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November 27, 2017 2:09 am  

Should this article update with new windows update?
I have Macbook Pro 2016 with Mantiz Venus + Aorus RX 580 8GB, after install Windows 1709, just need to disable PCIe 1905 and the setup work perfect.
Windows now work with or without eGPU, just simple boot, when I want to use eGPU, just plugged in the cable and restart the windows. Also there is no error or additional step when switch from Mac to Win or Win to Mac.
Thanks 1709 Windows update 😀
p/s: I am install windows 1709 directly from Bootcamp

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November 29, 2017 4:45 am  

Thank you for your guideline. It works on my laptop, my laptop is mid-2015 15'' macbook pro with amd m370x gpu, and i use aorus gaming box 1070, connect with TM3 to TM2 adapter. But still have some problem on windows and os x. when i connect egpu on windows, the light of box doesn't work, other function all work in windows. I don't know how to use internal display on macbook. This all the problems i meet.

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November 29, 2017 8:21 am  

Temporarily I can fix it by uninstalling the internal intel driver with DDU then Manually installing the intel driver again. This fixes the flashing but after playing a game or any graphics intensive task the driver crashes and the flashing beings again until you reinstall the driver ect... But this is not a great fix as it always crashes mid game and when in a competitive game it takes 5 min to get back up again. My 'current' solution is to save a GIF on the desktop and just run it in the background, this solution is not a fix but works perfectly. Alternatively if you use an external display the flashing doesn't occur. 

I can't hot plug my Aorus as I run my OS through an external SSD plugged into the Aorus. I understand bandwidth is lost to the USB ports but it looks a lot cleaner and is much easier to just plug in the thunderbolt 3 cable and have everything there.

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December 1, 2017 8:26 am  

MBP Mid 2017 + Akitio Node Thunderbolt 3 + GTX970 + Bootcamp/Windows 10 Setup

Hello,

I have managed to get my setup working in High Sierra. However, I have encountered some issues trying to implement this setup using Bootcamp/Windows. I believe I have followed all instructions correctly from the guide below.

When I first removed the intel drivers (from DDU) and plugged in the Node Windows recognized my GTX970. However, when it asked me to reboot I started encountering screen flickering/tearing issues and eventually crashes completely (I tried plugging in from reboot and plugging in after windows boots to desktop, both result in a crash).   I now believe I am up to to this part 

“The 13″ Touch Bar is slightly different in that it has one more Thunderbolt 3 controller to handle the two additional Thunderbolt 3 ports on the right side. Some have tried disabling the right Thunderbolt 3 port root and WiFi PCIe bridge with success on Touch Bar model.”

Does anybody know how to do this? I suppose disabling Thunderbolts ports inside device manager may well be the way to go, however, I am unsure where to do this from inside device manager. Would perhaps plugging in my Node into the right side of my MBP help? I tried doing this and it didn’t seem to fix the problem.  

Any advice would or troubleshooting methods would be greatly appreciated… 

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December 1, 2017 8:39 am  

My experience with Bootcamp has been a bit different to others but it sounds like you might be experiencing the same thing I did originally.

For Bootcamp all I needed/need to do is hot plug-  plugging the eGPU in after selecting the OS to boot from in the boot options menu you get when booting while holding down "option".

Plugging in before or after boot caused crashes for me. Set up in signature.

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December 1, 2017 10:56 am  

Wow thanks Eightarmedpet, it just managed to boot using your method. Any understanding why this is the case? :/ 

Edit: Stopped functioning again (Although now I can get the GTX970 to consistently show up in device manager). I believing I'm receiving the dreaded code 12 error. Also, Bluetooth and USB devices don't seem to work at all when connected to the 970. 

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December 2, 2017 3:56 am  

Edit: Working and fixed now, just required a bit of tinkering. 😀 Bluetooth is still dodgy but I guess that's to be expected. 

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December 3, 2017 2:59 am  

Yeah makes sense 😛 I don't know if anybody else has experienced it but the Wifi adapter also seems a bit dodgy when plugged into GPU (Almost disabling itself periodically). My plan to get around this is to try using an external USB wifi adapter. 

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December 3, 2017 5:17 am  

HI!

