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Do you think Apple will support eGPUs on Apple Silicon Macs in the future? Poll is created on Mar 06, 2021

  
  
Poll results: Do you think Apple will support eGPUs on Apple Silicon Macs in the future?
Voter(s): 14
Poll is created on Mar 06, 2021
Yes!  -  votes: 7 / 50%
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Hell No!  -  votes: 7 / 50%
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Are eGPUs dead in the foreseeable future?  

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Mini i5
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@susurs

A few big ones. Big Sur eGPU support is great.

Catalina sometimes wouldn’t boot at all with an eGPU attached and powered on. Catalina had issues booting into MacOS and Windows with other TB3 devices connected at the same time (temporarily unplugging the other TB3 device was often necessary). Catalina had the horrible wake-from-sleep bug which crashed eGPU-connected Macs.

Those are problems which I learned to live with (out of necessity) on Catalina.

Apple fixed all of those eGPU support issues in Big Sur.

Plus, I find Big Sur’s graphics performance to be smooth and responsive. More so than Catalina.

And very stable. No lock-ups, or crashes in my daily workflow of running graphics heavy software on my eGPU. 

 

 

2018 Mac Mini + AMD RP W5500 (Sonnet Breakaway Box 650) Big Sur 11.6 + Windows 21H1

 
2018 Mac Mini [8th,6C,B] + RP W5500 @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Sonnet Breakaway 650) + macOS 11.6 & Win10 [build link]  


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Susurs
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@mini-i5, Thank you! : )

 

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Eightarmedpet
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I voted “no” in that poll due to the lack of “I have no real idea but I sure as Shit hope they do and if not then maybe someone on here can make them work”. 

2017 13" MacBook Pro Touch Bar
GTX1060 + AKiTiO Thunder3 + Win10
GTX1070 + Sonnet Breakaway Box + Win10
GTX1070 + Razer Core V1 + Win10
Vega 56 + Razer Core V1 + macOS + Win10
Vega 56 + Mantiz Venus + macOS + W10

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alphatozeta
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I don't think Apple is going to be putting eGPUs at the forefront of their internal development cycle. Maybe they might work great as a side effect of the work Apple does for NVMe storage and TB4 display tech, but the M1 Macs are meant to be used for development, everyday use, and content creation. Sure, eGPUs help a lot with content creation, but Apple is working very hard to get their on-chip accelerators to be good enough that anything more is better done through a render farm instead.

2018 14" Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga Gen 4 [8th,4C,U] + RTX 2080 Super @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Sonnet Breakaway 550) + Linux Ubuntu 20.04 LTS // eGPU as primary renderer [build link]  

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motoic
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Posted by: @alphatozeta

I don't think Apple is going to be putting eGPUs at the forefront of their internal development cycle. Maybe they might work great as a side effect of the work Apple does for NVMe storage and TB4 display tech, but the M1 Macs are meant to be used for development, everyday use, and content creation. Sure, eGPUs help a lot with content creation, but Apple is working very hard to get their on-chip accelerators to be good enough that anything more is better done through a render farm instead.

Apple is trying hard to enter the gaming market and you can't game on a render farm

2020 16" MBP w/ dGPU
Nvidia GTX 1070
Akitio Node
32" LG 32UD99-W at 4k
macOS Big Sur, Bootcamp Windows 10

 
2015 15" MacBook Pro (R9 M370X) [4th,4C,H] + GTX 1070 @ 16Gbps-TB2>TB3 (AKiTiO Node) + Win10 // PERST# delay use may apply to other MacBooks [build link]  


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alphatozeta
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@motoic I highly doubt Apple is trying to get into the gaming market. If anything they might try to bring Apple Arcade and it's games to Mac through the unified device architechture of the M1, but I don't think they're going to try buy studios or get AAA games on Mac. The new Metal API seems to be targeted towards HPC and IOS-style game textures, and they may end up writing a parsers/compiler to go from Metal to NVIDIA/AMD machine code/intermediate but that will be more so that Mac developers can use similar syntax on non-Mac OS devices

2018 14" Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga Gen 4 [8th,4C,U] + RTX 2080 Super @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Sonnet Breakaway 550) + Linux Ubuntu 20.04 LTS // eGPU as primary renderer [build link]  

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 ikir
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Already with M1 ePGU are less appealing I suppose with M1X will be much more faster and only highest eGPU could offer an advantage. Maybe with Thunderbolt 5 double bandwidth.

My main computer is now a MacBook Pro M1, completely silent with a HyperDrive USB-C dock, I have everything, I work faster than before, super GPU performance are ok but not for triple AAA gaming which sadly I don't have time play anyway, it is ok for casual gaming with is everything I can do now. We will see M1X performance then... For sure Apple/AMD don't have high priority for Radeon ARM drivers, but they could surprise us.


MacBook Pro 13" 2020 Touch Bar M1 8-core CPU 8-core GPU - 16GB unified memory - 512GB PCIe SSD
MacBook Pro 13" 2020 Touch Bar i7 quad-core 2.3Ghz - 16GB RAM - 1TB PCIe SSD

my awesome Radeon VII eGPU
my Mantiz Venus extreme mod with Sapphire Nitro+ RX Vega 64

 
2018 13" MacBook Pro [8th,4C,U] + Radeon VII @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Mantiz Venus) + macOS 10.15 [build link]  


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Eightarmedpet
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@ikir, I think you've hit the nail on the head there, the M series GPUs are going to be great for casual gaming which is what the majority of what people do. You only really need above 60fps if you are playing competitive shooters.

 

2017 13" MacBook Pro Touch Bar
GTX1060 + AKiTiO Thunder3 + Win10
GTX1070 + Sonnet Breakaway Box + Win10
GTX1070 + Razer Core V1 + Win10
Vega 56 + Razer Core V1 + macOS + Win10
Vega 56 + Mantiz Venus + macOS + W10

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LG 5K Ultrafine flickering issue fix

 
2018 Mac Mini [8th,6C,B] + RX 580 @ 32Gbps-TB3 (AKiTiO Node Lite) + Win10 20H2 [build link]  


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Bob Warren
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@eightarmedpet, you say that until you run Mankind Divided on the M1 and it's kills the performance of my 16.  Sorry this is simply not true.

 

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Eightarmedpet
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@bob_warren, according to this it gets 24fps on high at 1080 on M1.

has the Windows version running at around 55fps with the desktop RX5500 (similar to your GPU).

I imagine the Mac version performs worse so you prob end up with closer to 40 fps, but that's just a guess.

What part of my post are you claiming isn't true?

 

2017 13" MacBook Pro Touch Bar
GTX1060 + AKiTiO Thunder3 + Win10
GTX1070 + Sonnet Breakaway Box + Win10
GTX1070 + Razer Core V1 + Win10
Vega 56 + Razer Core V1 + macOS + Win10
Vega 56 + Mantiz Venus + macOS + W10

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LG 5K Ultrafine flickering issue fix

 
2018 Mac Mini [8th,6C,B] + RX 580 @ 32Gbps-TB3 (AKiTiO Node Lite) + Win10 20H2 [build link]  


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