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nando4
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December 10, 2016 2:23 am  

►  eGPU laptop candidate list (Only Thunderbolt 3 and faster) 

wikipedia’s list of all TB3, TB2 and TB1 notebooks 

Dell Thunderbolt 3 40gbps data transfer rate (offical Dell 2/4-lane specs)

Asus TB3 notebook PCIe lane specs

 

Many TB2/TB1 notebooks can use TB3 enclosures

PC notebooks can use the US$49 Apple TB3-to-TB2 adapter to attach and use TB3 enclosures in Windows.

Apple notebooks can use the US$49 Apple TB3-to-TB2 adapter to attach and use TB3 enclosures in macOS. Note: some Macbooks (non retina GT650M/GT750M) cannot detect the eGPU booting Windows and so are on an experimental per case basis.

 

 Avoid these: their Thunderbolt ports run at half their rated speed

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Interface Peformance Reference TableDIY eGPU Setup 1.35


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December 18, 2016 3:49 pm  

Can someone confirm that the Acer Aspire V13 Nitro Edition V3-372T-5051 have TB3? Everywhere I go I see that it is only USB C 3.1. 


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December 22, 2016 4:59 am  

There is no Thunderbolt 3 version for the V13 Nitro. Whoever added it to the list, added it falsely or even Acer themselves aren’t mentioning it on purpose, which would be stupid. They are mentioning Thunderbolt for the V15 Nitro models for example ->  https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/NX.G6TAA.001

There is the Acer Travelmate though which also has Thunderbolt 3 and is near the cost of the V13, it’s just not that fancy looking. For example this one ->  https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/professional-model/NX.VCSAA.001 . There are lower specced models than the linked one for about 700€ which also have Thunderbolt 3.

Making a stop of undetermined duration in the no-eGPU land ;-)


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January 12, 2017 9:40 pm  

There is a nice compatibility list for Kanex Thunderbolt 3 adapter which can be used as a guide when choosing TB3 product.

This list also includes non laptop host.

  http://www.kanex.com/files/1501-Compatibility-List.pdf

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February 20, 2017 10:43 pm  

I just had this discussion somewhere else regarding how thunderbolt controller connects into motherboard: PCH or CPU, and some information may be useful to other people. The information below are found on internet, and reasoning is come up by myself, so they could be wrong, and I would appreciate any correction.

the significance of this is that the DMI link between PCH and CPU has limited bandwidth: basically 32GT/s for DMI 3.0 (Skylake and new ) and 20GT/s for DMI 2.0 (SandyBridge to Skylake), meanwhile other PCH-connected device are sharing this link. In some cases, this could be Thunderbolt, M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD(s), SATA Drive(s), WLAN, WWAN and Ethernet all connected to PCH and sharing the DMI bus, so congestions and/or latency could be introduced.

For Skylake HQ/HK, if a dGPU has x16 link to CPU, then TB can only be connected to PCH as the all available PCIe lanes are taken by dGPU already. If dGPU uses x8 link (or fewer), then it is possible (but not guaranteed) that TB controller is connected to CPU.

Reviews from notebookcheck.net (or .com) generally include GPU-Z screenshots, however I am not certain whether they do it with load or not. (GPU may use a reduced number of lanes in idle for power saving??)  With notebookcheck reviews, these laptops have GPU-Z screenshot showing x8 dGPU link: MBPr 15 2016, Alienware 17 R4, Alienware 15 R3 and Alienware 13 R3

For some other models, using “model number + GPU-Z” and/or “model number + HWINFO64” in Google may give some useful information. I do think the question of PCH or CPU connected is worth noting for choosing eGPU system.

 

Below is copied and pasted, and it may be helpful to certain individuals.

  1. Alienware 17 R4: Confirmed

HWINFO64 shows that the TB controller has a x4 link that connects to CPU directly without PCH. [1]

The JHL6340 controller is under “Intel Skylake – PCI Express x4 Controller [R0]” (, no PCH in its name), whereas certain other devices are under “Intel Skylake PCH-H – PCI Express Root Port #<x>”.

(Meanwhile, HWINFO64 shows that the dGPU has a x8 link, and this is a necessary but insufficient condition. How does this help? Because Intel ARK [2] shows that current Skylake HQ/HK CPUs have at most 16 PCIe lanes, so x8 link to dGPU would make room for TB3. )

(Also, as you asked about the steps for testing, I believe this could be a method)

  1. MacBook Pro 15-inch 2016: Suspicion 

I do NOT have directly evidence or screenshot showing it having a direct connection, but I have reasons to believe at least one of the 2 sets of TB3 is CPU connected, otherwise it won’t be able to drive two 5k monitors. Below is the reasoning. It would be great if a owner of this model can upload a screenshot of HWINFO64.

