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itsage
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I installed 10.14.5 Beta 2 just now. Mantiz Venus + Radeon VII turns off and remains quiet when I shut down 2018 Mac mini. Sleep mode behaves like Beta 1. The Mac mini would go to sleep but Radeon VII stays on and fans run moderately, not full speed.

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I installed 10.14.5 Beta 2 just now. Mantiz Venus + Radeon VII turns off and remains quiet when I shut down 2018 Mac mini. Sleep mode behaves like Beta 1. The Mac mini would go to sleep but Radeon VII stays on and fans run moderately, not full speed.

I can confirm exactly the same behaviour with Beta 2 on my Razer Core X with Radeon VII. Sleep occurs with fans running just above half speed. Still too noisy to ignore!

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Just a quick heads up on how strong the compute power of the Radeon VII is:

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The Radeon VII is quite a strong performer, especially in double precision tasks (even with its DP cores limited artificially). In games you won't see much of a difference, but if more software evolves and takes advantage of GPGPU computing the Radeon VII will pull ahead.

The only issue is when games or software evolves there probably will be one or two generations of GPUs ahead of the Radeon VII.

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itsage
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@kelvin_tan Nice comparison table! The Radeon VII is a very strong compute card. Problem is AMD announced and marketed it a Gaming GPU.

I left the Mantiz Venus + Radeon VII connected to my Mac mini in sleep mode overnight. At one point the Mac mini crashed and shut down. Radeon VII fans ran full blast and woke me up.

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@ Kelvin Tan

Humm quite impressed by the FP64 of VegaII, i mean i thought AMD kept the 1/16 FP32 ratio for the double precision like Vega.

It seems instead the FP32/FP64 ratio have been pushed to almost 1/4 quite impressing, much as the memory copy speed.

These cards are a true beast when it come to crunch numbers.

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@kelvin_tan nice chart. The “reference Vega 64” is your flashed 56 right? Because the SP FLOPs seem much lower (a true 64 would do 13.3 TFLOPs or roundabout). Also the 1080 Ti did rather well on that. IIRC it typically maxes out at 11-12 TFLOPs in-between for a reference model. The memory boost seen in the Radeon VII is remarkable.

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It's still interesting  in SP Mandel the GTX1080Ti beats the competition while losing in the most other categories.

About FP64 Performance:
Yes, the Radeon VII FP64 is impressing, but nearly useless in most application including rendering and image/video processing.

Double precision can be important for scientific calculation, but who does this? Is there anybody in the eGPU community doing numeric calculations/simulations? I don't think so. 80% is gaming, the other 20% doing some Movie/Imaging stuff. Double precision being superfluous.

I did such simulations for my PhD, but this is long ago, now  I have a Titan Black which can do 1700 Flops in FP64 (yes, you heard it from a 5 year old card), but don't do any scientific research anymore...a pity.

@kelvin_tan In the comparing table there is something wrong: I guess the comparing column headers should be "Radeon VII vs GTX1080Ti", "Radeon VII vs V64" and the last one is correct: "V64 vs GTx1080Ti".

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@oliverb Agreed. Applications of FP64 compute are rather limited to the scientific community in most cases - where accuracy is important. Games don't need so much accuracy, or at least the performance hit is simply not worth it. SP and even support for half-precision is more reflective of performance with respect to games. In general though, FLOPs should be taken with a grain of salt (a Vega 64 has more FLOPs but is easily slower than a 1080 Ti in games). Nonetheless cool results either way.

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@OliverB :Is there anybody in the eGPU community doing numeric calculations/simulations? I don't think so. 80% is gaming, the other 20% doing some Movie/Imaging stuff. Double precision being superfluous."

Do you think this will change as they enhance the drivers? Are you saying this is not a great card for gaming and video processing (my interest being the latter)?  Thanks.

