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Kelvin Tan
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I'm thinking of ordering a Radeon VII when it releases, does anyone know if Mojave have the kext drivers for it yet?

Currently facing wake-from-sleep issues with my Mantiz Venus + Vega 56, so hoping the Radeon VII will solve it and give a nice performance boost.

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@itsage confirmed by looking at device IDs that the driver is under development (macOS 10.14.4).

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While the PCI ID of Radeon VII has made its way to the latest macOS 10.14.4 Beta build, the card does not work yet. Also interesting is the fact that it doesn’t work in Windows 10 through a Thunderbolt 3 enclosure either. AMD has some work to do.

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@itsage Thanks for the info! Would think given that Radeon VII seems to share the same GCN architecture as Vega, it'll be quite straightforward.

Do you mean it's not recognised as an XConnect compatible card in Win10? Or drivers fail to detect and load entirely?

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@itsage do you see this device ID in one of the “controller” named kexts? What tool are you using to list the devices?

NVM, saw your other post where you mention it is in 10000Controller. 

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I will order one soon for me and reviewing for eGPU.it
Can't wait for macOS to support it correctly


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well... I ordered one, bcuz I heard that there is / was short supply ... and there was ... so I got lucky, it was sold out in minutes with / on / at all german online stores ... so yeah it is still not confirmed when it will be shipped to me but at least I'll have one as soon as the driver will work in MacOS i'll test / compare it to Vega 64 and RX580 in FCPX (and maybe Resolve and Premiere Pro)

... to update this: 

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From what I heard, AMD had a few ODMs produced roughly 20K units for this launch. It may be sold out today but there are more on the way. This is bad timing imo because it’s during the Lunar New Year.

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Are they any know if it has those power peaks over 300 Watt like the Vega64? Can normal enclosures wield it?

EDIT: wtf.. tests say GTX1080Ti is better in most games?!

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I'm thinking of getting one! One silly question:

Would BootCamp Windows 10 with the new Adrenalin v19.2.1 driver work on the MacBook Pro for the time being?

PS I'm new to the eGPU world (and would like to start my first build with Radeon VII + Razer Core X

Thanks...

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Adrenalin 19.2.1 drivers don’t have XConnect support for Radeon VII yet.

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@itsage you are a godsend, thanks for all the info so that we won't have to waste money on something that doesn't work for egpus yet.

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Posted by: OliverB

Are they any know if it has those power peaks over 300 Watt like the Vega64? Can normal enclosures wield it?

EDIT: wtf.. tests say GTX1080Ti is better in most games?!

Don’t know what tests have you seen but i’ve read many reviews already. The card is impressive. Beats 2080 in some games, perform very well in computing. Consider also that not everything is optimized yet and the amount of RAM, very future proof. It is a vast improvements over Vega 64. Better macOS driver for sure since Nvidia are terrible.
check AnandTech review, you will see Radeon VII will beat RTX 2080 in many cases


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Posted by: Kelvin Tan

@itsage you are a godsend, thanks for all the info so that we won't have to waste money on something that doesn't work for egpus yet.

Yes @itsage you saved us! I ended up getting a Gigabyte Vega 64 for $300 for the time being, right now the resellers in my country are marking up at least $200 more off retail price!

Thanks again

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... so, just got info that my Radeon VII is sipped. will be here Saturday or Monday... lets see if its at least running smoothly in my Windows 10 Bootcamp ony my 2010 MacPro 😉

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Posted by: ikir
Posted by: OliverB

Are they any know if it has those power peaks over 300 Watt like the Vega64? Can normal enclosures wield it?

EDIT: wtf.. tests say GTX1080Ti is better in most games?!

Don’t know what tests have you seen but i’ve read many reviews already. The card is impressive. Beats 2080 in some games, perform very well in computing. Consider also that not everything is optimized yet and the amount of RAM, very future proof. It is a vast improvements over Vega 64. Better macOS driver for sure since Nvidia are terrible.
check AnandTech review, you will see Radeon VII will beat RTX 2080 in many cases

The general consensus on Reddit is it's not good.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ao05xo/radeon_vii_reviews_megathread/

It's performing behind 2080 for games, but compute tasks it's great.

Thegreatest weakness for the Radeon vii, is the noise levels.That's just going to be amplified in a small egpu enclosure. And a lot of people won't tolerate noise next to their quiet laptops.

Even for compute tasks, the problem is very little applications really make full use even of the Vega 64's current compute facilities.

All these is moot though, for as long as Apple doesn't approve NVIDIA drivers, our only alternative for a high performance GPU that can challenge NVIDIA offerings is the Radeon vii.

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Posted by: ikir
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Are they any know if it has those power peaks over 300 Watt like the Vega64? Can normal enclosures wield it?

EDIT: wtf.. tests say GTX1080Ti is better in most games?!