Let me start with listing all the small pieces

  1. Apple support page claims that MBPr 15 2016 can use two 5k monitor at the same time, and the connection has to be one for each side. [3]
  2. In reduced black timing, 5k@60Hz 24 bit per pixel content has a payload of 22.5 Gbps; two 5k monitors at such setting would have 45 Gbps of data flow.  [4]
  3. iFixit teardown shows that MBPr 15 2016 uses JHL 6540 Thunderbolt 3 controllers, one for each set. (TB ports on the same side, left/right, are in the same set and powered by the same controller) [5]
  4. Intel ARK shows that JHL 6540 has DisplayPort version of 1.2 [6]
  5. Wikipedia says that DisplayPort 1.2 (4-lane) has 17.28 Gbps of bandwidth [7]
  6. Wikipedia says that PCIe 3.0 x4 has a bandwidth of 32 GT/s, which is 31.5 Gbps with 128/130b encoding factored in . DMI 3.0 has the same bandwidth for CPU-PCH connection [8] [9]

OK, so here comes the reasoning: TB controller can only take video signal from either DisplayPort or PCI-Express. Since DP here is not sufficient to transmit even a single 5k signal (b,d,e), the 5k video has to go through PCIe 3.0 x4 link (b,f). If two 5k monitors work simultaneously (a, c), then the DMI 3.0 is not sufficient to transmit this signal (b,f). Therefore, the 2 TB controllers cannot be both connected to PCH.

[1] https://egpu.io/forums/pc-setup/alienware-17-r4-node-gtx-1070-egpu-sli/

[2] https://ark.intel.com/compare/88967,93341,88969,88970,93340,88972,93336

[3] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207448

[4] with  “xserver-xorg-core” package on ubuntu,  “cvt –reduced 5120 2880 60” gives a pixel clock of 938 million pixels per second; multiple by 24 bit per pixel gives the payload

[5] https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Touch+Bar+Teardown/73395

[6] http://ark.intel.com/products/94031/Intel-JHL6540-Thunderbolt-3-Controller

[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort

[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

[9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Media_Interface

 

 


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April 20, 2017 7:20 pm  

I would like to find a cheap ultrabook (thin) with intel quad core (with no discrete card if could be) and with TB3-CPU 4-lanes!! This would be awesome!!

early 2013 15" Macbook Pro Retina GT650M + GTX1080@10Gbps-TB1 (to be completed)


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I would like to find a cheap ultrabook (thin) with intel quad core (with no discrete card if could be) and with TB3-CPU 4-lanes!! This would be awesome!!   

I’ve been looking for this also, but ultrabooks all seem to all have the dual-core 7500U CPU as the highest option.  A 13.3″ or 14″ ultrabook or convertible with 7700HQ and onboard Intel graphics would be a great niche for people looking to use a eGPU.  If you find one that has TB3 please let me know!  Seems like whenever you get to 7700HQ, manufacturers all want to stick a dedicated graphics inside and then the power/heat is just too much for an ultrabook.

Razer Blade 14 might be the thinnest, lightest 7700HQ quad-core with full TB3 4-lanes enabled, but of course you pay the premium for it with the GTX1060 dedicated graphics.  MSI GS63 is also reasonably thin and light for a 15.6″.


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Posted by: darren

 

Posted by: ed_co

I would like to find a cheap ultrabook (thin) with intel quad core (with no discrete card if could be) and with TB3-CPU 4-lanes!! This would be awesome!!   

I’ve been looking for this also, but ultrabooks all seem to all have the dual-core 7500U CPU as the highest option.  A 13.3″ or 14″ ultrabook or convertible with 7700HQ and onboard Intel graphics would be a great niche for people looking to use a eGPU.  If you find one that has TB3 please let me know!  Seems like whenever you get to 7700HQ, manufacturers all want to stick a dedicated graphics inside and then the power/heat is just too much for an ultrabook.

Razer Blade 14 might be the thinnest, lightest 7700HQ quad-core with full TB3 4-lanes enabled, but of course you pay the premium for it with the GTX1060 dedicated graphics.  MSI GS63 is also reasonably thin and light for a 15.6″.

