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mac_editor
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@itsage to add to your points above, there are far too many issues with High Sierra besides just eGPU support and Metal that really need fixes. At least the Metal API works. Apple messed up in 2017 - this year should be focused only on optimization (and High Sierra was supposed to one). This is one of the worst releases of macOS I have ever experienced (in general, not eGPU related). Sierra is significantly better in day to day use. I can go on and on about non-eGPU issues in High Sierra. And I’ve barely used it for work. Wish we see something as solid as Sierra this year, or better yet something on par with Mountain Lion and Snow Leopard - fantastic macOS builds in my opinion.

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macOS 10.13.4 is eGPU dynamite - it breaks 82% of our documented macOS builds

Some interesting eGPU.io build statistics. There are:

eGPU Setup 1.35    •    eGPU Port Bandwidth Reference Table

 
2015 15" Dell Precision 7510 (Q M1000M) [6th,4C,H] + GTX 1080 Ti @32Gbps-M2 (ADT-Link R43SG) + Win10 1803 [build link]  


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itsage
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@nando4 Thank you for compiling those statistics. 4 out of 5 existing Mac eGPU setups no longer work thanks to 10.13.4.

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2020 13" MacBook Pro [10th,4C,G] + RTX 2080 Ti @ 32Gbps-TB3 (AORUS Gaming Box) + Win10 2004 [build link]  


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The future is a bit pale for many of us. At least Apple do have understood that eGPUs do have a place, which is very good.
I will probably bring my rMBP up to 10.13.4 but keep my 2012 mac mini on 13.3 for the mini egpu 1070 for as long as it lasts.

My plan for the long run is to get the 580-box and a possible TB3 mac mini if Apple don't kill that line off.
I really hate having to buy me TB3 MBP only to slap it onto a desk for 99% of its life.

Present: 2012 Mac mini + PowerColor RX 56 Vega Nano @10Gbps-TB1 + PowerColor Mini eGFX 180F via Apple TB3 to TB2 + macOS Catalina 10.15.4

Previous: 2012 Mac Mini + GTX1070 @ 10Gbps-TB1 (AKiTiO Thunder3 via Apple TB3 to TB2 adapter) + macOS

 
2012 Mac Mini [3rd,4C,Q] + GTX 970 @ 10Gbps-TB1>TB3 (AKiTiO Node) + macOS 10.12.4 [build link]  


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Halbertus
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I am done with Apple Desktops
With Apple killing off TB2 Macs for eGPU support my annoyance with their product strategy has grown so much I just can not stand it anymore. I invested a huge amount of my hard earned money in their ecosystem (Mac Pro 6,1 2013, rMBP Mid 2015) only to find out that the system’s architecture is limited by design. Graphics performance is the biggest limitation with both of my computers. While Apple have always been slamming kind of outdated processors in their computers, I was promised expandability when they released the unconventional “thrashcan” Mac Pro with Thunderbolt 2. Also the GPU in my MacBook was two years old architecture, when released in form of the MacBook Pro in Mid 2015.
Following recent development in eGPU support had me hoping for a possible upgrade path. That has come to an end now unfortunately.

Not buying a TB3 Mac
Not only do I complain for the money I feel wasted, but also I really don’t want to switch to the redesigned MacBook Pros. Touch Bar, Port Selection and Keyboard are a no-go from my perspective.

The updated iMac (Pro) will suffer from the same design flaws as we have seen in form of the nMP, totally locked up systems, while they offer TB3 and eGPU expandability it is not currently possible to drive the internal 5k Displayby eGPU without a huge.oss of performance. Target Display mode also not available means those nice screens will be thrash once the computer parts embedded will be outdated.

To sum it up, there is simply no TB3 Mac that I would consider buying.

Maybe there are use-cases different from my way of computing for which the above systems make sense. My only hope for the future of the Mac Desktop is with the promised modular Mac Pro or a redesigned  Mac mini, questionable if they can come up with a more responsible design approach. Isn’t there a possibility that the modular concept of those will be based on Thunderbolt 3?

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Posted by: Halbertus

I am done with Apple Desktops

Unfortunately, Apple does have a history of planned obsolescence so I'm not surprised by their actions with regard to this. Shame, really

To do: Create my signature with system and expected eGPU configuration information to give context to my posts. I have no builds.

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Posted by: nombrescreeno
Posted by: Halbertus

I am done with Apple Desktops

Unfortunately, Apple does have a history of planned obsolescence so I'm not surprised by their actions with regard to this. Shame, really

This is not true, Macs are the longer supported platform in industry.

@Halbertus
I agree with some of this issue are Apple fault, but as an owner of  a MacBook Pro 13” 2017 I love touch bar and I love the new keyboard. I owned so many computers in my life and this one is the best yet.


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nombrescreeno
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Maybe I should rephrase, but they certainly had no issues with gimping iPhones after a year with the whole battery scandal, and they killed FireWire without a well-supported replacement at first as well

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mac_editor
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Posted by: nombrescreeno

Maybe I should rephrase, but they certainly had no issues with gimping iPhones after a year with the whole battery scandal, and they killed FireWire without a well-supported replacement at first as well

This is true, and I was quite annoyed with my phone slowing down. But looking into the problem specifics - the battery explanation makes sense. I have experienced crashes in colder weather as such (I even reported this while on iOS 10) and their fix solved the problem at the cost of performance of course. I am satisfied with their explanation. Even old MacBooks with over 1500 cycles like mine will sometimes just shut off at 30-40% - because they cannot handle peak currents anymore. But on the other things, definitely agree.

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I think my earlier post of a NON Thunderbolt eGPU solution is getting some attention now that Apple is killing off support for TB2 eGPUs. I built this a couple years ago when my cMP was my main machine. I have since built and switched to a Windows build for my main machine and moved this eGPU setup over to the new computer, which is one of the biggest benefits - there are zero drivers needed because it’s hardware-based. Both Mac and Windows systems see this external expansion at the hardware level before POST.

At any rate, here’s my original thread: 

https://egpu.io/forums/builds/2012-mac-pro-51-cmp-gtx980ti-3x-gtx780ti-cyclone-microsystems-backplane-host-bus-adaptor-win10-or-os-x-10-11-6-el-capitan/

2012 Mac Pro (GTX980Ti) [1st,12C,X] + GTX 780 Ti x3 @ 64Gbps-PCIe (Cyclone Backplane) + macOS 10.11.6 [build link]  

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