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mrtang42
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Posted by: mac_editor
Posted by: goalque
 
Your problem is very likely the VBIOS. My Sapphire reference RX 480 8GB  + Mid 2015 MBP M370X works via direct TB2 and TB2-to-TB3 adapter on High Sierra (first beta), and DP-DP connection.

This might probably be the case for my GPU as well, albeit an MSI Armor RX 480 4GB@FricoRico's suggestion might actually work. I believe this is a single 8-pin card, however the VRAM is different.

You could also try to flash your GPU with a Sapphire bios to see if it works. I believe RX480 has duel bios, and you should be fine even the flashed bios is failed. 

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FrancoisC
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I'm curious, if I order the Apple dev kit and use it with my mini (I have both a 2012 and 2014) and use a tb3 to tb2 adapter, will I get a boot screen since it's an official kit?

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No boot screen. It's not a big deal really.

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Hi, guys.

 

Can anyone confirm that either Apple's EGPU dev kit - or Akitio's Node enclosure - works with late 2012 iMacs with TB 1, while using the beta of High Sierra?

 

Thank you so much in advance.

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Hey guys, planning to use High Sierra Beta with Venus and RX Vega when it comes out, paired to a 2017 MBP with RP560. As far as I can tell this should work since Venus is TI83.

So excited to finally see eGPU support from Apple.

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itsage
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The drivers for Vega cards are in 10.13 Public Beta. eGPU support is not certain but my bet is it will be supported when Apple releases the iMac Pro at the end of the year. 😀

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Posted by: Munchlax

Hey guys, planning to use High Sierra Beta with Venus and RX Vega when it comes out, paired to a 2017 MBP with RP560. As far as I can tell this should work since Venus is TI83.

So excited to finally see eGPU support from Apple.

We also need to understand how much power RX Vega will need.

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I'm pretty sure the Mantiz Venus can handle the RX Vega power requirement. I tried a Radeon Pro Duo that needs three 8-pin PCIe power cables. Of all the eGPU enclosures I have, the 450W PSU in the Mantiz Venus is the only one that could power that beast.

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Posted by: mac_editor
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Your problem is very likely the VBIOS. My Sapphire reference RX 480 8GB  + Mid 2015 MBP M370X works via direct TB2 and TB2-to-TB3 adapter on High Sierra (first beta), and DP-DP connection.

This might probably be the case for my GPU as well, albeit an MSI Armor RX 480 4GB@FricoRico's suggestion might actually work. I believe this is a single 8-pin card, however the VRAM is different.

I can confirm that flashing my XFX RX480 XXX OC Edition with AMD's reference RX480 bios works perfectly. I have acceleration under MacOS and Windows 10 using the Akitio Thunder 2. Do make sure you use a bios with the same VRAM manufacturer, for me it was Samsung.

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Posted by: FricoRico
 
I can confirm that flashing my XFX RX480 XXX OC Edition with AMD's reference RX480 bios works perfectly. I have acceleration under MacOS and Windows 10 using the Akitio Thunder 2. Do make sure you use a bios with the same VRAM manufacturer, for me it was Samsung.

That's good news, but unfortunately, on the d750M models, even the official Dev Kit doesn't work as of Beta 3. So I doubt its worth flashing my GPU at the moment. This suggestion will most definitely help others who have different variants of the GPUs on mac models confirmed to work with the Dev Kit.

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The drivers for Vega cards are in 10.13 Public Beta. eGPU support is not certain but my bet is it will be supported when Apple releases the iMac Pro at the end of the year. 😀

Does this mean it's not supported yet in High Sierra?

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The drivers for Vega cards are in 10.13 Public Beta. eGPU support is not certain but my bet is it will be supported when Apple releases the iMac Pro at the end of the year. 😀

Does this mean it's not supported yet in High Sierra?

I don't have a definitive answer for that. I would need a Vega card to test and confirm whether it works as external graphics card. I read reports on other forums that Vega FE works in the latest 10.13 beta.

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Posted by: itsage
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The drivers for Vega cards are in 10.13 Public Beta. eGPU support is not certain but my bet is it will be supported when Apple releases the iMac Pro at the end of the year. 😀

Does this mean it's not supported yet in High Sierra?

I don't have a definitive answer for that. I would need a Vega card to test and confirm whether it works as external graphics card. I read reports on other forums that Vega FE works in the latest 10.13 beta.