May I ask is it that I “must” disable dGPU and activate iGPU to get near full benefit of my gaming box 1080??
currently I did not disable any port yet on my macbook pro 2016 15″ pro 460, But mine gaming box is working both under MAC(10.12.6) and Bootcamp(win10) and both with external monitor.

but I use Unigine Valley for benchmark on ultra, and get a only near 1070 gaming box score, 3477.
less than a youtuber testing 1070 gaming box (he got 3570, though not with macbook pro).
and 2832 on MACOS.

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December 3, 2017 8:04 am  
Posted by: MagicPi

HI!

May I ask is it that I “must” disable dGPU and activate iGPU to get near full benefit of my gaming box 1080??
currently I did not disable any port yet on my macbook pro 2016 15″ pro 460, But mine gaming box is working both under MAC(10.12.6) and Bootcamp(win10) and both with external monitor.

but I use Unigine Valley for benchmark on ultra, and get a only near 1070 gaming box score, 3477.
less than a youtuber testing 1070 gaming box (he got 3570, though not with macbook pro).
and 2832 on MACOS.

Are you sure you are using the same preset (not quality), try to close all other apps

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December 3, 2017 9:09 am  

OK
You mean every other app?
and without USB on those ports??

I'll try it later and report back here~~  
thanks

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December 3, 2017 10:21 am  

the video I mention

I tried to match the settings,
AA off , 1080p, Ultra, Fullscre

but my score did not change.
still just got somewhere "near" his 1070 only

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December 3, 2017 10:52 am  

https://egpu.io/forums/news/gigabyte-aorus-gtx-1080-gaming-box-review-pocket-rocket/
according to this page the guy in the video get a close to 1080 gaming box score

but I test ultra settings in 1440p but I get a score slightly higher but close enough to the score in the page.

so maybe... my setup is OK?

but I think due to firmware 
when I use  Rise of the Tomb Raider to benchmark maybe due to the heavy load,
my mouse through usb port start to lag.

but it's not happening when I play OW in 2K 

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December 3, 2017 3:09 pm  

@MagicPi enjoy your eGPU and stop worrying about matching someone else benchmark numbers. The Thunderbolt 3 15" MacBook Pro is currently one of the best eGPU hosts. Paired with a GTX 1080 eGPU powering an external monitor, you can definitely get better performance than 1070 eGPU and 1070 dGPU most of the time.

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December 3, 2017 5:53 pm  

OK thanks  🙂
I did enjoy the performance , 
now running Overwatch in second high settings with some setting to low (ex. fog) and can get about 140~180 fps @2K 
(with dGPU Pro 460 and connect to the monitor, I have to set every thing to the lowest except something which is more CPU side.
and still just Got 120~160fps @2K with  "50% rendering" use 2K at least to get better display on the text)

and finally got my G-sync monitor powered up now!
So YES! I'm really happy with it, and thanks for all the support I've got here.

But I don't want to be like paying extra but get lesser performance then the 1070 ones,  
being just because I didn't done every thing right.
So I keep seeking for answers. 
(ex. do I have to disable dGPU top get the performance? or that's mainly for the need if driving internal monitor)

I've tried Tomb Raider , maybe the bandwidth thing,
My Mouse lags a lot. (but I use a Xbox one S BT controller so didn't really affect my game play)
This doesn't happen in Overwatch though.

For now... it's only working on external display,
and maybe I start to try the drive the internal display later on.

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My setup
if anyone want for reference.

Macbook pro 2016 15" / 2.6 GHz / upgrade to Pro460  [I did not disable any PCIE lanes under windows] Aorus GTX 1080 Gaming Box [connect to top right TB3 port] , but I did it with left top as well and works fine, just for organizing my desktop for now
ASUS ROG PG279Q 165hz G-Sync monitor (has a 2 port usb hub built in with a upstream(or down?) cable)

I connect the hub from monitor, and the 2 ports on it,
I've got a USB 2.0 Creative sound card, and another USB3.0 hub for 2 wireless mouse and wireless keyboard receiver.
(I did test the benchmarks without using those usb ports, similar results)

A Type C ethernet card  on bottom right port on my Macbook pro,
I'm getting a USB3.0 Ethernet card later to plug it into the usb ports behind the Gaming box
to achieve 1 cable solution.

In MacOS I use the method from [eGPU Enabler by Rastafabi] In Bootcamp windows,  What I remember is that I just plug it in, and got to Nvidia(link from the post) and Gigabyte's website to download and install every thing.
And it just work!

