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RaxTr
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February 19, 2017 8:49 am  

Hello. I Have a problem with XG Station and Asus Transformer 3 Pro. Same problem that @jackeyjoe had, it can't detect my Asus GTX1060. But in my case, my device is officially supported by Asus. By this time, I've updated everything that I could, I've even made a fresh windows install, but nothing is working. I think that could be a hardware problem. I've inspected every side of XGS and have found there's a red light near the power connector. Every other lights are glowing white except this one. I was hoping I could find somebody on this forum who could help me and tell what does this red light mean.

Thanks in advance.


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February 20, 2017 4:09 pm  

Hi RazTr,

You are only the third consumer I've seen who has these in hand thus far. None of the three show it working yet. So I doubt anyone here can help you yet.

I'd recommend registering and noting this on jackeyjoe's post over at ASUS. They actually provided him some decent technical support there, but it didn't fix his problem. Indeed, his problem may be the same you're seeing. 

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?90858-Asus-ROG-XG-Station-2-my-experiences

The other consumer is andvoy, whom I haven't yet seen here at eGPU.io. Here's his post, still awaiting a GPU to put in and test.

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?91068-GL502VM-XG-Station-2-is-a-GO!

Do keep us posted though. There may be others out there with these who haven't yet shared their difficulties or success stories.


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February 24, 2017 12:04 pm  
Posted by: AquaeAtrae

 

Hi RazTr,

You are only the third consumer I've seen who has these in hand thus far. None of the three show it working yet. So I doubt anyone here can help you yet.

I'd recommend registering and noting this on jackeyjoe's post over at ASUS. They actually provided him some decent technical support there, but it didn't fix his problem. Indeed, his problem may be the same you're seeing. 

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?90858-Asus-ROG-XG-Station-2-my-experiences

The other consumer is andvoy, whom I haven't yet seen here at eGPU.io. Here's his post, still awaiting a GPU to put in and test.

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?91068-GL502VM-XG-Station-2-is-a-GO!

Do keep us posted though. There may be others out there with these who haven't yet shared their difficulties or success stories.

   

Now confirmed working after that firmware update.  https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?90858-Asus-ROG-XG-Station-2-my-experiences&p=632853&viewfull=1#post632853

 

If RaxTr still has issues after the firmware update he may require a RMA? The transformer 3 pro should work out of the box... that red light is running on mine, although all the LED's are on too. 


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RaxTr
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February 24, 2017 1:43 pm  

Hello again

It appears that there was nothing wrong with XGS. I've just got a defected card which was replaced by the warranty. So now it's working smoothly. Also, even if it officially supports gtx 9/10 series cards, I managed to run it with my old gtx 580, so other older cards might run as well. Not sure about Amd cards, though.


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February 27, 2017 2:17 pm  

Thanks RaxTr,

Do you know if the manual for the XG Station 2 is available anywhere (preferably in English)? I'm curious about its unique ability to add bandwidth by optionally attaching a USB cable. I'm guessing that simply routes all of its USB devices off of Thunderbolt 3 to let it focus on the eGPU, but I'm hoping to confirm how that works.

PS: Or does it only come with the Quick Start manual? I'm referring to the USB Type-B port shown on page 4, but it doesn't ever discuss using it.

 


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March 2, 2017 1:01 pm  
Posted by: AquaeAtrae

 

Thanks RaxTr,

Do you know if the manual for the XG Station 2 is available anywhere (preferably in English)? I'm curious about its unique ability to add bandwidth by optionally attaching a USB cable. I'm guessing that simply routes all of its USB devices off of Thunderbolt 3 to let it focus on the eGPU, but I'm hoping to confirm how that works.

PS: Or does it only come with the Quick Start manual? I'm referring to the USB Type-B port shown on page 4, but it doesn't ever discuss using it.

 

   

Manual is the same as the one on the asus support site(practically no information in it). USB and ethernet works fine either just through TB3 or with both. Not sure I can tell you much beyond that, I'm assuming there is some software trickery going on behind the scenes?


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March 2, 2017 1:20 pm  

Thanks jackeyjoe,

Very glad ASUS provided the open firmware you needed to get this working on the XPS 15. Have you tested it with an internal vs external display yet (< 60fps, same resolution)? Many think that with just x2 lanes of PCIe, using the laptops internal display with eGPU will suffer badly. But because that bandwidth is bi-directional, I suspect we may be misinterpreting this. It's important to test with the same resolution and settings high enough (or supersampled) so fps remains below the 60 fps limit Optimus routing allows. This may be possible (or nearly so) with the Time Spy benchmark depending on your GPU.

As for ASUS's extra USB option, I'd be curious to track how your XG Station 2's USB and Ethernet devices (HWinfo64) connect when using the USB-B cable vs. Thunderbolt only. Do they still show as connected across the Alpine Ridge Thunderbolt 3 Controller or are they now reconnected over that USB port alone, freeing the Thunderbolt bandwidth as claimed?