   

I asked, because I couldn’t find it ;). But if I find, I will let you know…

Both (Razer and MSI) are good options, but expensive. And both are pretty thin, but seriously the dedicated graphics make them fat, noisy and hot, and this is the thing that I am trying to avoid…

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April 22, 2017 8:27 am  

may be this list could help

LAPTOP with CPU 4-core and thunderbolt3 (work in progress…)

-Acer VN7-592g (1575 x4) tested with akitio node
-Acer VN7-792g (1575 x4)old drivers/firmware
-Acer VN7-593g (x4)
-Acer VN7-793g (x4)
-Acer Predator g5-593
-Acer Predator g5-793
-Acer Predator g9-592 (x4)old drivers/firmware
-Acer Predator g9-792 (x4)old drivers/firmware
-Acer Predator g9-593 (x4)
-Acer Predator g9-793 (x4)
-Alienware 13 (x4) tested with alienware graphic amplifier
-Alienware 15 (x4) tested with alienware graphic amplifier
-Alienware 17 (x4) tested with alienware graphic amplifier
-Aorus x5 V7
-Aorus x7 V7
-Apple MBP 15 2016 (x4) tested with razer core/akitio node/akitio thunder3/powercolor devilbox/asus xg station 2
-Asus UX501VW (1575 x4) tested with razer core/akitio thunder3
-Asus G501VW (1575 x4) tested with akitio thunder3
-Asus GL502VM skylake (x2) tested with asus xg station 2
-Asus GL502VM kabylake
-Asus GL702VT
-Asus GL702VM skylake (x2) tested with asus xg station 2
-Asus GL702VM kabylake
-Asus G752VT
-Asus G752VL tested with akitio node
-Asus G752VY
-Asus G752VM
-Asus G752VS
-Asus G701VI
-Clevo P750DM (x?) tested with razer core
-Clevo P770DM
-Clevo P870DM
-Clevo P750DM2-g (x4)
-Clevo P775DM3-g (x4)
-Clevo P870DM3-g (x4)
-Dell XPS 9550 (1575 x2) tested with razer core/akitio node/powercolor devilbox
-Dell XPS 9560 (x2) tested with razer core/asus xg station 2/powercolor devilbox
-Dell Latitude 5480 with 940m (x4)
-Dell Latitude 5570 with 930m (x4) tested with razer core
-Dell Latitude 5580 with 940mx(x4)
-Dell M3510 (x4)
-Dell M3520 (x4)
-Dell M5510 (x2)
-Dell M5520 (x2)
-Dell M7510 (1575 x4) tested with akitio node
-Dell M7520 (x4)
-Dell M7710 (x4) tested with razer core
-Dell M7720 (x4)
-Fujitsu Celsius H760
-Fujitsu Celsius H970
-Gigabyte P56xt

-Gigabyte Aero 14

-Gigabyte Aero15
-Hp Zbook G3 15 (x4) tested with razer core/akitio node
-Hp Zbook G3 17
-Hp Zbook G4 15
-Hp Zbook G4 17
-Lenovo Thinkpad P50 (x4) tested with akitio node
-Lenovo Thinkpad P51
-Lenovo Thinkpad P70
-Lenovo Thinkpad P71
-Lenovo IdeaPad Y900 (x4)
-Lenovo Ideapad Y910
-Lenovo Legion Y720
-Lenovo Yoga 720 15 (x2)
-MSI GS30 (pcie x16)
-MSI GS40 6QE Phantom (x?) tested with razer core
-MSI GS60 6QE Ghost Pro 4K
-MSI GS43VR 6RF(x?) tested with razer core
-MSI GS43VR 7RF
-MSI GS63VR 6RF(1575 x4) tested with razer core
-MSI GS63VR 7RF(x?) tested with asus xg station 2
-MSI GS63 7RE
-MSI WS63
-MSI GS73VR 6RF(x4) tested with razer core/asus xg station 2
-MSI GS73VR 7RF
-MSI GT72VR
-MSI GT73VR
-MSI GT83VR
-MSI 16L13/Eurocom Tornado F5
-Razer Blade (x4) tested with razer core/powercolor devilbox
-Razer Blade Pro (x4) tested with razer core/akitio node
-Samsung Odissey 17

without dgpu

-Hp zbook g3 studio 15 (x4) tested with akitio node

-Hp zbook g4 studio 15 (x?) 

 -Dell precision m7520 (x4) tested with Sonnet Breakaway Box 350

-Clevo N750HU (x?)