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@OliverB :Is there anybody in the eGPU community doing numeric calculations/simulations? I don't think so. 80% is gaming, the other 20% doing some Movie/Imaging stuff. Double precision being superfluous."

Do you think this will change as they enhance the drivers? Are you saying this is not a great card for gaming and video processing (my interest being the latter)?  Thanks.

Radeon VII is a still good card in many aspects. I made extensive tests with it and it's little bit unfair to compare it with a superclocked GTX1080Ti in gaming.  When it's fully supported in MacOSX its value is higher than a GTX1080Ti, where High Sierra seems to be the end of road. 

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@juan_c_yunis wondering if you can  give me some guidance? Im able to get my setup to work on the MAC OS side  (setup: 17 MacBook Pro + Razor Core + AMD Radeon VII + LG UL 4k Monitor). Im trying to get this to work on the windows 10 side, via bootcamp and when I boot up on the windows side I get a message that my displayport version may cause the LG screen to dark and it wont connect. Any help would be much appreciated... looking to use it for gaming.

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Posted by: p_gartner

@juan_c_yunis wondering if you can  give me some guidance? Im able to get my setup to work on the MAC OS side  (setup: 17 MacBook Pro + Razor Core + AMD Radeon VII + LG UL 4k Monitor). Im trying to get this to work on the windows 10 side, via bootcamp and when I boot up on the windows side I get a message that my displayport version may cause the LG screen to dark and it wont connect. Any help would be much appreciated... looking to use it for gaming.

Just to understand what you are trying to do, are you trying to use the VII display port output to the LG 4K?
If that is correct, it shouldn't work. Because the LG is a TB 3 monitor, not display port. It doesn't support display port connection.
You will need the LG to be connected to the macbook pro TB3 ports in order to make it work. I don't know if you can boost it in bootcamp though.

In my own setup I have the 5K connected to the macbook pro, while I have the eGPU power another monitor in bootcamp. They both work, but the dGPU in the macbook pro is powering the LG.

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Posted by: screendor

@OliverB :Is there anybody in the eGPU community doing numeric calculations/simulations? I don't think so. 80% is gaming, the other 20% doing some Movie/Imaging stuff. Double precision being superfluous."

Do you think this will change as they enhance the drivers? Are you saying this is not a great card for gaming and video processing (my interest being the latter)?  Thanks.

@screendor not too sure for FCP X and PPro/AE (my testing with FCP X yields very little benefits), but Davinci Resolve seems to have tremendous gains with the Radeon VII, as seen in a review by Puget Systems. This is for Windows though.

Basically in Resolve, for any editing that is more than basic level, the Radeon VII is faster than the 2080Ti, and significantly faster than the 2080.

DaVinci Resolve 15: AMD Radeon VII 16GB Performance 2019 04 11 00 12 51

edit: turns out they did testing for Adobe software too with the Radeon VII - Nvidia is still king for Adobe.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/After-Effects-CC-2019-AMD-Radeon-VII-16GB-Performance-1381/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Photoshop-CC-2019-AMD-Radeon-VII-16GB-Performance-1379/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2019-AMD-Radeon-VII-vs-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-1395/

If you are an Adobe user in Windows, an Nvidia gpu still makes more sense. I suspect this is why Blackmagic touts their egpu solutions as made for their software - adobe uses Nvidia, fcp x barely saturates an rx580, and only resolve starts taxing the Radeon VII.

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Thanks for the update @kelvin_tan.   So it seems as if I may have purchased a doorstep--unless something changes with the drivers and/or FCPX is tweaked to take full advantage of it.  Time will tell.  Hopefully at the June WWDC and OS 10.15—and a new update of FCPX, thing improve...

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@Kelvin_tan I tested Resolve vs Adobe AME: XAVC, ProRes and H.264 are all faster using AME to render ProRes Proxies. Resolve only pulled ahead with XAVC-I from FS7.

Each used the GPU to almost 100% except for H.264 which only hit about 60%.