In CUDA-Z
I've got Host to Device
16xx MiB/s  under  MacOS 10.12.6
22xx MiB/s  under  Windows 10
(but I just realized that when I turn on CUDA-Z app, my mouse start to lag.
Maybe OW not taking full power, but DUDA-Z and Tomb Raider are.
Thats why I have no problem playing OW)
So.. maybe  waiting for firmware update, to stable the usb ports, but I know that might downgrade the performance a bit.
Or ... Drop the "One cable solution" thing and use another hub instead.

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Before finding out some eGPU have extra ports,
I was planning to get a TB3 dock and normal monitor.

And before getting my Gaming box,
everyday I came home from work, I have to plug in 4 cables!
(power, TypeC to ethernet, TypeC to DP, USB hub cable from monitor) 
And now down to 2 cables. 
 

Thanks again!!  🙂

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December 4, 2017 8:35 am  

One more thing..
I just noticed that it only charge my mac  under MACOS with 60W.
Not sure how to check it under windows so can not verify if it is a MacOS thing.

though.. with the eGPU,
the load of dGPU will be very low,
so 60W? not too big a deal.

 

 

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after several reboot and unplug for a while it get back to 100W charging under mac again

but still try to figure it out

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December 8, 2017 7:00 am  

HI
I just notice....
from tech support with my screen shots
My bootcamp is able to use the 1080 in gaming box now,
but the "Gigabyte graphics engine" app is not detecting the BOX itself..
I think my bootcamp just recognized the card and the ports.
so no OC or LED control.

did all you guys have the "box" detected??

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December 16, 2017 6:45 am  

Hate to hijack the thread, but is there any way to get things running WITHOUT apple_set_os.efi or using something like rEFInd or Clover? (I've a late-2016 15" rMBP)

I cannot use anything that changes things at the firmware level for security reasons.

My desired setup is simple - eGPU driving the external display and that's it. I've zero use for the internal display.

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December 16, 2017 8:35 am  

@jychua, Apple implemented the 'large memory' in the mid-2017 15" MBP which can then provide the simple bootup process without using Clover/rEFInd as shown at:

https://egpu.io/forums/builds/2017-macbook-pro-15-i7-3-1ghz-rp560-gtx-1080-ti32gbps-tb3-akitio-node-windows-10/

If a system upgrade is not possible/feasible, then consider booting apple_set_os.efi using a USB stick:

https://egpu.io/forums/pc-setup/how-to-keep-mbps-irisiris-pro-activated-when-booting-into-windows-boot-camp/

 

 

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December 16, 2017 8:55 am  
Posted by: nando4

 

If a system upgrade is not possible/feasible, then consider booting apple_set_os.efi using a USB stick:

https://egpu.io/forums/pc-setup/how-to-keep-mbps-irisiris-pro-activated-when-booting-into-windows-boot-camp/

 

 

Hi @nando4

I already submitted a suggestion to Apple via bugreport.apple.com to implement the large memory thing into late-2016 MBPs in a future firmware update. Let's hope Apple listens.

Also, as per the security reasons mentioned, I'm unable to load any custom EFI files that overrides Apple's EFI.

I guess I'm SOL given my situation. 

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December 18, 2017 8:58 am  

Hello, I am new to this website and need a little help. I have a mid-2017 15 Macbook pro and the Sonnet Breakaway Box and a 580. I have 2 questions if you could help. Do you need an external monitor to run the eGPU on Windows/Mac? and when I try and run it on MAC OS the graphics are showing up in my system info, but I'm not sure how to select it as my default graphics? Thanks

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December 18, 2017 7:34 pm  

Yes. You can can do your desired setup (which is also mine). I've done that with macbook PRO 15" late 2016 and Aorus Gamming Box GTX 1070. I've found that it is pretty easy: After installing Windows 10 via bootcamp assist, go directly to steps 3 and 4. After that you are good to go. At least until apple decide to support mac ePGU on bootcamp, I preffer this option because it does not disable your macbook discreet GPU. So, you do not have to rely on the crappy intel graphics when the eGPU is not connected. By the way, I tried an alternative option, where at the same time, we could have the internal discreet graphics drive the internal display and eGPU driving the eternal display. But I did not succeed.

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December 21, 2017 3:11 am  

I don't fully understand the impact of uninstalling the default AMD drivers. I am soon going to be setting up a Mantiz Venus with a 2017 15" "Large Memory" Macbook Pro. Is it still recommended for me to uninstall them?

