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hoeveler
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Posted by: ikir
Posted by: Dan Streaman

Longest supported platform ? What is your definition of “supported” ?
My super expensive Mac Pro 2013 (I bought for video processing) was never updated and has been obsolete for several years now. I waited for 5 years for a GPU upgrade, even at Apple’s preposterous prices, to no avail. I have my Akitio node sitting under my desk because I was convinced that Apple would have repaired to their horrible lack of attention by enabling external GPU in OS X to compensate for the inexcusable lack of upgrades, and... surprise surprise... the Mac Pro 2013 is not supported !
Is this your definition of “supported” ?
Oh, and I am currently writing this reply with my iPad Air which Apple has slowed down (on purpose) so much that the characters I am typing do not appear on screen in realtime. I have installed the latest iOS update, but it did not fix the battery “software issue” (i.e. obsolescence scam) on iPads. Seems their lawyers got away with only “fixing” phones.
I wish my iPad was not supported anymore since that infamous iOS update that decided to slow it down, and decided that I cannot revert back to a previous release.
Thanks for your kind “support”, Apple. Now excuse me, but I should go finish assembling my new PC with Windows 10.

This is you opinion, I have soo many costumers working with old Macs and they are fine because they have modern os, security and stability. Apple Made errors sometimes,  it for example high Sierra is very fast, iOS 11.3 is much more faster. Optimization matters. Most of time users which are not tech savvy blame Apple when the fault is a old battery, broken hard drive, bad software storing cpu cycles. Go to build your PC you will have some PROs and some CONs. And BTW there is no slowing down on any iPads, which have several years, but I can believe it seems slow now, but check another tablet of the same year with the same software. Android usuallly terribly on older devices and can’t update at all.
sell your Mac Pro it is a good machine which have a high value even today because it is a Mac and build a PC is you think it is a better platform for work but don’t spread FUD about planned obsolescence there is a really too much ignorance. Some months ago there were an article about older iPhones running faster with newer os, especially on GPU task than original os. But obviously everyone is talking about Apple slowing down iPhone... which is only if the battery needs exchange like on any device in the world.

I don’t mean this to sound negative, but it saddens me to see people stick by Apple’s side after so many times they have neglected the “pro” market. I used to be the same. I used to stay with my Apple products, sometimes upgrading them beyond their life (like my current classic Mac Pro). But when Apple continues to neglect the pro market and then release products that are 3-4x higher price than they need to be simply because they slap “Pro” on the name, and use Xeon processors (Xeons are server-grade) or ECC RAM (error correcting RAM is only needed for mission-critical scientific visualization). These are all reasons for saving ones money and building a lightning-fast Windows machine for 3-4 times less that’s as fast or faster.

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Jyin
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So, theoretically speaking. 

For those with nMP’s, couldn’t you move the SSD to the TB2 and use m2 for the GPU?

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hoeveler
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Posted by: hoeveler

I think my earlier post of a NON Thunderbolt eGPU solution is getting some attention now that Apple is killing off support for TB2 eGPUs. I built this a couple years ago when my cMP was my main machine. I have since built and switched to a Windows build for my main machine and moved this eGPU setup over to the new computer, which is one of the biggest benefits - there are zero drivers needed because it’s hardware-based. Both Mac and Windows systems see this external expansion at the hardware level before POST.

At any rate, here’s my original thread: 

https://egpu.io/forums/builds/2012-mac-pro-51-cmp-gtx980ti-3x-gtx780ti-cyclone-microsystems-backplane-host-bus-adaptor-win10-or-os-x-10-11-6-el-capitan/

Theoretically speaking, if you can adapt the m2 slot to PCIe, you could then use my cylone microsystems backplane solution to add as many GPUs as you want.

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ikir
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Posted by: nombrescreeno
Posted by: ikir
Posted by: nombrescreeno

Maybe I should rephrase, but they certainly had no issues with gimping iPhones after a year with the whole battery scandal, and they killed FireWire without a well-supported replacement at first as well

Only if the battery is under 80% of life, this is chemistry not a scandal. Otherwise you can choose your iPhone to turn off while under heavy load... like and eGPU with insufficient PSU. off topic anyway

Respectfully disagree. Other phones don't do this

And between things like FireWire, 3.5mm headphones, and TB1/2 now, Apple has never cared about ending widely adopted hardware standards of existing users

Every device do this, they simply turn off. Apple only made that if it happens one time, the peak load will be limited, so the phone doesn’t shut more. I work as an IT tech since 12 years and stop saying no sense. Every PC and Android phone turn off if the battery is weak under heavy load. Apple just saved your ass in this case, anyway you can choose to ignore the safe limit with iOS 11.3 and then blame Apple if your 3-4 yers battery turn off everything because the user don’t change it.
users always whine without knowing how things works.
enough OT also because everyone who wants to whine will continue anyway without understanding what the “scandal” was about.