 

 

LAPTOP with CPU 2-core and thunderbolt3 (work in progress…)

-Acer Aspire Switch 12S
-Acer Aspire R13
-Apple MBP13 2016 (x4) tested with akitio node/akitio thunder3/powercolor devilbox/razer core/bizonbox3/mantiz venus
-Asus Trasformer 3 Pro (x?) tested with razer core/powercolor devilbox/akitio thunder3
-Asus Transformer 3
-Asus Zenbook 3 Deluxe UX490UA
-Clevo N130BU/ Santech LV4 (x?) tested with akitio node
-Dell xps 9350 (x2) tested with razer core/akitio node/akitio thunder3
-Dell xps 9360 (x2) tested with razer core/acer graphic dock
-Dell xps 9365 (x4) tested with akitio node/mantiz venus
-Dell Latitude 7275 (x4)
-Dell Latitude 7370 (x4)
-Dell Latitude 7280 (x4)
-Dell Latitude 7480 (x4)
-Hp Spectre x360 13 (x4) tested with razer core/akitio node/akitio thunder3
-HP Elitebook x360 13
-HP Spectre x360 15
-Lenovo Thinkpad x1 Carbon 2017 (x4)
-Lenovo Thinkpad T470
-Lenovo Yoga 720 13
-Razer Blade Stealth
-Toshiba Portégé X20W (x?) tested with mantiz venus

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April 22, 2017 8:48 am  

Thank you for the list!  You need to add a section at the top for models with 4-cores, TB3 and no dedicated graphics.  Maybe someone, somewhere at a manufacturer will notice how short this section is…

Saw the Razer Blade 14 and Dell XPS 15.  Both reasonably portable.  The GS63 is somewhat wider but similar.  The upcoming P51S looks like a possibility.  

The Dell XPS15 can be custom configured without dedicated GPU.  Unfortunately, Dell does not allow the option of the top CPU and higher memory on that version.

Someday when eGPU is more popular, one of the manufacturers will fill this niche.


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April 22, 2017 8:57 am  
Posted by: darren

 

Thank you for the list!  You need to add a section at the top for models with 4-cores, TB3 and no dedicated graphics.  Maybe someone, somewhere at a manufacturer will notice how short this section is…

Saw the Razer Blade 14 and Dell XPS 15.  Both reasonably portable.  The GS63 is somewhat wider but similar.  The upcoming P51S looks like a possibility.  

The Dell XPS15 can be custom configured without dedicated GPU.  Unfortunately, Dell does not allow the option of the top CPU and higher memory on that version.

Someday when eGPU is more popular, one of the manufacturers will fill this niche.

   

what model without dgpu? i know only hp g3 studio 🙂


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April 22, 2017 9:00 am  

It’s the $999 USA spec custom configuration model.  Best CPU is i5-7300HQ (optional) with 8GB RAM:

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-15-9560-laptop/dncwxb1637sv2

Intel 620 is standard on this version, GTX1050 is optional

I think memory and hard drive could be upgraded manually if the i5-7300 is sufficient.

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It’s the $999 USA spec custom configuration model.  Best CPU is i5-7300HQ (optional) with 8GB RAM:

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-15-9560-laptop/dncwxb1637sv2

Intel 620 is standard on this version, GTX1050 is optional

I think memory and hard drive could be upgraded manually if the i5-7300 is sufficient.

   

you can choose hd620 only with i3-7100h


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April 22, 2017 9:12 am  

My mistake, I didn’t actually try to use the configurator, I didn’t notice it forced you to add the GTX1050 if you selected the optional $100 i5-7300, sorry!

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April 22, 2017 9:14 am  
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For me it shows i5-7300HQ as a $100 option.

   

yes i know but when i choose i5-7300hq with hd620

The Processor you have selected is incompatible with this Video Card.


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April 22, 2017 9:17 am  

Too bad for Dell 🙁  I would buy i7 version with FHD and Intel 620 graphics

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April 22, 2017 9:29 am  

Yeah, 4 core, thin (ultrabook), and not dedicated graphics, it should be the perfect combination… (apart from being “macOS friendly”, as I want to keep in mac too).

But I haven’t seen something that I like. The XPS 15″, if had 4 lanes, is not too bad option…

Cheers guys

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April 26, 2017 12:22 pm  

A good question, just if someone knows. There is any laptop (except mbp 15″2016) that  has TB3-CPU and not TB3-PCH?

