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Kelvin Tan
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Well... what do you know lol. This egpu business... @peter_thaler any sleep issues with the Mantiz Venus? I’ll probably try it out next weekend to see if it can be used with the radeon vii.

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@kelvin_tan I don't want to promise anything! in my experience: one day everything is FLY, the next NADA.

But for the moment sleep and shut downs don't produce any blast of fan with the Radeon VII in the Mantiz. All quiet and calm. Wake up as expected.

(Not that I think it makes any difference, but I've upgraded the Mantiz PSU to Enermax 650W)

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For italians eGPU users I've written an article about Radeon VII on macOS beta, anyway erronee could understand the benchmarks vs other 3 Radeon GPUs
https://www.egpu.it/radeon-vii-egpu-su-macos/

I've also uploaded a video on YouTube so you can see how much sexy is Radeon VII and also seeing it at work with Rise of the Tomb Raider and other softwares.


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screendor
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Mille grazi @ikir!   (and thank you google translate).  Glad to see you were getting very good performance with games.  Would love to see more benchmarks re: FCPX.  For me the Bruce X test wasn't impressive vs Radeon 580 Pro.

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Posted by: screendor

Mille grazi @ikir!   (and thank you google translate).  Glad to see you were getting very good performance with games.  Would love to see more benchmarks re: FCPX.  For me the Bruce X test wasn't impressive vs Radeon 580 Pro.

I’m super sure performance will gets better and better. I will test BruceX in the future, I want to wait few betas updates


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screendor
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Interesting article and nice to see eGPU.io get some press:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/04/02/radeon-vii-will-be-compatible-with-macos-mojave-10145

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Juan C. Yunis
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@screendor nice, honestly the beta has been pretty stable, no freezes or nothing bad at all, well except when you put your mac to sleep, the fan revs like crazy with the Razer Core X. This is gonna get better and better.

2018 Mac Mini Core i7 8700B 32GB RAM 512GB SSD + Razer Core X + AMD Radeon VII


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screendor
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Thanks @juan_c_yunis.  I'm new to all of this.  So the expectation is that each dot release of the OS, they improve the GPU drivers and you get better performance over time, right?

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Robin_Martin
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Really stable for me as well. I’ve done lots of testing in FCPX with a variety of footage (R3D, ProRes, ProRes Raw, H.264) and the performance is solid. Clean and fast exports, but only about a 15% gain over the Vega 20 in the MBP. I’m hoping to see some more speed in the official release.

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Juan C. Yunis
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@screendor well, 10.14.5 beta 1 brought initial support for Radeon VII, so it's very likely that every new beta for 10.14.5 would improve/fix issues the VII driver. (Hopefully)

@robin_martin yeah 15% means bad performance, but yeah it makes sense because Geekbench reports bad results, however, i'm getting better results with LuxMark.

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Robin_Martin
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@juan_c_yunis Yeah, I’m definitely hoping for more out of the card. I’ll check out LuxMark and see how that compares.

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GerryB007
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Hey Guys, I bought today a AMD VII and wanted to use it with my RAZOR CORE X, but it didn't worked...and finally I tried the support chat but they only told me that the RAZOR Enclosure support the AMD VII but only with WINDOS because APPLE hasn't a suitable thunderbold driver and Apple have a list from 2019 which shows all supported Graphics for the use with an eGPU Enclosure...but finally I googled and found this discussion and it helped me to think in the right direction....so I tried to update my osx to 10.14.4  but it still not worked...BUT I after updated to the 10.14.5 (Beta) and now it works... 😀 ...I wanted only to share it in case you still have no solution...

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Kelvin Tan
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@GerryB007

thats great! Is your Radeon VII fans going max blast inside the Razer core X on computer sleep or shutdown?

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crhendo
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While I still have no solution for the Radeon VII fans spinning when my Mac Mini sleeps, I have just plugged a Dell XPS 15 (9550) into the Razer Core X and, while it handles sleep without any problems, when I power down the XPS 15 the fans start spinning at Max speed and won't stop until I physically disconnect the Thunderbolt cable.

It's a shame that nobody at Razer appears to be tracking this. Given the inconsistent behaviour, I'm starting to think that MAYBE their box is the root of the problem.

