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ikir
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https://gaming.radeon.com/en-us/rxvega/

 

Time to celebrate!


MacBook Pro 2018 Touch Bar i7 quad-core 2.7Ghz - 16GB RAM - 512GB PCIe SSD
my awesome Radeon VII eGPU
my Mantiz Venus extreme mod with Sapphire Nitro+ RX Vega 64

 
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Yukikaze
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I think we should hold off on the celebrations until we see that it is actually worth anything.

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Sky11
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Posted by: Yukikaze

I think we should hold off on the celebrations until we see that it is actually worth anything.

It is definitely worth something Smile http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-56-official-slide-performance-specs-price-leak/

However, not every eGPU box has enough power for Vega. Please wait until official announcement for XConnect support for Vega cards.

 

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Yukikaze
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I always take the official slides with a bucket of salt and wait for it to be out and reviewed. Bulldozer hype still comes to mind.

Not to mention that matching a GTX1080 is not much to brag about if the 300W power consumption is true. Street price and availability is yet another unknown.

I do want it to be out already, but I am cautious about what it actually is.

Want to output [email protected] out of an old system on the cheap? Read here.
Give your Node Pro a second Thunderbolt3 controller for reliable peripherals by re-using a TB3 dock (~50$).

"Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done, and why. Then do it."- Robert A. Heinlein, "Time Enough for Love."

 
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ikir
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Vega is exiting, no need to be pessimistic 😉


MacBook Pro 2018 Touch Bar i7 quad-core 2.7Ghz - 16GB RAM - 512GB PCIe SSD
my awesome Radeon VII eGPU
my Mantiz Venus extreme mod with Sapphire Nitro+ RX Vega 64

 
2018 13" MacBook Pro [8th,4C,U] + Radeon VII @ 32Gbps-TB3 (Mantiz Venus) + macOS 10.15 [build link]  


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Sky11
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Be patient guys... Vega's architecture is much different than anything before that, it will take some time for drivers to mature. And it is not just one card - it is a whole family, with different performance levels and prices.

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igerard
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Curious to see the first eGPU tests with the cards available now. 

I read that they are a little bit deceptive at first.

any news ?

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eGPU : Akitio Node + RX 580 + GTX 980 Ti + Vega64


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wimpzilla
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Do not buy any AMD Vega card at the moment, wait if you can.

AMD is facing big issues with pricing, stocks, advertising! As always everyone is trying to surf the wave to earn money on customers shoulders, seems AMD first unfortunately! The lunch, reviews and drivers are quite messy, wait AIB partners come out with their product in a moth or so.

If you need to water cool the card then get a reference model, if not get an AIB model, but in both cases wait! The reference stock cooler is bad, especially the vapor chamber that do no offer any decent thick cold plate and rely only on fins to dissipate the gpu. On the other side, the pcb, vrm power stage of the reference design however are pure madness, i think it is one of the best pcb i ever saw engineering wise, congrats AMD engineers!!

AMD played the shadow lunch card, he is not willing to be clear toward customers on what he is planing to do with Vega, nothing to do with TR cpu lunch! Vega GCN architecture is indeed powerful imo, with more than 11 billions transistors. But this have some drawback, that AMD has to face at the moment, like the complex manufacturing process, die yield, the use of HBM2.

Gaming performances wise the Vega 64 perform better than a GTX1080 and the Vega 56 is on par with a GTX1070, but with higher power consumption! Computing performances are very good but depends, some test put Vega 64 head to head with a GTX TXp/Ti. You need to check which tools, programs you are using and leverage the related benchmark. New versions of the Vega Pro WX and/or deep learning card will be out soon, so wait if you need signed drivers for your engineering workflow.

That said as always AMD build gpu that are good "to do all", so no specific gaming optimization, some of the gpu features are still disabled and/or in the shadow! One could argue that the Vega 64 could hit the GTX1080Ti performances and the Vega 56 the GTX1080. But it will need time, months or even years before the full Vega performances begin to arise, usual "AMD Fine Wine" that developers need begin to tame for use all the Vega computing power!

Conclusion, do not buy any AMD RX Vega product until AIB partners are out, the card is good but not finished. This do not apply to Vega FE and WX, it is another another story and do not target gaming environment! AMD have to pay the price of their PR relations, imo a sincere discussion toward customers and professional would have been more valuable, instead of building miner and fanboy drama issues!

The major mistake AMD did  imo, is to try to go head to head against Nvidia, instead being honest toward the gaming/computing community saying clearly: "Here what we got for now, it will be better, just build Vega together!"

Side note: AMD included a security ARM processor within Vega gpu, it mean at the moment any bios modification are not allowed. Another downfall from AMD, where the bios tuning is a key point in the last AMD gpu generations. Again no word from AMD about, no word from the comunity eithier. It simply mean i can't control the vrm power stage, remove TDP limits, tune the gpu in general as i'm doing on my R9 290 under water, with a modded bios and VRMTool! Modders are warned, you can still hard voltmod the card but you can't remove any TDP limit by bios. You need to use a trick and edit the windows driver powerplay register.