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Posted by: ed_co

 

Yeah, 4 core, thin (ultrabook), and not dedicated graphics, it should be the perfect combination… (apart from being “macOS friendly”, as I want to keep in mac too).

But I haven’t seen something that I like. The XPS 15″, if had 4 lanes, is not too bad option…

Cheers guys

   

you could consider a dell latitude 5570, 5480 or 5580 with a x4 tb3 and i7-6820hq+930/i7-7820hq+940

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April 26, 2017 7:57 pm  

@sicily428, thanks for the info. But uffff, too thick!! No premium quality…

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May 3, 2017 12:00 am  

Asus GL502VM skylake (x2) tested with asus xg station

Does it work full load? It has 2JHL6240 thunderbolt controller.


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Asus GL502VM skylake (x2) tested with asus xg station

Does it work full load? It has 2JHL6240 thunderbolt controller.

   

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?91068-GL502VM-XG-Station-2-is-a-GO


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May 3, 2017 2:56 am  

There is no info except of the hype of buying new gadget 


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There is no info except of the hype of buying new gadget 

   

i don’t have this laptop but i read some infos on nbr. here a post with that infos.

https://egpu.io/forums/pc-setup/asus-gl502vm-xg-station-2-gtx1080-works/

 


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May 3, 2017 3:10 am  

checked the post of this guy. XG station doesn’t work properly with JHL6240. Looks like a scam from ASUS

PROOF (#3):

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?91426-ASUS-ROG-XG-Station-2-to-stop-throttling-on-GL702VM-!&p=635958&viewfull=1#post635958


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August 22, 2017 5:39 pm  

there is a new clevo N751HU (or N750HU black)  with Thunderbolt3 port.

It has a i5-7300HQ/i7-7700hq, up to 32gb ddr4ram,  and IGPU

http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=1041&lang=en

http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=1042&lang=en

 

Key feature

  • 7th Generation Intel® Core™ processor
  • Expandable DDR4 memory up to 32GB (depends on RAM module)
  • ODD design
  • Support Caddy Bay
  • White-LED illuminated keyboard (option)
  • One USB 3.0 port or (option) Thunderbolt 3 combo port support eGPU Box (Type C)
  • M.2 LTE or UMTS/HSPA+

 

https://laptopparts4less.frl/Clevo-N750HU-Kaby-Lake-office-laptop-samenstellen

 

http://www.clevo-europe.com/default_zone/fr/html/Prod_Buy.php?product=EI7HU-N750HU

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August 28, 2017 12:21 pm  

I’ve an acer vn7-591g, would i be able to connect a akitio note to my computer with a thunderbolt 3.0 cable ?!


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September 9, 2017 2:10 am  

clevo is using new 4-core Intel coffee lake i5-8250u and  i7-8550u for N130

http://www.santech.eu/lv4-series

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September 9, 2017 9:35 am  

there is a new aero 14 with a gtx105ti and thunderbolt3 port

https://www.gigabyte.com/Laptop/AERO-14–GTX-1050-Ti#kf

 

  • 3 Colors Available: Green, Orange, and Black*
  • Stunning Graphics with NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1050 Ti GDDR5 4GB
  • 7th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-7700HQ processor
  • 94 Wh Huge Battery Capacity for Full-Day Productivity
  • X-Rite™ Pantone® Color Calibration Certified
  • Only 1.9cm slim, 1.89Kg Lightweight
  • 2x Blazing-fast M.2 PCIe Gen.3 X4 SSDs (Optional)
  • Thunderbolt™ 3: Up to 40Gbps
  • HDMI 2.0 + mini DP + Thunderbolt™ 3: 4k Output Made Easy
  • QHD IPS Display with Wide Viewing Angle
  • Unique Aesthetics with All Aluminum Robust Body
  • Slim and Light Adapter with USB Charging Port
  • DDR4 2400MHz –Up to 32GB
  • Dolby Digital Plus Home Theater

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September 10, 2017 3:41 am  

Hi Guys, what do you think about the new ASUS Vivobook N580VD-DB74T?

http://store.asus.com/us/item/201707AM210000002/A17602-ASUS+Vivobook+N580VD-DB74T+15.6-inch+FDH+Touchscreen%2C+GTX+1050%2C+Intel+Core+i7%2C+512+GB+SSD%2C+16GB+DDR4%2C+Windows+10

It has  Intel Core i7 7700HQ Kaby Lake processor, 16Gb RAM and nice build. Do someone know if its TB3 has 4 lanes?

 


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