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GerryB007
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I had the same problem, but I switched of the sleeping mode on my macbook...so it is solved...

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Posted by: Juan C. Yunis

@screendor nice, honestly the beta has been pretty stable, no freezes or nothing bad at all, well except when you put your mac to sleep, the fan revs like crazy with the Razer Core X. This is gonna get better and better.

@juan_c_yunis, do the fans spin up to max on shut down as well or just sleep? I'm currently unplugging my CoreX when using MacOS and plugging back in (before power up) when I run Bootcamp. And when I power down (from Bootcamp) the "R" logo on the card powers off, but the fan power up to max (until I unplug the TB3 cable to the CoreX). 

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Juan C. Yunis
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@ejony it doesn't happen when i power off my mac mini only when i put it to sleep.

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Posted by: Juan C. Yunis

@ejony it doesn't happen when i power off my mac mini only when i put it to sleep.

Thanks @juan_c_yunis! I actually think that is good news. Since the correct behavior happens at shut down, it seems likely that this will be fixed. Please confirm that the red "R" LED turns off when you shut down (and at sleep). Just curious.

@kelvin_tan, what made you ask about shut down? are you seeing the same max fan issue at shut down in MacOS or from BootCamp?

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Monaldinio
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https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/04/02/radeon-vii-will-be-compatible-with-macos-mojave-10145

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screendor
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Well, I spoke too soon.  Fans do spin up on sleep--just not immediately.  Like after a few minutes.  Hopefully this gets fixed?  

And here's an interesting thread you folks might enjoy:
https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/radeon-vii-and-new-amd-gpus-compatibility.269128/page-23#post-1935675

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ikir
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So far performance are pretty good considering its beta status. I had 2 freeze during gaming, but it was quite expected considering how young the driver is. I think Radeon nVII is shaping very good on macOS, let's wait next betas.


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I’ve tested the Radeon VII in sleep mode with several enclosures, both Macs and Windows laptops. The only enclosure that doesn’t send the Radeon VII‘s fans to run full speed is the Mantiz Venus. Sonnet Breakaway Boxes and enclosures that use the same main board as the Mantiz Venus would likely behave the same.

In macOS the Mac would go to sleep but the Radeon VII eGPU itself stays on. The RADEON and R cube remain on.

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Juan C. Yunis
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@itsage could you contact Razer? you being the admin and found of this forum could be a heavy weight and maybe they could release a firmware update. Also, If I'm correct the Core X uses a newer TB3 controller compared to the Mantiz right? so that could be the cause of the problem.

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@juan_c_yunis I think this full-speed fan issue has to do with the Radeon VII rather than the enclosures. It’s not certified for eGFX use and has not worked right with any enclosures. Unfortunately we have to wait for Intel, Apple, AMD, and Thunderbolt vendors to sort this out.

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Omg you guys... my computer just auto updated to 10.14.5 Beta 1.... Hahahaha. I think I got complacent and hit "Install updates 1hr from now" and then went to eat dinner.

Should I restart and replace my Vega 64 with the RVII? I'm dying to know how loud those damn fans are.. lmao

Edit: Restored to 10.14.4. Failed..... Restored to a second time machine drive I made before nervously updating to 10.14.4, it actually happened to have copies of both 14.3 and 14.4 on it, so I'm running a March 28th version of my computer now... Waste of an hour and a half. lol

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Kelvin Tan
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@juan_c_yunis I think this full-speed fan issue has to do with the Radeon VII rather than the enclosures. It's not certified for eGFX use and has not worked right with any enclosures. Unfortunately we have to wait for Intel, Apple, AMD, and Thunderbolt vendors to sort this out.

@itsage didn't it work okay with the mantiz Venus? Brought it to the office today to do the smd rework and was planning to replace the core X with it.

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Posted by: itsage

The only enclosure that doesn't send the Radeon VII's fans to run full speed is the  Mantiz Venus . Sonnet Breakaway Boxes and enclosures that use the same main board as the  Mantiz Venus  would likely behave the same.

