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Anyone experiencing system freezes with their eGPU? Screen just freezes requirin...
 

Anyone experiencing system freezes with their eGPU? Screen just freezes requiring reboot. Happens mostly while gaming, but also when no game is running  

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milkyjoe2
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 I have an Akitio Node over Thunderbolt 2 (tb3>tb2 adapter), with Boot Camp Windows 10 64-bit on a mid-2015 15" Macbook Pro, using an Nvidia GTX 1080.

If you are having or have had this problem and share any of the same elements of my setup, pls post here to help diagnose the issue. Is it the node? the node's firmware? using node with Macbook pro? node with 2015 MBP? nvidia gpu/driver? etc

Another egpu user I know is also having the same issue, has Node, 2015 15" MBP and Nvidia GTX (not 1080) gpu, but I need more info on this from other people

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I had one freeze so far, on my nMP 6,1, under Sierra, with ASUS Rog XG Station 2, and NVIDIA Titan X

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I've been experiencing some freezes just after sign in on MacOS. I'm using a 2015 mbp, akitio thunder2 and gigabyte gtx 980ti. Btw, I'm thinking of getting a gtx 1080. How is it on MacOs? Also, which games do you play and at what fps/settings?

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Posted by: Rycco

 

I've been experiencing some freezes just after sign in on MacOS. I'm using a 2015 mbp, akitio thunder2 and gigabyte gtx 980ti. Btw, I'm thinking of getting a gtx 1080. How is it on MacOs? Also, which games do you play and at what fps/settings?

   

i literally dont use macos for anything other than managing bootcamp partition, windows only. do you use bootcamp windows at all? i expect you would have mentioned it if you did. my freeze in windows sometimes happens very soon after startup too. i wonder if it's akitio issue.

1080 is greatish, but at 1080p. GTA V is the only game i play (might get doom (demo runs perfect maxed) and PUBG). i do max all settings at 1080p and i do get fairly airtight locked 60 fps with vsync and about 65/75-90/130 without vsync. but there are some disappointments with it, such as dipping below 60, albeit rarely, and not having true max including advanced settings, not to mention that it's only 1080p i was hoping for 1440p (near) maxed. tbh i'm disappointed, but i guess i'm just asking too much of it and not very willing to compromise on quality. i did expect performance loss but i didnt expect the guides which said 10-15% loss compared to desktop to be so accurate... my benchmark is 11% under desktop.

i have recently been mulling over selling whole setup and going desktop. or maybe i just need upgrade to tb3 to beat my stutter at my desired settings and fps

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Posted by: Sovereign

 

I had one freeze so far, on my nMP 6,1, under Sierra, with ASUS Rog XG Station 2, and NVIDIA Titan X

   

how long have you had your egpu setup? and when was the freeze? during rendering/gaming or just after startup?

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Posted by: milkyjoe2

 

Posted by: Sovereign

 

I had one freeze so far, on my nMP 6,1, under Sierra, with ASUS Rog XG Station 2, and NVIDIA Titan X

   

how long have you had your egpu setup? and when was the freeze? during rendering/gaming or just after startup?

   

I had it running for just over a day, let it also running during the night. System is normally rock stable.  Happened during web browsing, nothing spectacular really. I've also tested the enclosure under Windows 10 on my HP 840Z workstation also via TB2<->TB3 adapter and using TB3 connected to an Intel Nuc. Not experienced any freezes on those systems yet.

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Yes, it does freeze - Thunder2 / 1080Mini

Not sure why - can't tell from the logs either. 

 

No gaming, just regular work  - Slack, web etc.

 

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I've not had a freeze while playing but in Finder several times.

Even with yesterdays new web drivers.

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I had 2 freezes so far both while gaming - StarcraftII, Dota2. No problem with GTA5, SF5, LOL and when not gaming.

My system is NUC Skull Canyon, Radeon RX 480, AOC G2460PG with Xconnect on. I noticed the freezes only started after added another harddisk to make it RAID0 but i guess this should not be the cause.

 

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Posted by: peterlss

I had 2 freezes so far both while gaming - StarcraftII, Dota2. No problem with GTA5, SF5, LOL and when not gaming.

My system is NUC Skull Canyon, Radeon RX 480, AOC G2460PG with Xconnect on. I noticed the freezes only started after added another harddisk to make it RAID0 but i guess this should not be the cause.

 

Hi peterlss,

What AMD driver are you using?  What Intel Graphics driver are you using?

Is your NUC fully updated - meaning system BIOS, Thunderbolt firmware, etc.?

P.S. Latest officially released Intel Graphics Driver:   https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/26772/Graphics-Intel-Graphics-Driver-for-Windows-15-45-?product=80939

Intel released NVM update for NUC:   https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/89187/Intel-NUC-Kit-NUC6i7KYK

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So far, I have not experienced any screen freeze after Akitio customer service told me to update the eGPU firmware (he mentioned for throughput fix)...

Thanks for the advice.

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Had maybe 3 freezes in the row. Just regular work. Not sure what even to look for in the logs.