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December 28, 2017 12:14 am  

It appears that I am unable to find PCIe Controller x16 – 1901 in Device Manager to disable to dGPU. I have a 13-inch MacBook Pro 2017 with no top Touch Bar. . I just got it yesterday fresh from the Apple Store.

Did I do something wrong? Help please!

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December 28, 2017 2:13 pm  

I could be mistaken, but I thought that disabling the PCIe Controller 1901 only applied to the 15", as that is the bridge to the dedicated graphics card, which the 13" model does not have. You may want to disable the connections to other devices, like the iSight camera or right-side Thunderbolt ports.

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December 28, 2017 2:29 pm  

Ah, I see. Thanks =)

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December 28, 2017 2:38 pm  

No problem, hope that helps.

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December 28, 2017 2:45 pm  
Posted by: dbuckingham

I don't fully understand the impact of uninstalling the default AMD drivers. I am soon going to be setting up a Mantiz Venus with a 2017 15" "Large Memory" Macbook Pro. Is it still recommended for me to uninstall them?

The Radeon Pro dGPU may cause conflicts when there's an AMD RX eGPU. DDU is also useful in disabling Windows automatic GPU driver installation.

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December 28, 2017 2:45 pm  

Thanks!

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December 29, 2017 7:41 pm  

Hi there! SO I am succesfully running an egpu and driving my intel graphics at the same time. But I just ran into an issue. I unplugged one of my thunderbolt 3 hubs on accident one day and now my internal macbook pro display sticks on the windows logo. My system recognizes the display is there but I cant display anything on it. Anyway to fix this?

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Posted by: Caleb Rasak

Hi there! SO I am succesfully running an egpu and driving my intel graphics at the same time. But I just ran into an issue. I unplugged one of my thunderbolt 3 hubs on accident one day and now my internal macbook pro display sticks on the windows logo. My system recognizes the display is there but I cant display anything on it. Anyway to fix this?

@caleb_rasak does this happen when you have eGPU attached and connected to an external monitor? You can force shut down a couple of times for Windows to go into Recovery mode and see if that helps.

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December 30, 2017 10:09 pm  

Man am I unlucky.

So I was on the rEFInd boot screen, but I wanted to go take a shower so I leave the computer on and leave. I come back and now I have a really annoying Windows 10 logo flickering on my screen. I turn off the eGPU but it still flickers, and it flickers on my OSX side, so now I have a windows logo flickering on both Windows and OSX. My eGPU has been working like a charm before this.

It's the windows logo when you boot up Windows 10 and the little circle loads, you know, the screen before the login part.

Please help my suffering.

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January 7, 2018 12:16 pm  

Thanks for the set up guide ! It works perfectly with the eGFX Breakway 350 and a GTX 1070ti.
I have just some suggestions. Is'it possible to add more details on boot procedure for each model ( 13" and 15" ) and for each if we want to use an external display ( for a higher H2D with Nvidia GPUs, boot without set_apple_os.efi ) or use the internal display ( need to run integrated.bat for a 15" and not needed for a 13" ).
After a child calcul it's just 4 case to describe it and i think it may be help a lot of persons 🙂 ( Sorry i'm french it's possibble to have a approximative english here 😉 )
PS : We can add a optional example when the user use a Clever Boot method.

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January 25, 2018 8:20 am  

I have a mid-2017 13" Macbook Pro with Touchbar. I bought a Power Color (Tul) Devilbox to use to BIOS mod each of the AMD GPU's in my mining rigs. I was pissed when booting it into Win10 Creators Update and it would hang at the Windows logo with artifacts everywhere. I found this tutorial, and having previously used rEFInd to triple boot another Macbook Pro, I found it pretty easy to follow, and the apple_set_os.efi at least allowed me to boot my system up while having the GPU attached to it by using the . I can also confirm that by disabling the "Thunderbolt" device with Hardware ID "PCIVEN_8086&DEV_15D2&SUBSYS_11112222&REV_02" and the 802.11ac Wifi device, I was able to rid myself of the Error 12 Yellow Exclamation over my GPU in device manager. I'm familiar with DDU, and I did boot Win10 into safemode and run it, but I'm not sure if it was absolutely necessary in my case. anyway, i hope this info helps someone else. I can successfully mine on a single GPU on my Mac under Win10, but that's not the goal. It's to be able to not take down my entire mining rig to mod my cards one at a time.

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