Sorry guys, same prob with Sonnet Breakaway 650 and Radeon VII. I don't use sleep mode (deactivated for clamshell mode and when the MBP shoud run overnight), but every MBP powering off (from macOS and BootCamp) leads to the fan issue.
As I already mentioned before, I had the same issues with my former Vega64 in the same enclosure.

At the moment I just use a power cord with an integrated switch, so 2 seconds later it's quiet again. 😉
Unplugging the TB3 cable also works of course.

I also think that it is an enclosure thing (firmware), because my former-former Gigabyte Gaming Box 1070 had exactly the same issues and they released a FW update to fix this.

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Posted by: Roedi78
Posted by: itsage

The only enclosure that doesn't send the Radeon VII's fans to run full speed is the  Mantiz Venus . Sonnet Breakaway Boxes and enclosures that use the same main board as the  Mantiz Venus  would likely behave the same.

I also think that it is an enclosure thing (firmware), because my former-former Gigabyte Gaming Box 1070 had exactly the same issues and they released a FW update to fix this.

Would we be able to confirm this if someone has a non-MacBook laptop connected to the Core X/Radeon VII combo and is having the same power down fan issue?

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Kelvin Tan
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@eJony

MacOS/Bootcamp(MBP2018 15") + Razer Core X/Radeon VII:
Fans full blast on sleep or power off, until disconnection or enclosure power down

Windows/Fedora 29(X1 Tablet Gen 3) + Mantiz Venus/Radeon VII:
Everything works normally.

Will try with X1 Tablet Gen 3 + Razer Core X/Radeon VII this weekend.

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@kelvin_tan The Mantiz Venus + Radeon VII doesn’t run the fans full blast but it stays on when the connected Mac is asleep/off. While it’s better than having loud noise, it’s not working properly still.

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eJony
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Posted by: Kelvin Tan

@eJony

Will try with X1 Tablet Gen 3 + Razer Core X/Radeon VII this weekend.

 

Thanks @Kelvin_tan. Maybe we need a firmware change for the Radeon VII rather than a firmware change for the Core X? Looking forward to your feedback.

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I know my interest here is limited primarily to FCPX, but results so far are very good.  The rig is stable and really able to handle anything I'm throwing at in normal editing--doesn't kludge down and/or crash like the 580.

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Juan C. Yunis
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@itsage so maybe is the driver that it is still beta.

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An interesting tangent I noticed yesterday, is that Razer recently updated their tech specs pages for both the Core X and Core v2, and both of them list Radeon VII as qualified gpu's.  They also added the RTX cards to both lists as well.  The Mac compatible list still doesn't show Radeon VII, for obvious reasons being beta only and all.

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@kelvin_tan The Mantiz Venus + Radeon VII doesn't run the fans full blast but it stays on when the connected Mac is asleep/off. While it's better than having loud noise, it's not working properly still.

Even though my HL23T's 300W PSU is not powerful enough for Radeon VII, it behaves correctly when the TB3 cable is unplugged or when I put Mac to sleep, fans are not spinning at all. No sleep mode with my DIYed Seasonic 500W PSU because the 3-pin is disconnected, always stays on and fans spinning silently. With Asus XG Station Pro the fans are running at full speed.

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Kelvin Tan
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@itsage Welp you were right, the Mantiz Venus only half worked. I think it has something to do with the card rather than the enclosure.

Mantiz Venus + Radeon VII

  • Macbook Pro 15" 2018 (left rear TB3 port)
    • Sleep:  Fans low speed, card lights on
    • Shutdown:  Fans full blast, card lights on
  • X1 Tablet Gen 3
    • Sleep: Fans low speed, card lights on
    • Shutdown: Fans full blast, card lights on

Razer Core X + Radeon VII

  • Macbook Pro 15" 2018 (left rear TB3 port)
    • Sleep:  Fans full blast, card lights on
    • Shutdown:  Fans full blast, card lights on
  • X1 Tablet Gen 3
    • Sleep: Fans full speed, card lights on
    • Shutdown: Fans full blast, card lights on

It probably has something to do with the Radeon VII firmware detection of power state, or a firmware issue on the card itself. Let's hope AMD pushes out some updates to resolve this.

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