software optimizations. In the engineering industry which I'm in, most are running P5000s or P6000s, but that's professional visualisation.

Local universities which my field of work takes me into runs mostly NVIDIA, with supercomputing clusters running Threadrippers + Voltas/Titans.

I do agree, general hobbyist computing would be better off with AMD, but no IT procurement manager will stick his or her neck out and recommend AMD for industry use at this point in time given lots of software is still optimised for CUDA.

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X1 Yoga Gen3, X1 Tablet Gen 3, MacBook Pro 15" 2018
Razer Core X / Mantiz Venus
Asrock Radeon VII, Zotac Nvidia 1080Ti Amp Core Extreme, Powercolor Vega 56 reference (flashed to V64 bios)


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ikir
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Posted by: Kelvin Tan
Posted by: OliverB
Posted by: Kelvin Tan
  1. Users who does heavy compute honestly is in Linux or Windows and probably running NVIDIA.
  2.  

Which is plainly stupid, because AMD cards heavily outperform nVidia cards in computing, unless you want to spend 8000$ for a Titan Volta, GP100 or such overprized thing.

Unfortunately it's the momentum for CUDA and software optimizations. In the engineering industry which I'm in, most are running P5000s or P6000s, but that's professional visualisation.

Local universities which my field of work takes me into runs mostly NVIDIA, with supercomputing clusters running Threadrippers + Voltas/Titans.

I do agree, general hobbyist computing would be better off with AMD, but no IT procurement manager will stick his or her neck out and recommend AMD for industry use at this point in time given lots of software is still optimised for CUDA.

Most software are implementing OpenCL or Metal at least for macOS side so I would not say “tons”


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ikir
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@itsage

Will Akitio Node Pro support Radeon VII with stock PSU? it think it should since it can give 400W to GPU.


MacBook Pro 13" 2020 Touch Bar M1 8-core CPU 8-core GPU - 16GB unified memory - 512GB PCIe SSD
MacBook Pro 13" 2020 Touch Bar i7 quad-core 2.3Ghz - 16GB RAM - 1TB PCIe SSD

my awesome Radeon VII eGPU
my Mantiz Venus extreme mod with Sapphire Nitro+ RX Vega 64

 
2018 13" MacBook Pro [8th,4C,U] + Radeon VII @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Mantiz Venus) + macOS 10.15 [build link]  


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@ikir AKiTiO Node Pro should be able to handle the Radeon VII fine.

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New beta is out, any good news?


MacBook Pro 13" 2020 Touch Bar M1 8-core CPU 8-core GPU - 16GB unified memory - 512GB PCIe SSD
MacBook Pro 13" 2020 Touch Bar i7 quad-core 2.3Ghz - 16GB RAM - 1TB PCIe SSD

my awesome Radeon VII eGPU
my Mantiz Venus extreme mod with Sapphire Nitro+ RX Vega 64

 
2018 13" MacBook Pro [8th,4C,U] + Radeon VII @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Mantiz Venus) + macOS 10.15 [build link]  


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