Don’t know what tests have you seen but i’ve read many reviews already. The card is impressive. Beats 2080 in some games, perform very well in computing. Consider also that not everything is optimized yet and the amount of RAM, very future proof. It is a vast improvements over Vega 64. Better macOS driver for sure since Nvidia are terrible.
check AnandTech review, you will see Radeon VII will beat RTX 2080 in many cases

I saw a set of 10 games and the GTX1080Ti beat the crap out of Radeon VII in 9 out of 10 games.

EDIT: Weren't you the user who said that GTX780Ti wasn't natively supported under MacOSX?

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Posted by: OliverB

Are they any know if it has those power peaks over 300 Watt like the Vega64? Can normal enclosures wield it?

EDIT: wtf.. tests say GTX1080Ti is better in most games?!

Don’t know what tests have you seen but i’ve read many reviews already. The card is impressive. Beats 2080 in some games, perform very well in computing. Consider also that not everything is optimized yet and the amount of RAM, very future proof. It is a vast improvements over Vega 64. Better macOS driver for sure since Nvidia are terrible.
check AnandTech review, you will see Radeon VII will beat RTX 2080 in many cases

The general consensus on Reddit is it's not good.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ao05xo/radeon_vii_reviews_megathread/

It's performing behind 2080 for games, but compute tasks it's great.

And the 2080 is performing behind the GTX1080Ti for most games. So as this is an ordered metric this means in games:
Radeon VII << GTX1080Ti

This is really disappointing, if you think of 16GB HBMs and 7nm.

About the computing tasks? Nobody cares! If people cared they would have noticed that newest nVidia drivers have an issue with OpenCL. Nobody notices, because nobody cares. (see OpenCL Issues with newest nVidia drivers)

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Thegreatest weakness for the Radeon vii, is the noise levels.That's just going to be amplified in a small egpu enclosure. And a lot of people won't tolerate noise next to their quiet laptops.

My EVGA GTX1080Ti Sc2 is very silent and needs 240Watt, easily powered by any eGPU enclosure. So, yes, the RadeonVII is a very big disappointment.

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@oliverb last I checked the 780 Ti isn’t supported natively on macOS (it’s true). It works well. See below.

Agree with you. It is seriously unreal that a 16nm card from 2 years ago performs so admirably vs. the Radeon 7 in games. Assuming good driver updates for the AMD, we would still be competing head to head, while the 1080 ti would consume far less power (and it’s 16 f’in nm vs 7nm). Compute is where AMD excels - it’s good for work stuff, not gaming. Per GamersNexus in their early tests, on average the Radeon 7 was 2% slower than the 1080 ti in games.

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@oliverb last I checked the 780 Ti isn’t supported natively on macOS (it’s true). 

As far as my 780 Ti is concerned, it is natively supported.

Screenshot 2019 02 06 at 19.02.46

I double-checked it with High Sierra and no nVidia web drivers: It works!

The claims done in this Post with wrong info about GTX780Ti are plainly wrong.

EDIT: To be absolutely sure, I even opened this GTX780Ti and verified the chip: It's nVidia Kepler GK110-425-B1, so it's legit: GeForce GTX 780 Ti is natively supported by MacOSX

GTX780TiOpen

 

The worst thing is, that I actually believed what was said here, that the GTX780Ti (and so the Titan) wasn't support. This is a complete misinformation, because both cards are a real alternative for Mojave.

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@oliverb I thought the same reading off here. Thanks for sharing that the 780 Ti works natively! This may have changed in High Sierra vs. the post you linked, which was for Sierra, but still good to know.

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Agree with you. It is seriously unreal that a 16nm card from 2 years ago performs so admirably vs. the Radeon 7 in games. Assuming good driver updates for the AMD, we would still be competing head to head, while the 1080 ti would consume far less power (and it’s 16 f’in nm vs 7nm). Compute is where AMD excels - it’s good for work stuff, not gaming. Per GamersNexus in their early tests, on average the Radeon 7 was 2% slower than the 1080 ti in games.

Actually there is something unreal about the GTX1080Ti. nVidia themselves still do suffer under the incredible performance. Anything they brought after had been seen as a big disappointment including the whole RTX20xx line.

Actually my GTX1080Ti is causing me only problems with Macs, POST issues, No Mojave Support, No Disconnect under High Sierra etc... But it's worth keeping it just for strength it is representing.

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@oliverb I thought the same reading off here. Thanks for sharing that the 780 Ti works natively! This may have changed in High Sierra vs. the post you linked, which was for Sierra, but still good to know.

I actually bought it, because I didn't see any sense why it shouldn't work. All Kepler chips I tried so far, worked. That's a very strict rule: Kepler = works, Any other = doesn't work.
I think in this reading there has been a confusion about "natively support" and "still have to enable nVidia" and the problem is that it was widely accepted without double-checking.