 

What's strange is that the mouse and trackpad work, but not keyboard and interface is not responsive.

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Posted by: reptilianbrain

Had maybe 3 freezes in the row. Just regular work. Not sure what even to look for in the logs.

 

What's strange is that the mouse and trackpad work, but not keyboard and interface is not responsive.

It Pascal driver issue. We all have this. AMD didn't have this issue neither Nvidia series 7xx or 9xx


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I think it's a lack of enough power. 400w is barely enough for a GTX 960. My hang is if the eGPU is powered on at boot.

I have to power the eGPU off... Boot my macpro , power up the eGPU, and then reboot. All is good, most of the time.

I don't want to risk corrupting my os ssd so I am looking for a 600w power supply.

390 watts are available to the GPU in the akitio node.  Not enough for a medium to high performance GPU.

 

 

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Posted by: Jerry Normandin

I think it's a lack of enough power. 400w is barely enough for a GTX 960. My hang is if the eGPU is powered on at boot.

I have to power the eGPU off... Boot my macpro , power up the eGPU, and then reboot. All is good, most of the time.

I don't want to risk corrupting my os ssd so I am looking for a 600w power supply.

390 watts are available to the GPU in the akitio node.  Not enough for a medium to high performance GPU.

 

 

400w is more than enough for a GTX 960. Perhaps you meant a different card.

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Posted by: Jerry Normandin

390 watts are available to the GPU in the akitio node.  Not enough for a medium to high performance GPU.

 

 

390W is enough for practically every single consumer GPU ever made, with very, very few exceptions (such as peak consumption on Vega, dual-GPU setups like the R9 295x2 or Radeon Pro Duo and a few other very high consumption cards in history).

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Posted by: Jerry Normandin

I think it's a lack of enough power. 400w is barely enough for a GTX 960. My hang is if the eGPU is powered on at boot.

I have to power the eGPU off... Boot my macpro , power up the eGPU, and then reboot. All is good, most of the time.

I don't want to risk corrupting my os ssd so I am looking for a 600w power supply.

390 watts are available to the GPU in the akitio node.  Not enough for a medium to high performance GPU.

 

 

You are confusing PSU system requirement meant for entire PC with only GPU power requirements. In most online GPU specs, vender suggest PSU power considering the entire PC.

I don't know if Nvidia released newer and more reliable drivers, but this is the reason I switched to AMD.


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Sorry my card is Zotec GTX 970

When the GPU fans ramp up or initializes... It locks up the Mac pro.

 

It's a cheap enough test... I am getting a 600 Watt ps tonight. That's 580 watts available to the GPU.  Plenty

 

 

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Having the same problem once every two or three days. It only happens when gaming. But the system and internal display will be bring back to life if I just disconnect the eGPU's thunderbolt cable.

My set up is Akitio Node + MSI GTX980Ti + late 2014 iMac 5k + Bootcamp Win10 + external display. 

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I figured the issue out.  I have a Mac Pro Tin Can.   I tried trial and error with every thunderbolt port. Apparently only thunder bolt port 5 & 6 initialize an eGPU properly .  That is the bottom tb ports.

So only two egpus allowed. 

 

I originally thought the atikito node didn't deliver enough power on initial power up at boot.

 

I was wrong.  It is all in the  tb initialization timing.

I had boinc running with my GTX 970 egpu.  it was kicking butt!  3 hours running. The zoltac GTX 970 spinning fans at high speed.. 100% eGPU utilization

No lock ups!

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I experience crashes in MacOS too. My setup:

 

I had a look in the logs several times and they indeed suggested a powering issue linked to a kernel panic (GPU related) but that just can not be the case. If the setup is not enough evidence, let me add that crashes only happen in MacOS and during regular work or startup/shutdown. It never happens in Windows or when gaming (any system).

Furthermore, it seems to always happen in relation to application windows/tabs (open, close or update) so personally, I suspect bad hardware or drivers. And if the drivers are indeed bad (quite likely), the issue clearly doesn't concern Pascal cards only.

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Hi guys!

Having the same problem in Windows 10. From time to time, eGPU shuts down, fan on the 1060 goes to maximum, system still works but I need to restart to reboot eGPU.

  • MacBook Pro 13" late 2016
  • Akitio TB3
  • 1060 6gb
  • 350W source
  • eGPU plugged in top right TB3 port

Did you guys managed to solve this?

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a techsupport guy i spoke to, after asking quite a few others who didn't know, said it sounded like a gpu conflict. how many of us have discrete internal graphics alongside our egpus and never used a script to disable or manage the two gpus? i have a discrete amd gpu in my MBP and never used one, just plugged and played. the more i think about it based on the behaviour of freezing, the more i suspect it could be the problem.

(im using boot camp windows 10) 

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I had many freezes when I had Nvidia GPU yes, you can find many threads about Nvidia freezing. Solved switching to AMD Radeon!


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milkyjoe2
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you mean, solved by stopping the switching to AMD? how did you do it?

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