You could make the argument that Resolve has better GPU utilization (I'm not sure it does) but for my tests, actual speed trumps technical utilization and I'm gonna stick to Adobe AME unless I'm specifically in need of a bunch of proxies from an FS7 and in a super hurry. Otherwise I prefer AME's front-facing workflow rather than the import/export nature of Resolve.

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@arden_shibley I'm not making any arguments haha. Just passing around found benchmarks while waiting for the Radeon VII to solve it's whirring fan issue.

As a professional video editor(?), I'm sure you are in a better position to advise compared to me a mere hobbyist in this. Good to see AME utilising the GPU to it's max in ingesting and convert!

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@defoler thanks for the reply! Yes, thats what I was trying to do. I watched a video on 9t05 where he set it up that way and it was working. its weird, if I use displayport from the LG to my Caldigit TS2, the monitor and mac seem to work and I don't get the displayport message. its just when I go from the razor core x to the LG. Do i need to be downloading any drivers for the core, lg or V11 before connect?

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I've done a fair bit of testing in FCPX and it's interesting to see how NLEs use the hardware in different ways.

In Final Cut, decoding long GOP or IPB footage (XAVC, H.264, etc.) or R3D footage is more CPU intensive but barely touches the GPU. ProRes or All-I codecs require drive performance. It's only when adding GPU-accelerated plugins (stylized looks, distortions, etc.) and transcoding/exporting that the GPU gets stressed beyond whatever is needed to drive displays and general UI responsiveness.

I haven't been able to play with any 360º footage yet, but I'd image that hits the GPU somewhat as well.

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@robin_Martin .  Yes, that mirrors my experience.  When the new modular Mac Pro launches (at WWDC methinks), I imagine FCPX will be tweaked to take better advantage of eGPUs--since that's likely to be how the GPU is configured.  Will they?  Dunno.  Will they optimize for Radeon VII (in addition to other currently "approved" eGPUs like the 580 and Vega 64)?  Dunno.  Hope so.  Big time.

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Dunno.  Hope so.  Big time.

100% I’m really hoping WWDC gives us a clearer idea of where Apple is headed.

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@defoler would it be worth a try to purchase a usb c - displayport 1.2 adapter or just send the monitor back and get something else???

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Posted by: p_gartner

@defoler thanks for the reply! Yes, thats what I was trying to do. I watched a video on 9t05 where he set it up that way and it was working. its weird, if I use displayport from the LG to my Caldigit TS2, the monitor and mac seem to work and I don't get the displayport message. its just when I go from the razor core x to the LG. Do i need to be downloading any drivers for the core, lg or V11 before connect?

Do you have a link to where they have used the LG UL display?
From what I have seen, they used the 5K2K, which is a different display, that does support displayport.

I'm not sure usbc-DP adapter will work. Maybe you can find someone on this forums that have been able to make it work, I don't know. But as far as I know, the LG monitors that are sold on the apple site, are not DP compatible for display directly. You can daisy chain from it, and the Caldigit TS2 also output TB (not just DP), but directly from GPU to the LG, I'm not sure it will work.

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@defoler ugh... I think your right, not sure why I chose this monitor all the resources I pulled from specifically used the 5k2k. Looks like I will be sending this back.

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Posted by: p_gartner

@juan_c_yunis wondering if you can  give me some guidance? Im able to get my setup to work on the MAC OS side  (setup: 17 MacBook Pro + Razor Core + AMD Radeon VII + LG UL 4k Monitor). Im trying to get this to work on the windows 10 side, via bootcamp and when I boot up on the windows side I get a message that my displayport version may cause the LG screen to dark and it wont connect. Any help would be much appreciated... looking to use it for gaming.

Where are you based? Are you talking about Ultrafine LG displays? If so I may have the cable you need... it doesnt work with my 5K as it uses TB3 but the 4K uses USB C.