That's very good news. Was nervous that it would only be supported when it officially comes out. Looks like I'll be ordering an RX Vega as soon as it's announced :D.

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Tested under Beta 3 using XFX RX 570 on 2012 Macbook Air (TB1) with Akitio Thunder2.

Detected fine, but logging out causes screens to glitch and the system freezes up. Guessing it has to do with the card's bios, anyone know of a RX 570 bios that works?

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Tested: macOS HS Beta 1 on 2016 MBP 15" RP460 with Akitio Node & XFX RX 480.

100% plug and play. Log out on macOS and it works and even Windows works with AMD Xconnect 100% out of box.

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@TPNxl Did you encounter error 12 in Windows?

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Sonnet supports these Thunderbolt 1 and Thunderbolt 2 Macs with High Sierra with their Breakaway Box.

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Does anyone know whether Nvidia Pascal GPU's will be supported natively in High Sierra?

I have a 2015 13" rMBP, an Akitio Thunder 2 paired with a 1050ti. I haven't used the eGPU much in macOS, however I use it heaps in Windows, and one of the things that I was unsure about was the automate mode (-a) in Goalque's script. My understanding was that the automate mode had something to do with checking a Nvidia cache on startup to avoid the blank screen (or the infinite loading screen) issues. So my understanding was that Goalque's script allowed me to boot into Windows without error, but I'm not very sure about that (because I still had the blank screen issues). I know the 2015 13" rMBP has many issues with eGPU's but I'm hoping High Sierra will at least let me boot into Windows with the eGPU (let alone boot into macOS).

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Posted by: vertice

Anyone have any luck playing Blizzard games or Steam games in High Sierra using external GPUs?

I play some Steam games without issues

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So an interesting issue with a Steam game, Elite: Dangerous.

It didn't work at all until HS seed 4. Now it starts, but it doesn't recognize the eGPU's graphics card. See below - the only choice is the dGPU on my MBP, the Radeon Pro 455. (I'm using the Apple Dev Kit and "About this Mac" shows the RX580 is active.) And it won't recognize the screen dimensions of my external display.

I'm finding most Steam games work fine, but I actually have no way of identifying whether they are using the eGPU. It's only possible here because the game shows in the options which GPU is being used. Any ideas how to find out what GPU a game is using?

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I've not been able to get any steam games working at all, going to try beta 4 to see if it works now.

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reptilianbrain
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So Nvidia it seems won't be supporting High Sierra with Web Drivers at all ...

 

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/324195-nvidia-web-driver-updates-for-macos-high-sierra-update-06052017/page-9

 

 

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Pride aside, it would be very foolish for Nvidia not to continue developing web drivers for macOS.

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Yes, and it was apparently foolish for me to buy a GTX 1060 a few weeks ago.  I didn't want the RX 580 because while on par with the 1060 in terms of performance, it draws a lot more power to do it so I went with the better designed of the two.

But..  I will stuck on Sierra for a while it seems.

 

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Pride aside, it would be very foolish for Nvidia not to continue developing web drivers for macOS.

I repeat:

https://egpu.io/forums/mac-setup/apple-is-supporting-external-gpus-with-high-sierra/paged/5/#post-12596

Nvidia can’t do this alone.

The fact is that Apple won’t allow eGPU acceleration on any other cards except those that are officially supported on High Sierra. IOPCITunnelCompatible hacks won’t work anymore, not even with older Kepler cards that have native drivers - all drivers do load fine but they do nothing. If no green light from Apple, it’s a dead end for Nvidia.

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itsage
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@goalque I agree with your assessment. I made a general statement in the sense that Nvidia should provide web drivers for existing customers who bought GTX cards to use with Mac OS, regardless of external graphics.

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goalque
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True, developing for Mac Pro users is definitely easier but it's a resource, and how profitable… They said "Open to Mac Community". Did they mean us or classic Mac Pro users?

Of course, we all would love to see both the green and red teams in the same sandbox.

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It is unfortunate that they publicly announce eGPU support only to limit it to one generation of one company's cards.  I will end up only using my setup in win10 once I finally move to high sierra.  Disappointing.

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Apple has said eGPU support will only be available to customers starting in Spring of 2018 and the devs are limited to what's available in Apple's Dev Kit. That clearly means they don't have everything ready until next year. 

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It is unfortunate that they publicly announce eGPU support only to limit it to one generation of one company's cards.  I will end up only using my setup in win10 once I finally move to high sierra.  Disappointing.

