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Kai the Film Geek
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As you can see from my profile I’m using Dual RX470s on my 2018 Mac Mini. This I use purely for creative work...editing...motion graphics...fx...graphic design etc. I’ve just upgraded the RAM to 64gb...maxing it out and its lovely to have some occasional headroom...I do tend to push what every software I’m using to it’s limits. Next...and last...on my upgrade list is the eGPUs...which are now the bottleneck...mostly in DaVinci Resolve. I have the budget to cover both the Radeon 5700XT and the VII and associated eGPU box upgrades too. I looked at comparisons on Barefeats... https://barefeats.com/cmp-5700-xt-vs-other-gpus.html and it seems...although it’s not a direct comparison...Mac Pro vs Mac Mini that I have...that the 5700XT more than holds it’s own. My only issue would be going forward in the short to middle term. So looking for anyone’s wise thoughts as I ponder the way to go... 😉 

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A dual 5700 xt setup is good for DaVinci Resolve and for Maya or Blender paired with Pro Render.

The Radeon VII’s 16gb of high bandwidth memory will help when working with 4K video. 👨‍💻

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Kai the Film Geek
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@mini-i5

Thanks...it is mostly 4K editing I do at the moment. 

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Fellow members WE NEED HELP !

I am still confused and have not seen clear evidence of one or the other. 

Going forward on MAC with Metal is the GCN or the RDNA architectures better ? 

The New Mac Pros GPU are they  GCN or RDNA based and why. Is it better or in order to have another upgrade cycle in a year or so? 

Obviously for gaming the 5x00 cards are very good value for money but for pro apps can you get better performance from radeon vii

Please any member who has used both cards chime in it will help all of us. 

Is very confusing to have the Radeon VII and the New 5x00 xt cards introduced so close to each other with very different architectures. 

Judging by the 5600xt release is clear that AMD has no plan what so ever just reacts ....

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I’ve had 3 Navi cards, two of which have been faulty. Tbh I wouldn’t touch Navi again for a good 6 months. 

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Kai the Film Geek
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@eightarmedpet

Thanks...what would you consider to be a guid interim upgrade then? 

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@tsakal

It really depends on the software not the hardware.

Programs like DaVinci Resolve and Blender have been updated for Navi cards. That’s why Navi is very good at compute tasks in these programs.

Navi is a good platform for compute, and good for fast 3D viewport and modeling performance in Maya and AutoCAD in my everyday experience.

Its good at every task - when you’re running updated software. That is the important distinction. 

Other software makers don’t seem to have updated their programs for Navi cards and I haven’t seen a clear schedule as to when they will. 

Until then, the open bar will continue to ask us to sit back and enjoy our cocktail of confusion. 🍸 🤷‍♂️

 

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@eightarmedpet

I have got a 5700xt from saphire and it works fine so far both in macOS and w10. 

@mini-i5

Thanks for the insight.

So radeon vii is not navi then? They are not just checked. 

Is the new Mac Pro gpus navi based? 

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@tsakal

The W5700x 16GB GPU card is the Navi based option. 

Then there’s the Vega II 32 GB GPU option for 8K and 4K video.

And the Pro RX 580 option for Music and Audio production. 

They are covering every base.

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@mini-i5

Thank you that's very useful.

The way I see it is that navi is the way to go. It ll just take some time for the drivers to mature. 

Do we have any clues of what of the cards you mentioned above corresponds to the 5000xt series cards. 

Pro RX 580 option Lets skip this one 

W5700x 16GB GPU this sounds like 5700xt with 16gb ram

Vega II 32 GB GPU option  ???? 

 

Are the Vega II the 5700xt with even more ram or an unannounced 5900 or 6000? 

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tsakal
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@mini-i5

Very interesting video with some benchmarks 

4k ultra at 60fps for horizon 4 sounds good to me . 

Is this the big navi people are waiting for, maybe its already here. 

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Kai the Film Geek
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There's no WX7100 with 16 GB option....only the WX9100.

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@kai-the-film-geek I believe @mini-i5 mistyped. He meant the Radeon Pro W5700x Apple is working on for the 2019 Mac Pro. Until that card becomes available to the public, the drivers will need more work. As @eightarmedpet mentioned, we’ve seen many hardware failure reports on the Navi cards (RX 5700/XT). If I was in your shoes, I’d go with the Radeon VII. I actually have two Radeon VII cards myself from various sales during Black Friday. Once the 2019 Mac Pro becomes more affordable I may purchase one. For now one is paired with the NetStor HL23T-Plus.

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@itsage

Ah...got ye....it looks like the Radeon VII then...if I can get any over here...Scotland 😀 

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@kai-the-film-geek

I’ll trade you a Radeon VII for a life time supply of Edinburgh chip shop sauce. 
spoke to overclockers today and they said over 60% of GPUs that are sent back are 5700xt’s, the hardware is fine it’s just the drivers are a shit show. I’m 1 for 3. 

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@eightarmedpet

I'm a Glaswegian so it has to be salt n' vinegar...lol.... 😛  

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@tsakal

The W700x 16 GB has (40) Navi compute units, same as the RX 5700 Xt. The two cards should have pretty similar performance.

 

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Just ordered two Radeon VIIs...£512 each....Razer Core ordered as well... 😉 thanks for everyone's input....

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And they’ll go in here 😉

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Well...they are here...recognised instantly...fan noise not excessive...no sleep fan noise issue either...will report back with some real world editing tests...

Screenshot 2020 02 05 at 13.32.56

And system profiler...

Screenshot 2020 02 05 at 13.44.41

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@kai-the-film-geek Nice! The performance of that Mac mini is not so mini anymore. We’re looking forward to seeing your experience on real world editing tests.

 

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Well...I cannae afford a Mac Pro...like 90% of the world's population lol.... 🙂 

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Posted by: @tsakal

@mini-i5

Very interesting video with some benchmarks 

4k ultra at 60fps for horizon 4 sounds good to me . 

Is this the big navi people are waiting for, maybe its already here. 

Hmm, that's really interesting. Makes me want to upgrade my graphics card when I have the funds. 

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Posted by: @kai-the-film-geek

Well...they are here...recognised instantly...fan noise not excessive...no sleep fan noise issue either...will report back with some real world editing tests...

Screenshot 2020 02 05 at 13.32.56

And system profiler...

Screenshot 2020 02 05 at 13.44.41

Which Radeon VII did you get?

 

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XFX AMD Radeon VII 16GB HBM2, 1750 MHz Boost, 1801 MHz Peak, 3xDP 1xHDMI Pci-E 3.0 

 

there you go...lol...

 

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