 


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March 3, 2017 2:29 am  
Posted by: AquaeAtrae

 

Thanks jackeyjoe,

Very glad ASUS provided the open firmware you needed to get this working on the XPS 15. Have you tested it with an internal vs external display yet (< 60fps, same resolution)? Many think that with just x2 lanes of PCIe, using the laptops internal display with eGPU will suffer badly. But because that bandwidth is bi-directional, I suspect we may be misinterpreting this. It's important to test with the same resolution and settings high enough (or supersampled) so fps remains below the 60 fps limit Optimus routing allows. This may be possible (or nearly so) with the Time Spy benchmark depending on your GPU.

As for ASUS's extra USB option, I'd be curious to track how your XG Station 2's USB and Ethernet devices (HWinfo64) connect when using the USB-B cable vs. Thunderbolt only. Do they still show as connected across the Alpine Ridge Thunderbolt 3 Controller or are they now reconnected over that USB port alone, freeing the Thunderbolt bandwidth as claimed?

 

   

I haven't tested internal versus external, I've got a 4k external display so if I have the eGPU connected I won't ever use the internal display. I can run some game bencharks and see what happens I guess? Anything in particular you want run?

 

My USB Peripherals are showing up through the USB hub, not the thunderbolt controller. Confirmed? 


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March 3, 2017 6:37 am  

Thanks jackeyjoe,

I know you're running a GTX 1080 there. What's your internal display resolution? Do you have the Time Spy upgrade to benchmark with? Either way, I'll see if I can layout a test for the internal display for ya.

Your link looks like the USB hub is still connected through the Thunderbolt cable (called "PCI Express x4 Bus #9"). Is this with the USB Type-B cable attached? If so, there may be some ASUS XG Station 2 setting that needs to be enabled.


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March 4, 2017 2:05 am  
Posted by: AquaeAtrae

 

Thanks jackeyjoe,

I know you're running a GTX 1080 there. What's your internal display resolution? Do you have the Time Spy upgrade to benchmark with? Either way, I'll see if I can layout a test for the internal display for ya.

Your link looks like the USB hub is still connected through the Thunderbolt cable (called "PCI Express x4 Bus #9"). Is this with the USB Type-B cable attached? If so, there may be some ASUS XG Station 2 setting that needs to be enabled.

   

Internal resolution is 4k. I don't have it but if it's free I'm more than happy to give it a spin.

 

My USB Peripherals and ethernet shows up through the USB controller in HWinfo64, not the thunderbolt controller. Maybe it switches over to there if I unplug the USB type-B cable?


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March 5, 2017 3:35 pm  

Thanks @jackeyjoe

3DMark's Time Spy, basic version is free. With it you'd need to manually set your display's resolutions before running it. We don't expect 4k resolutions to work too well on the internal screen (via Optimus over x2 lanes), but switching to 1080p and 1440p might show interesting results. I'd be curious to compare internal vs external at each resolution if you have the time to run the test 6 times.

Also, I'd be very interested to hear how Battlefield 1 performs on your rig if you can show up. It is currently a free-to-play weekend. It's one of the most intense 3D games I know of and runs in either DX11 or DX12.
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From how I'm reading your screenshot, I'm fairly sure that shows the Thunderbolt cable (called "PCI Express x4 Bus #9") between the motherboard and your USB hub. The ethernet and other peripherals then connect to it, but I don't think it's relieving the bandwidth yet as expected. Do you see any change in HWinfo when you unplug/plug the USB-B cable? Does Windows indicate new hardware?

When you do your testing, try to remove any USB devices or even temporarily disable that USB hub entirely from the Device Manager.

 


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March 8, 2017 9:00 am  
Posted by: AquaeAtrae

 

Thanks @jackeyjoe

3DMark's Time Spy, basic version is free. With it you'd need to manually set your display's resolutions before running it. We don't expect 4k resolutions to work too well on the internal screen (via Optimus over x2 lanes), but switching to 1080p and 1440p might show interesting results. I'd be curious to compare internal vs external at each resolution if you have the time to run the test 6 times.

Also, I'd be very interested to hear how Battlefield 1 performs on your rig if you can show up. It is currently a free-to-play weekend. It's one of the most intense 3D games I know of and runs in either DX11 or DX12.
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From how I'm reading your screenshot, I'm fairly sure that shows the Thunderbolt cable (called "PCI Express x4 Bus #9") between the motherboard and your USB hub. The ethernet and other peripherals then connect to it, but I don't think it's relieving the bandwidth yet as expected. Do you see any change in HWinfo when you unplug/plug the USB-B cable? Does Windows indicate new hardware?

When you do your testing, try to remove any USB devices or even temporarily disable that USB hub entirely from the Device Manager.

 

   

 

XG Station 2: Switched USB-B cable: USB controller vs Thunderbolt controller

 

Definitely runs off a USB when connected, and switches to the thunderbolt controller when not. All peripherals disconnect for a few seconds when you unplug the USB type B cable, and show up elsewhere in HWInfo after restarting it. Is that not enough proof that it's being routed outside of the thunderbolt connection?