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Dan Streaman
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Posted by: ikir
Posted by: nombrescreeno

Maybe I should rephrase, but they certainly had no issues with gimping iPhones after a year with the whole battery scandal, and they killed FireWire without a well-supported replacement at first as well

Only if the battery is under 80% of life, this is chemistry not a scandal. Otherwise you can choose your iPhone to turn off while under heavy load... like and eGPU with insufficient PSU. off topic anyway

Chemistry, uh ? My iPad was perfectly working before that infamous iOS upgrade and I only use it for email and web. Never had a problem with it turning off unexpectedly. Now it is so ridiculously slow that I can’t stand using it. Virtually bricked.
This is simply planned obsolescence. Adding insult to injury, Apple thought we were so dumb not to notice the scam.
My Android devices, even older than the iPad, still run at the same speed without sudden reboots. And if something will ever happen, I can just replace the battery (which is what Apple should offer for a small fee, if they were a serious company and they really cared about our user experience).

To do: Create my signature with system and expected eGPU configuration information to give context to my posts. I have no builds.

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hoeveler
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Posted by: Dan Streaman
Posted by: ikir
Posted by: nombrescreeno

Maybe I should rephrase, but they certainly had no issues with gimping iPhones after a year with the whole battery scandal, and they killed FireWire without a well-supported replacement at first as well

Only if the battery is under 80% of life, this is chemistry not a scandal. Otherwise you can choose your iPhone to turn off while under heavy load... like and eGPU with insufficient PSU. off topic anyway

Chemistry, uh ? My iPad was perfectly working before that infamous iOS upgrade and I only use it for email and web. Never had a problem with it turning off unexpectedly. Now it is so ridiculously slow that I can’t stand using it. Virtually bricked.
This is simply planned obsolescence. Adding insult to injury, Apple thought we were so dumb not to notice the scam.
My Android devices, even older than the iPad, still run at the same speed without sudden reboots. And if something will ever happen, I can just replace the battery (which is what Apple should offer for a small fee, if they were a serious company and they really cared about our user experience).

Apple DOES offer battery replacement here. And if you’re not covered, it costs about $75. Now can we get back on-topic? Smile
https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-power

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hoeveler
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This isn’t too far off-topic as we are taking about Apple’s consistent pattern of doing their own thing at the expense of their users. This just came out 5 hours ago. Have fun sticking with macOS when developers have to develop for an entirely new family of processors, completely unique to Apple!  https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/4/2/17189372/apple-intel-chip-processors-macs-date

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Dan Streaman
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Posted by: hoeveler
Apple DOES offer battery replacement here. And if you’re not covered, it costs about $75. Now can we get back on-topic? Smile

https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-power

Only for iPhones. Will check if they have news about iPads, but I guess we need a couple more class actions Smile

To do: Create my signature with system and expected eGPU configuration information to give context to my posts. I have no builds.

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Dan Streaman
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Posted by: hoeveler

This isn’t too far off-topic as we are taking about Apple’s consistent pattern of doing their own thing at the expense of their users. This just came out 5 hours ago. Have fun sticking with macOS when developers have to develop for an entirely new family of processors, completely unique to Apple!  https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/4/2/17189372/apple-intel-chip-processors-macs-date

If true, this is another dumb move into Apple inconsciously and eventually becoming a software-only company.
Piss off developers and your “best” hardware and “best” OS will soon be useless.
You will be soon developing your own “best” apps running only on your own “best” platform... only to eventually realize that your apps are not that good and the real best apps are made by third-party developers but only run on Windows. You have become a dying niche for fanboys only.
Now you need your customers back, and quick. Hurry up, add a Windows emulator... uhm, wait a moment...
I have some kind of deja-vu 😉

So what should Apple do instead ? Keep running on x86 and sell an yearly subscription to OS X with full support for standard PC hardware with selected components. Free OS X if you buy a Mac (until there will be Macs).

To do: Create my signature with system and expected eGPU configuration information to give context to my posts. I have no builds.

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@dan_streaman Apple is filtering out the demanding customers and keeping only the "best" ones.

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