Just noticed you are from NY... as luck would have it my pal who also lives in NY is visiting me in London this weekend... so getting you the cable could be an easy task... (if you are interested).

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@p_gartner sorry for the late answer, but honestly i haven't tested any 4k/5k monitor that uses USB-C or TB3 to connect. You said that you are using the display port cable, and you don't have issues with macOS, only Windows 10, did you update your VII firmware/drivers to the latest version, also have you tested other cables? I was reading that it also supports HDMI, could you test that? Also, the HDMI of that monitor supports adaptive sync and HDR-4k60.

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Anyone else upgraded to 10.14.5 public beta 2 and having issues running unigine benches in MacOS?  Both Heaven and Valley crash on start for me.  Games I have tried work ok (Elder Scrolls Online and World of Warcraft).  I took the plunge and bought a Radeon VII, have it up and running in MacOS and Windows now but wanted to do some benching before I put up a build guide.

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@ningauble77 i ran heaven and valley, and they worked for me, i have 10.15 beta 2 with Razer Core X + XFX VII

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Thanks, maybe I have outdated versions or something, I downloaded them in 2013.  I'm going to try to get fresh copies.

(UPDATE:  downloaded fresh copy of Valley, still crashing)

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@juan_c_yunis ... No worries, so I did test every other cable options plus utilizing my Caldigit TS2. With that said I sent it back today, as soon as I get my refund I am going to purchase something else. I'm looking at the LG LG34WK95U UltraWide 34-inch 5K2K display ( https://goo.gl/rcnnD1 ). In all the tutorials I has seemed it work.

I really want a monitor that will work with the razor core x + VII, plus I'm content creator (creative director) so I would like it to be great for that and then be able to jump on the windows side and do some lite gaming. lmao.. am asking for to much! Anyway, do you have any other monitors in mind that will work for me? Im not super picky went it come to 4k/5k, just want things to work and be able to run APEX Legends... thanks for getting back to me.

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@p_gartner I'm using a BenQ PD2700U on my Core X + VII and it works great. The Radeon drivers in Windows recognize it as FreeSync capable, too.

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@robin_martin thanks I will look into that as well! thanks for the info, I have heard great things about BenQ. Is there a 32 inch of that model?

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@p_gartner The 3200U is in the same series of monitors. https://www.benq.com/en-us/monitor/designer/pd3200u.html

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@robin_martin .. Thanks so much! I think I'm gonna go with one of these BenQ's. The price is much more easier to swallow than the LG's! Debating if I should get 2 of your version or 1 of the 3200U.

Thanks again for the input, super helpful.

@robin_martin Do you think these newer models with the tb3 IO will work or should i just play it safe and go with what i know works?  https://www.benq.com/en-us/monitor/designer/pd3220u/specifications.html

I did a comparison between the 2 models, didnt see much of a differennce but i could be missing something in the specs that you may know...

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hi everybody I am new to the forum. I recently bought an iMac i5 2018 with razor x and Vega 64 and everything working fine on osx and bootcamp window 10. Now I want to return the Vega 64 for the Radeon VII. Do you know the procedure that I have to follow to not messed with the old drivers from the Vega 64 on bootcamp? Thanks. It also my system is connecting with display port on egpu and lg 27ul650. I am on 10.15 beta 2

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@p_gartner I'm on the fence about TB3 I/O and went the CalDigit TS3+ route so that I can separate all the other stuff from video/graphics and RAID storage.

I'm not sure if there are any performance differences with driving the display directly off the eGPU instead of routing through TB3, but it's how I prefer to run it.

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@robin_martin awesome thanks, makes perfect sense. I think thats a smart route and the way going to go because I wouldn't want to be in the same position I am now with TB3 I/O performance issues.

One last question, do you think i should upgrate from my CalDigit TS2 to the TS3+ for what I'm looking to do? I'm not really separating much more at the moment. I may do RAID storage or a NAS system in the future but not now.

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