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@oliverb In the post you linked to, I believe the user did test the 780 ti and it did not work (in Sierra), after which it was concluded so. I think @itsage may have tested this too that time; I don't recall. Anyway good to know it works now.

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@mac_editor I forgot to mention I use Mac-AMD-Info to check new PCI ID in macOS builds.

@oliverb We appreciate your continuous testing of different graphics cards in both macOS and Windows. However please refrain from throwing blanket statements without context. It confuses people who are not familiar with macOS and eGPU. Each macOS build brings changes that we can’t possibly track them all. Keep in mind this is our hobby, not our job. As you’ve experienced many things are through trial and error. We share new information so that as a collective we can learn from each other.

 

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I was in touch with Akitio about their node pro, which has 550W PSU.  They seemed to think that it would use 300w, so not as demanding as Vega 64.

I ordered one to use with FCPX and Akitio Node Pro on my full spec iMac.  Then I realized it needs updated OS to run 🙁   Hopefully that comes soon—any one care to guess when?

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Got my Radeon VII and Razer Core X.

Can confirm, doesn't work.

  • Called Razer, they were not very helpful.
  • Called AMD, their Radeon VII team told me (as I see here) to wait for MacOS 10.14.4.

Currently plugging the Core X into the MBP with Radeon VII inside yields "No GPU detected" or a hard shutdown of the Mac, complete with a few seconds of 100% RPM on both internal fans... never seen (heard) that before.

Anyway...... we wait.

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I am going to get a AMD Radeon VII, once the Apple OS beta is working with the card and it goes into general release. The cards are all sold out right now and I am going to sell my GTX 1080 TI to my brother and get the AMD card. I am so tired of waiting for nvidia and Apple not getting it to work with Mojave. At least the two companies could have a statement and say yes we are working on it, or no it is not going to happen.

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BTW, GeForce GTX 690 with Kepler Chips (!) is supported natively, too. This is special case because of the two chips, which work like charm under MacOSX:

LuxMark5GPUs

I am having problems to get it (them;) run under Windows. @itsage, do you have any experience with Dual-GPUs?

 

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@oliverb This is very cool to see a dual-chip GPU actually works in macOS. EVGA produced a Mac Edition GTX 680 so drivers for them are well optimized. I had tried Radeon Pro Duo (Fiji) before in 10.12 but macOS was not able to work with it. It worked in Boot Camp but one of the two chips showed up with error 12.

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hey ... maybe stay on the topic of the Radeon VII ?! 😉

... so in other news: ny Radeon VII just arrived today ... aaaaand it did not work with the eGPU with my MacBook Pro / MacOS Mojave... so surprise there ... so I did put it in my 2010 MacPro running Windows 10 Bootcamp drive .... and it shows up (after installing the official AMD Windows driver for the Radeon VII) and seems to work ... will try some games and Davinci Resolve

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@oliverb This is very cool to see a dual-chip GPU actually works in macOS. EVGA produced a Mac Edition GTX 680 so drivers for them are well optimized. I had tried Radeon Pro Duo (Fiji) before in 10.12 but macOS was not able to work with it. It worked in Boot Camp but one of the two chips showed up with error 12.

@itsage, it works very well with MacOSX.

Windows is a problem, though. I got also one chip showing Error 12. If I boot with them (normally solves Error 12 in my setup) they would both be yellow banged with Error 43, which can be solved by Disabling and Enabling, only to appear Error 12 again on one chip. Disabling some devises does not help. It may be interesting that the USB-C port of my Asus XG Station is not usable with this card.

I know from an another Dual-GPU that in Desktop PC there are no issues, this is only an eGPU problem.

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@eightarmedpet I believe @fcpxusergermany tested it through the internal PCIe slot of 2010 Mac Pro tower in Windows, not via TB3 enclosure.

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@eightarmedpet I believe @fcpxusergermany tested it through the internal PCIe slot of 2010 Mac Pro tower in Windows, not via TB3 enclosure.

yes it's internal PCIe slot ... and only with Windows 10

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@eightarmedpet I believe @fcpxusergermany tested it through the internal PCIe slot of 2010 Mac Pro tower in Windows, not via TB3 enclosure.

Oh aye, I noticed that, but it’s promising...

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Posted by: Eightarmedpet
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@eightarmedpet I believe @fcpxusergermany tested it through the internal PCIe slot of 2010 Mac Pro tower in Windows, not via TB3 enclosure.

Oh aye, I noticed that, but it’s promising...

If it doesn't work with an internal pci-slot in Windows 10, even I would lose hope 😉

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... so far so good ... actually no issues yet ... played a lil bit of "Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands" and "MafiaII"I on best settings in 1080p... no issues so far ...running some benchmarks now... 

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