 

I'm having driver issues with the 3DMark bench, it seems to be running off my internal GPU's if my scores are to be interpreted correctly. I did a bench of Rise of the Tomb Raider at 1080p and 4k on both screens though:

4k internal: 29.55 FPS

4k external: 38.42 FPS

1080p internal: 56.45 FPS

1080p external: 67.83 FPS

 

This was DX12 everything maxed but FXAA instead of SSAA x4 and vsync off.  For my use case (4k external) this puts me 5-7 FPS behind what reviewers are getting online(some don't state settings annoyingly), which is acceptable losses for me. I'll go through BF1 ASAP too, but it looks like running through the internal display leads to a hell of a performance drop. 


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March 8, 2017 8:18 pm  

Thanks @jackeyjoe

The only hwinfo I've seen (annotated here) seems to show the USB hub attached to the XG's Thunderbolt 3 Controller which is connected over the Thunderbolt 3 cable. The behavior you're describing suggests the hwinfo hierarchy should appear differently when the extra USB-B cable is added, which would make sense. I just don't see it in that screenshot you had provided. I'm guessing that shot was just taken without the extra USB cable.

 You can manually switch which GPU is used for 3Dmark using Nvidia Optimus. Here's a video showing the two ways to control this. Note: 3Dmark TimeSpy is extremely demanding so low FPS is to be expected with it.

For Tomb Raider, it looks like using the internal screen at 1080p resolution shows a 7% difference while the increased bandwidth of 4K resolution takes a more significant 23% hit. This seems sensible given the x2 lanes of PCI. At these maxed settings and their low FPS, both are losing just under 10 frames each second. For actual gaming on the internal screen, I'd recommend a lower resolution and settings that hover above 60 FPS, perhaps with an artificial frame limiter as @nando mentions in his OP. I suspect 1440p resolution would be comparable to the 1080p results if you compared those.

And thanks @nando, I'm looking forward to seeing the XG Station 2 listed in these Implementations. It's now been released in Australia and the Philipines, but not yet North America or Europe. I suspect it'll be one of the more interesting enclosures once it arrives.

 


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March 10, 2017 10:03 am  

This is my HWInfo64 screenshot when connected(has a keyboard, mouse, USB DAC and trackIR connected):

 

It is showing up under the USB controller, not through the thunderbolt connection. Obviously this changes when the USB port is disconnected. Does it make more sense now?

 


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March 10, 2017 7:32 pm  

Yes, that's exactly what we were expecting. Didn't see it in the previous screenshot. Thanks!

All of the XG Station 2's USB traffic is routed away from Thunderbolt 3. Connecting a USB 3 hard disk with all your games would enable a very nice gaming dock setup and free up the limited internal storage within a laptop.


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March 16, 2017 5:00 pm  

I live in Hong Kong. I bought XG2 with great hope to use it in my Macbook pro 13 late 2014. Of course, the XG 2 could be recgonised but the external GPU could not be recgonised under the Mac OS. No luck!

After Jackeyjoe's work, ASUS released the firmware some days ago. So, with the arrival of a TB3 notebook with Windows 10 a few days ago, I decided to try XG2 under a pure PC Windows 10 environment. My PC notebook is Vaio S11. It is available in Japan, but luckily my friend got it to me. I guess it is the cheapest TB3 PC notebook that I can get here to test the XG2. 

At first, I connected the XG2 station with the EVGA Nvidia 1050 (No Ti version). I installed the new Thunderbolt driver from Intel as instructed under another thread from Asus where Jackyjoe got the response there. No luck. The notebook recognised the XG2 but the external egpu was not recognised. I therefore downloaded the new firmware at that thread provided by ASUS and flashed the firmware of XG2.

Well, after flashing the firmware, I re-started the notebook, and connected the XG2. Oh, some strange things happened. The thunderbolt connection was ok, but the windows prompted that "The Thunderbolt Connection may not be working properly". When I clicked the thunderbolt icon, it still said that the external gpu was not supported. However, the icons of Nvidia Control Panel showed up. It proved that the 1050 card was recognised! So I run the Unigine and well, yes, the notebook recogised the 1050 card.

Here comes the screen shot.

And now, I plug the XG2 to my Macbook late 2014, with TB3-TB2 adaptor. I run the goalque's script. This time, the goalque script recognises the 1050 card. Of course, the Mac OS does not support Nvidia 10 series so it cannot be run in Mac OS. But it proves that after flashing the firmware, the GPU card in XG2 can finally be recognised under Mac OS 10.12. I shall find my Nvidia 980 later and test it under Mac OS again, and report the result in Mac OS side of this forum.  


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March 22, 2017 3:30 pm  
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    I'll go through BF1 ASAP too, but it looks like running through the internal display leads to a hell of a performance drop. 

@jackeyjoe What kind of experience are you getting in BF1 or other games you've tested?


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