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PFCBarefoot
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MSI GS63VR 6700HQ & GTX1060

Thunderbolt 1575 Controller

Akitio Node with GTX 1080

Long story short it does "work" however with most games the internal 1060 will outperform the 1080 when connected to external monitor. For example, Wildlands (mix of high/very high) yields 40-50s on the 1080 and 60s on the 1060. Other games just refuse to start. I cannot start GTA V or Battlefield 1 with the eGPU. 

If you have a 1060...no reason to go the eGPU route.

 

Unless I've missed something that someone else knows will help my GTX1080 performance.

 

EDIT EDIT EDIT : It looks like my Akitio Node is suffering from an issue causing half H2D bandwidth due to the TI83 board. Akitio is looking into the problem.

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and External Display:

ϟ AKiTiO Thunder2 + EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Gaming (macOS Sierra 10.12.4 and Windows 10)
MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
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Posted by: PFCBarefoot

 

MSI GS63VR 6700HQ & GTX1060

Thunderbolt 1575 Controller

Akitio Node with GTX 1080

Long story short it does "work" however with most games the internal 1060 will outperform the 1080 when connected to external monitor..

Unless I've missed something that someone else knows will help my GTX1080 performance.

   

Pls compare your CUDA-Z host-to-device (H2D) results to see if you too are only getting half-bandwidth through as reported at https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/alert-akitio-node-half-h2d-bandwidth-issue/#post-5541

If so, would you mind posting your:

1. CUDA-Z->Performance tab with your GTX1080 as the target,

2. The hwinfo64 info tree showing your TB3 controllers, making the window large enough to include your SSD. Like this.

eGPU Setup 1.35    •    eGPU Port Bandwidth Reference Table    •    Several builds
2015 15" Dell Precision 7510 M1000M + GTX 1080 Ti @ 32Gbps-M2 (ADT-Link R43SG) + Win10


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PFCBarefoot
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Posted by: nando4

 

Posted by: PFCBarefoot

 

MSI GS63VR 6700HQ & GTX1060

Thunderbolt 1575 Controller

Akitio Node with GTX 1080

Long story short it does "work" however with most games the internal 1060 will outperform the 1080 when connected to external monitor..

Unless I've missed something that someone else knows will help my GTX1080 performance.

   

Pls compare your CUDA-Z host-to-device (H2D) results to see if you too are only getting half-bandwidth through as reported at https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/alert-akitio-node-half-h2d-bandwidth-issue/#post-5541

If so, would you mind posting your:

1. CUDA-Z->Performance tab with your GTX1080 as the target,

2. The hwinfo64 info tree showing your TB3 controllers, making the window large enough to include your SSD. Like this.

   

Yeah I am suspecting the same issue here. I will run Cuda-Z tomorrow and update this thread with the information.

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Here are some gaming benchmarks comparing the internal GTX 1060 against the Node w/ GTX 1080. All tests were done using an external monitor. It is interesting to me that they are more/less equal and some games actually do better on the 1060 ranther than the 1080. Still unable to test the difference a TI82 controller would make vs a TI83.

MSI GS63VR - 6700HQ & 16GB DDR4

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PFCBarefoot
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Unfortunately it looks like the eGPU thing didn't quite pan out for me. I was really hoping to get a little bit of improvement over the 1060 so I could use the 1080 at home and 1060 while on the road. Oh well. I will likely sell the Node and build an itx system instead. Maybe when Thunderbolt 4 comes in a few years I will try again.

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I'll buy your node 🙂 

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Posted by: Poblopuablo

 

I'll buy your node 🙂 

   

I am going to put it up for sale on eBay and I will post the link here for those interested.

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Ok. The other option is hardware swap on Reddit. Or the buy/sell forum here. But eBay is probably your safest bet (you loose 10% of sale to eBay and 3% to PayPal) 

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Posted by: PFCBarefoot

 

Here are some gaming benchmarks comparing the internal GTX 1060 against the Node w/ GTX 1080. All tests were done using an external monitor. It is interesting to me that they are more/less equal and some games actually do better on the 1060 ranther than the 1080. Still unable to test the difference a TI82 controller would make vs a TI83.

MSI GS63VR - 6700HQ & 16GB DDR4

  

A GTX1080 PCIe scaling reference for GTA V at techpowerup exists which is matching your eGPU result of 130FPS at FHD

We can use this to postulate how the half H2D issue is affecting performance of GTA V based on:

* half H2D brings your TB3 eGPU bandwidth to just slightly over x4 1.1 (8Gbps vs 9.22Gbps)

* x4 1.1 had 127.2FPS which closely matches your 130FPS

* if the H2D issue was fixed, it would give you just slightly over x8 1.1 equivalent H2D bandwidth

* For GTA V, a x4 1.1 -> x8 1.1 bandwidth increase saw a FPS increase from 127.2->143.6 (+13%).

