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solocamper
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August 5, 2018 3:33 pm  

Actually on the verge cast podcast one of the reporters asked Apple at the 2018 MacBook Pro event "why not Nvidia in the new 2018 MacBook pros”.  The Apple engineer said, because works really well with us for Metal.  And later this fall Nvidia can make their own drivers if they would like.   This is the case. I guess they will at least allow Nvidia.


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August 5, 2018 4:20 pm  

@solocamper Thank you for sharing that titbit. I’m guessing NVIDIA could theoretically implement eGPU support as well (not just drivers), unless they require an API or something (not likely in my opinion). Even today’s webdrivers work with a few patches and I guess it they really wanted to, they could do it with relative ease. In fact, web drivers have reference to “is_removable” in their kexts so they might be up to something I suppose.ya 

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August 6, 2018 5:18 pm  

New dev beta is out

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detunedradios
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August 6, 2018 7:46 pm  
Posted by: mac_editor

@solocamper Thank you for sharing that titbit. I’m guessing NVIDIA could theoretically implement eGPU support as well (not just drivers), unless they require an API or something (not likely in my opinion). Even today’s webdrivers work with a few patches and I guess it they really wanted to, they could do it with relative ease. In fact, web drivers have reference to “is_removable” in their kexts so they might be up to something I suppose.ya 

Let's hope. Official Nvidia eGPU support would be huge.

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Chippy McChipset
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August 6, 2018 8:32 pm  
Posted by: solocamper

Actually on the verge cast podcast one of the reporters asked Apple at the 2018 MacBook Pro event "why not Nvidia in the new 2018 MacBook pros”.  The Apple engineer said, because works really well with us for Metal.  And later this fall Nvidia can make their own drivers if they would like.   This is the case. I guess they will at least allow Nvidia.

You probably misheard part of that.

I went back and listened because I found it curious after all this time of Apple not commenting on NVIDIA, that they would suddenly comment at a MBP event (even after being silent at the more eGPU-relevant event - WWDC). According to the Verge guy, Apple did say they use AMD because their hardware is tightly integrated with Metal... but Apple didn't say anything about NVIDIA directly (and what they would or wouldn't do). AFAICT. 

All signs are Apple will continue to use AMD exclusively, and probably mostly for political reasons / reasons of past bad blood with NVIDIA. I hope I'm wrong but I think the only NVIDIA solution we get, will come from this forum. That's not to say a solution from here is bad only that an official one from Apple would be better.


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August 6, 2018 8:42 pm  

Apple is operating with the mindset that it's their way or no way. Nvidia has bigger fish to fry so they'd rather not putting up with Apple's terms.

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Chippy McChipset
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August 6, 2018 9:07 pm  
Posted by: theitsage

Apple is operating with the mindset that it's their way or no way. Nvidia has bigger fish to fry so they'd rather not putting up with Apple's terms.

Their real dislike for each other came when both in the Kronos working group. Suffice it to say NVIDIA found ways to marginalize / torpedo OpenCL and Apple hasn't forgotten same. Not that the marginalization was all NVIDIA's doing.

In other news something about the 560 series dGPU in the 2018 MBP is slightly different than the earlier models and/or something about Mojave is slightly different. In some cases standard benchmarks like cinebench score 10FPS higher. Recently got a score of 95FPS. So Apple does appear to be doing some type of optimization on their own stuff, if nothing else. Higher end cards in the eGPU don't actually see the same boost vs. 10.13.x Not yet. Maybe by the time they release it.


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August 7, 2018 1:03 am  

I've heard quite a few people claiming notably better GPU performance in recent Mojave betas. Guess they've been putting in work on their graphics drivers.

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