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tsakal
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@manzanita, that is why we should start looking at windows again. Apple just wants to be the the preferred choice of the mass market, who don’t really care about the power of the machine but the design and practicability. Unfortunately, apple could do both but decided not to. Windows is not that bad anymore just need to learn to live with it.

can you imagine if Microsoft tried to do something similar? Having such control over a platform where there is no competition? The regulators would slaughter them.

The amount of delibarate planned obsolescence baked into apple products is unreal given the amount of money they cost, especially the pro products

i foresee that in the future apple may be forced to allow others to build hardware which can use macOS ans or iOS 

 

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B) 2.7 GHz I7 4 Cores, 16Gb, 1TB MBP 13 2018 TB3 , EGPU Razer Core X, Nitro+ RX5700 xt 8Gb, LG 32UK550
Mac OS Catalina 10.15.2, Ext SSD Windows 10 1903 V1 .295

C) 2.7 GHz I7 4 Cores, 16Gb, 1TB MBP 13 2018 TB3 , EGPU Gigabyte Gaming Box RX580 8Gb, Mac OS Catalina 10.15.2, Ext SSD Windows 10 1803

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manzanita
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I really really hope you’re right. The put Intel to the ground. Both. Intel and AMD. It’s like David and Goliath. No one I believe expected these results in a lower end chip. I honestly don’t know. The thing all you need to understand is that for us, which are living in Argentina and another countries, having a Mac or an iPhone is an element of luxury. Not a tool. Thus, if you Make a living with tech, it’s not easy change your laptop and probé every year. Here we think a lot before buying. It’s really an investment

Sorry dude. I’m not biased but I really does/did not enjoy the Windows experiencie.

I believe in numbers. 8% of the global population uses macOS.

The other rest of the planet uses Windows and Android.

I don’t see the scenario you pose as plausible.

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Posted by: @tsakal

@manzanita, that is why we should start looking at windows again. Apple just wants to be the the preferred choice of the mass market, who don’t really care about the power of the machine but the design and practicability. Unfortunately, apple could do both but decided not to. Windows is not that bad anymore just need to learn to live with it.

can you imagine if Microsoft tried to do something similar? Having such control over a platform where there is no competition? The regulators would slaughter them.

The amount of delibarate planned obsolescence baked into apple products is unreal given the amount of money they cost, especially the pro products

i foresee that in the future apple may be forced to allow others to build hardware which can use macOS ans or iOS 

 

Windows is not that bad? I work with Windows everyday: total madness, incoherence, instability, preinstalled apps like Spotify and game loft games in Pro and Enterprise licenses...

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jefniro
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Apple can achieve those results because they made the Hardware and they made the OS. Windows has very different approach, Windows must works on every HW made by others and, moreover, Intel is not under Microsoft corporation. Same story for Android OS. 

 

Apple knows exactly what they need in order to gain power from MacOS (or iOS) because they can (now) develop the best HW for his products. 

 

Is like Playstation 4. The HW is 7-8 years old but the games (developed by Sony's Software houses) are very beautiful today. They know exactly the HW and they can develop the best SW on it. The SW is very very optimized for the HW that they are using.

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John Keates
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@jefniro, That is of course partially true. But we have also seen Microsoft control the entire stack and still make a mess. Windows RT and Surface comes to mind, but also some of the PocketPC and Windows CE stacks with hardware, firmware, OS HAL, OS.

Generally, Microsoft aims at a group of (somewhat incoherent) APIs, like win32, com, the C# Classic ecosystem etc. and then build not-very-connected features on top of that. They are more about breadth than about depth, which is good for quantity but not always for quality. You end up with a little bit of a lot.

Sometimes they do make it to a reasonably deep vertical integration, i.e. the Zune, but they forget about what people want. What you end up with is something that is refreshingly 'complete' but doesn't really connect well with reality. The same goes for their scale of business; a lot of it isn't about what people want, and a lot of it is broadly used not because people really want it, but because it happens to be there because some sales person and account manager wanted to hit their target and the client doesn't really have the resources to do their own research. 

All of this isn't much different with say, Oracle, except the lawyer-to-engineer ratio is different.

 

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jefniro
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@oneplane, don't forget that Apple has many years of experience thanks to iPhone and iPad. They invested a lot of money on them and now the power of those systems are ready for Notebook and Ultrabook market. This has been a great strategy.

 

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tsakal
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@jefniro, 100% agree. My feeling is they they new where this was going since they realized how good metal was. The point now is how much greedy they want to be and how much control they want to have over the ecosystem. Our only hope is that the services business is what drives them so they will leave some windows open...,

 

A) 2020 MacBook Pro, i7-1068NG7, 32GB RAM, 1TB, EGPU Razer Core X, Nitro+ RX5700 xt 8Gb, Samsung 49 1440p UltraWide C49RG
Mac OS Catalina 10.15.7, Internal Bootcamp Windows 10 2004 pci.sys swap.
B) 2.7 GHz I7 4 Cores, 16Gb, 1TB MBP 13 2018 TB3 , EGPU Razer Core X, Nitro+ RX5700 xt 8Gb, LG 32UK550
Mac OS Catalina 10.15.2, Ext SSD Windows 10 1903 V1 .295

C) 2.7 GHz I7 4 Cores, 16Gb, 1TB MBP 13 2018 TB3 , EGPU Gigabyte Gaming Box RX580 8Gb, Mac OS Catalina 10.15.2, Ext SSD Windows 10 1803

D) 3.1 GHz I7, 16Gb, 1TB MBP 13 2015 TB2 , EGPU Gigabyte Gaming Box RX580 8Gb


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jefniro
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Posted by: @tsakal

@jefniro, 100% agree. My feeling is they they new where this was going since they realized how good metal was. The point now is how much greedy they want to be and how much control they want to have over the ecosystem. Our only hope is that the services business is what drives them so they will leave some windows open...,

 

I have a bad feeling about that... I hope I'm wrong.

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craftsman
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BTW I'm using the Photoshop BETA and it is very fast on the M1. Tools like Select Subject are faster and more accurate than I have seen on my 5Ghz PC that has an RTX 2080 Super. The app is about 80% complete and is going to rock when it comes. If Adobe can do the same great thing with Premiere and After Effects people are going to go wild.

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bnjmn
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Posted by: @craftsman

BTW I'm using the Photoshop BETA and it is very fast on the M1. Tools like Select Subject are faster and more accurate than I have seen on my 5Ghz PC that has an RTX 2080 Super. The app is about 80% complete and is going to rock when it comes. If Adobe can do the same great thing with Premiere and After Effects people are going to go wild.

@craftsman 

Your 5700xt MacBook Pro /eGPU setup is very similar to mine and as I was watching the M1 reviews, I saw these two videos: 

- DaVinci Resolve + M1: Can it edit 8K RAW?

- 8GB vs 16GB M1 MacBook Pro - How much RAM do you NEED?!

I decided to order the M1 and potentially sell my 16" MBP + 5700XT once I tested it, but it using the exact same settings as the user in the first video (1080 timeline and in the comments he talks about his results from a 4K timeline) using the exact same clips you can download the from Red.com and my performance was the same/slightly worse. 

Does this sound right? Have you used Davinci Resolve or FCP by chance? How has your performance compared? I'm a RED owner and shooter and so its by far the footage I use the most and it seems the CPU reliance on the decoding in the timeline is just as good/better than my 6-core i7 and whatever GPU/instruction set optimization seems to push it over the top even compared to running the 5700XT

Thanks for your opinion in advance! 

 

 

To do: Create my signature with system and expected eGPU configuration information to give context to my posts. I have no builds.

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