* A 13% increase for you would be FPS increase from 130->146.9.

 

What sort of FPS improvement could be had if the half-H2D TI83 TB3 enclosure bandwidth issue was fixed?

This is a summary of the games seeing more significant FPS increase with a x4 1.1 -> x8 1.1 bandwidth increase (approx. equivalent to the H2D issue being fixed). Take from techpowerup's GTX1080 PCIe Scaling test @ FHD

* Hitman: +46% (63.7->93.1)  here

* Far Cry Primal: 43% (51.4->73.9) here

* Just Cause 3: +42% (73.7->104.7)  here

* Total War Warhammer : +39% (43.2->58.6)  here

* Assassin's Creed Syndicate: +29%  (55.1->70.9) here

* BF1: +26% (97.8->123.4) here

 

 

eGPU Setup 1.35    •    eGPU Port Bandwidth Reference Table    •    Several builds
2015 15" Dell Precision 7510 M1000M + GTX 1080 Ti @ 32Gbps-M2 (ADT-Link R43SG) + Win10


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hi! do you know what is your TB3 controller chip? is it alpine ridge? is it one of these?

 

DSL6340 Thunderbolt 3 NHI [Alpine Ridge 2C 2015] 1575 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1575
DSL6340 Thunderbolt 3 Bridge [Alpine Ridge 2C 2015] 1576 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1576

DSL6540 Thunderbolt 3 NHI [Alpine Ridge 4C 2015] 1577 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1577
DSL6540 Thunderbolt 3 Bridge [Alpine Ridge 4C 2015] 1578 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1578

JHL6240 Thunderbolt 3 NHI (Low Power) [Alpine Ridge LP 2016] 15bf PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_15bf
JHL6240 Thunderbolt 3 Bridge (Low Power) [Alpine Ridge LP 2016] 15c0 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_15c0

JHL6540 Thunderbolt 3 NHI (C step) [Alpine Ridge 4C 2016] 15d2 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_15d2
JHL6540 Thunderbolt 3 Bridge (C step) [Alpine Ridge 4C 2016] 15d3 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_15d3

JHL6340 Thunderbolt 3 NHI (C step) [Alpine Ridge 2C 2016] 15d9 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_15d9
JHL6340 Thunderbolt 3 Bridge (C step) [Alpine Ridge 2C 2016] 15da PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_15da

 

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Would a having a Node+1070/80 be better than an internal 1050 in a laptop?

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Posted by: fireNice

 

Would a having a Node+1070/80 be better than an internal 1050 in a laptop?

   

Yes.

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PFCBarefoot, by any chance, can you share details of your TB3 driver (printscreen would be great), following the steps here:  https://www.akitio.com/information-center/node-gpu-compatibility

I have a MSI GS43VR 6RE, and on the details page I see NVM18 for FW, and that it doesn't support EGPU. I've read that EGPUs still work fine. I just want to have a glimpse of how other MSI laptops work. 

A GS43VR 7RE owner posted the following.
https://www.reddit.com/r/eGPU/comments/5tlztj/msi_gs43vr_7re_kaby_lake_egpus_supported/
I guess it has newer FW, but same HW. I've written to MSI support a number of times to request FW update for 6RE to no avail.

Many thanks!

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do you have any updates?

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Posted by: turhank
I guess it has newer FW, but same HW. I've written to MSI support a number of times to request FW update for 6RE to no avail.

7RE Thunderbolt drivers installed just fine on 6RE, NVM firmware version got updated to 21 (check the other GS43VR thread  here for screenshot & details). Unfortunately I do not yet own eGPU, so it's impossible to say if anything were improved 🙂

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Hello.

I am having a very hard time figuring out which devices have which controllers in them. Could anybody who owns external PCIe or external GPU enclosures please let me know which chipset the device has?

I will start with all the things I own:

Dell XPS 9365 = JHL6340 '8086/15D9'
Asrock Z270 Fata1ity ITX/ac motherboard = JHL6240 '8086/15BF'
Aorus Thunderbolt 3 Gaming Box eGFX = DSL6540 '8086/1577'
Asrock Thunderbolt 3 AIC = JHL6540 '8086/15D2'

The easiest way on Windows is to download PCI-Z and run it. The external devices only show the Thunderbolt Bridge, which is normally one more than the controller (my Aorus says '8086/1578' for the bridge, and the controller is '8086/1577').
On Linux you should be able to use 'sudo lspci -vt' or similar command. Mac does not have the lspci command (as confirmed by a friend) so I have no clue there.

Sorry to hijack this thread but I cannot get this information out of most manufacturers. I appreciate any information from people who own any devices.

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I have a friend with a Mac who just got OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and using 'ioreg -bls | grep -i pci8086' we could deduce that:

OWC Thunderbolt 3 Dock = DSL6540 '8086/1577'

It is annoying how they are still using older generation controllers, and probably saving a couple of dollars.

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