2012 13-inch Dell Latitude E6320 + R9 [email protected] (EXP GDC 8.4) + Win10
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2012 15" Lenovo Thinkpad T530 [2nd,4C,Q] + R9 270X @ 4Gbps-mPCIe2 (EXP GDC 8.4) + Win10 [build link]  


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Sky11
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Posted by: wimpzilla

Do not buy any AMD Vega card at the moment, wait if you can.

AMD is facing big issues with pricing, stocks, advertising! As always everyone is trying to surf the wave to earn money on customers shoulders, seems AMD first unfortunately! The lunch, reviews and drivers are quite messy, wait AIB partners come out with their product in a moth or so.

If you need to water cool the card then get a reference model, if not wait AIB partners. The reference stock cooler is bad, especially their vapor chamber that do no offer any decent thick cold plate and rely only on fins to dissipate the gpu. On the other side the pcb, vrm power stage of the reference design however are pure madness, i think it is one of the best pcb i ever saw engendering side, congrats AMD engineers!!

AMD played the shadow lunch card, he is not willing to be clear toward customers on what he is planing to do with Vega, nothing to do with TR cpu lunch! Vega GCN architecture is indeed powerful imo, with more than 11 billions of transistors. But this have some drawback, that AMD has to face at the moment.

Gaming performances wise the Vega 64 perform better than a GTX1080 and the Vega 56 is on par with a GTX1070, but with higher power consumption! Computing performances are very good but depends, some test put Vega 64 head to head with a GTX TXp/Ti. You need to check which tools, programs you are using and check the benchmark for the program one use. New versions of the Vega Pro WX will be out soon so wait if you need signed drivers for your engineering workflow.

That said as always AMD build gpu that are good "to do all", so no specific gaming optimization, some of the gpu features are still disabled and/or in the shadow! One could argue that the Vega 64 could hit the GTX1080Ti performances and the Vega 56 the GTX1080. But it will need time, months or even a year before the full Vega performances begin to arise, usual "AMD Fine wine" that developers need to begin to tame for use all the Vega computing power!

Conclusion, do not buy any AMD Vega product until AIB partners are out, the card is good but not finished. AMD have to pay the price of their PR relations, imo a sincere discussion toward customers and professional would have been more valuable, instead of building miner and fanboy drama issues!

The major mistake AMD did is to try to go head to head against Nvidia, instead being honest toward the gaming/computing community saying clearly: "Here what we got for now, it will be better, just build Vega together!"

Side note: AMD included a security ARM processor within Vega gpu, it mean at the moment any bios modification are not allowed. Another downfall from AMD, where the bios tuning is a key point in the last AMD gpu generations. Again no word from AMD about, no word from the comunity eithier. It simply mean i can't control the vrm power stage, remove TDP limits, tune the gpu in general as i'm doing on my R9 290 under water, with a modded bios and VRMTool! Modders are warned, you can still hard voltmod the card but you can't remove any TDP limit!

Please wait for official XConnect support announcement for Vega10 GPUs. Spoiler alert: RX 64 and RX 56 are first in queue Smile

To do: Create my signature with system and expected eGPU configuration information to give context to my posts. I have no builds.

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wimpzilla
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Posted by: Sky11

Please wait for official XConnect support announcement for Vega10 GPUs. Spoiler alert: RX 64 and RX 56 are first in queue Smile

There is nothing to wait. XConnect will not not change what the gpu die, the bios is. XConnect drivers will impact on how the gpu will behave and perform in future, through driver optimizations.

At the moment i would not recommend any Vega RX cards, eGPU and desktop wise for gaming, they are not worth the money that AMD and the retailers are asking, even with the packs and games!

You can get a GTX1070/1080 for the same price, even if older Pascal architecture, for normal customers that just seek to play games, they are a better way to go!

The power consumption is not balanced, neither the clocks profiles, neither power profiles withing the bios are not finished. Some gpu features are not active, developers need to work on optimization toward this new gpu.

eGPU side at the moment i would not recommend any RX Vega for gaming. Again wait a month or so that AIB partners releases their products.

Then with futures optimizations and prices updates, like always, one can reconsider RX Vega as eGPU and general gaming.

The Vega FE, Pro WX are another story since it aim directly to prosumers that have other needs and other market segment prices.

2012 13-inch Dell Latitude E6320 + R9 [email protected] (EXP GDC 8.4) + Win10
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2012 15" Lenovo Thinkpad T530 [2nd,4C,Q] + R9 270X @ 4Gbps-mPCIe2 (EXP GDC 8.4) + Win10 [build link]  


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