It is not one card, but it is a work in progress. Probably RX Vega will work out of the box, with more than 1080 performance and fast macOS drivers like 580 ones.

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Posted by: ikir
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It is unfortunate that they publicly announce eGPU support only to limit it to one generation of one company's cards.  I will end up only using my setup in win10 once I finally move to high sierra.  Disappointing.

It is not one card, but it is a work in progress. Probably RX Vega will work out of the box, with more than 1080 performance and fast macOS drivers like 580 ones.

Unfortunately, the Vega Frontier Edition card does not work with the Apple Developer Kit (Sonnet Breakaway Box). Hopefully, High Sierra Beta releases will support it in the future. I don't know if the RX Vega 64 will be supported. There is some level of driver support for many Vega device IDs though I'm not current on that information. The upcoming iMac Pro looks like it will have a variant of the Radeon Pro WX series Vega 64.

I have a 2012 Mac Pro, but it has no external power supply or modifications so I do not feel comfortable trying the card there.

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Posted by: sixsixone
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It is unfortunate that they publicly announce eGPU support only to limit it to one generation of one company's cards.  I will end up only using my setup in win10 once I finally move to high sierra.  Disappointing.

It is not one card, but it is a work in progress. Probably RX Vega will work out of the box, with more than 1080 performance and fast macOS drivers like 580 ones.

Unfortunately, the Vega Frontier Edition card does not work with the Apple Developer Kit (Sonnet Breakaway Box). Hopefully, High Sierra Beta releases will support it in an eGPU configuration in the future.

Vega Frontier Edition is not fully optimized for XConnect yet; besides, the 350W PSU in that Dev kit box is completely insufficient for Vega.

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It is unfortunate that they publicly announce eGPU support only to limit it to one generation of one company's cards.  I will end up only using my setup in win10 once I finally move to high sierra.  Disappointing.

It is not one card, but it is a work in progress. Probably RX Vega will work out of the box, with more than 1080 performance and fast macOS drivers like 580 ones.

Unfortunately, the Vega Frontier Edition card does not work with the Apple Developer Kit (Sonnet Breakaway Box). Hopefully, High Sierra Beta releases will support it in an eGPU configuration in the future.

Vega Frontier Edition is not fully optimized for XConnect yet; besides, the 350W PSU in that Dev kit box is completely insufficient for Vega.

If you're speaking about Windows 10, the Vega Frontier Edition works just fine with XConnect on a 2017 27" iMac and 2016 Macbook Pro 13 Touch with the box. I replaced the included 350w psu with a 600w by SilverStone. I'm not sure what you mean by "fully optimized for XConnect", but yes the current Vega Frontier Edition drivers are not fully optimized at the architecture level over the Fury series. Reportedly, there is a new Vega Frontier Edition driver which improves compute performance for at least mining. AMD states on their site that when RX Vega consumer cards are released soon the new Frontier Edition drivers will support all the major changes in the new RX 5xx series drivers.

I think I also read from AMD that the Frontier Edition will be merged into the Radeon Pro WX Series drivers. But this is going off topic quite a bit now and into wait and see territory.

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sixsixone - I am glad you upgraded the power supply. I am not sure about the rumors, but I do know that Vega drivers are only going to improve 🙂

I do suggest you to plug laptop's power supply at the same time as Sonnet box (so the laptop does not drain the power from eGPU).

P.S. which Vega did you get - air-cooled or liquid cooled?

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Sky11, Thanks. Yes, I'm not so sure about the rumors either and agree with you 🙂

Actually, the 60W charging works just fine and is sufficent for the MacBook. The PSU will just give a lot more headroom for these very high TDP Vega cards.

I have the air cooled model.

I was thinking about posting some benchmarks/setup guide here when I first got the card as I did with the Apple External Graphics Development Kit, but figured the only different step for eGPU setup on the 27" iMac (Radeon Pro 580) is to use Frontier Edition Driver's inf. The included Bootcamp driver's Radeon CCC version changes to Radeon Pro mode with no Gaming Mode option. Other than that the card works great, albeit unoptimized drivers 🙂

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Just upgraded my High Sierra to beta 6 with Akitio Node it works fine but my system has a strange behavior.. when I plugin the Node, the system asks me to logout, I logout and the screen goes black for 5 minutes, meanwhile the fans of my XFX RX480 start to spin very fast.. when the external monitor wake up I need to reboot in order to stop the fans

 

Maybe because my MacOS High Sierra is not a fresh installation...

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