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I saw another user's implementation (GTX 670 using a modified 8 pin to dual 6 pin connector) and I wonder if there has to be some load detected on the +2 pin? Perhaps simply shorting it isn't sufficient for the PSU to trigger. Perhaps is there a way to hack together an 8 pin to single 6 pin connector, which would be able to put a load on the +2 pin.

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I saw another user's implementation (GTX 670 using a modified 8 pin to dual 6 pin connector) and I wonder if there has to be some load detected on the +2 pin? Perhaps simply shorting it isn't sufficient for the PSU to trigger. Perhaps is there a way to hack together an 8 pin to single 6 pin connector, which would be able to put a load on the +2 pin.

That was likely my GTX670 attempt. I suggested the same thing there: Connecting the extra ground pins to the existing ones (since grounding a ground pin is not likely to do much). That said, some 6-pin cards do work, as do some cards without power plugs at all, so it is not entirely clear if that will solve the issue or not, or where the issue even lies.

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I would like to add my findings when testing with a MSI GTX 1050 (no power connector) and Asus STRIX GTX 970. It does not seem like the 8-pin power connector affects whether the card functions or not, because I was able to get the GTX 970 working with 8-pin, 6-pin and no pins connected to power. The GTX 1050 would not work at all. I took some current measurements and tried drawing power from the 12v rail with resistors and that did not power on the card either.

It seems like there is some firmware or connector configuration that is preventing certain cards from being recognized.

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Posted by: itsage

I need some help with grounding the spare 2-pin from the AORUS Gaming Box's PCIe 6+2 pin power cable. This enclosure seems to check for an 8-pin GPU. The Radeon RX 580 Mini ITX card I found only has a 6-pin connector. I've tried shorting the spare 2-pin together similar to the Dell DA-2 PSU trick. The AORUS Gaming Box does not light up when plugged into a computer. Power Delivery is the thing functional.

This RX 580 Mini ITX is a very tight fit. The graphics card's PCB is probably 2mm from touching the 24-pin power connector. It looks very nice installed inside this AORUS Gaming Box.

gigabyte aorus gaming box rx 580 mini itx close up
gigabyte aorus gaming box rx 580 mini itx 6 pin 2 pin

It might more tricky that that, I couldn't make my MSI RX 560 Aero ITX 4 Go OC working on an AORUS GTX 1070 enclosure. Also no luck with the sapphire 570 ITX (found this thread after buying it, hopefully used).

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Solution is to directly apply 12v from the rail to the slot (or do this on the gpu itself). In my case with the HP rx580, it was due to half the vrms being powered by the 6 pin and the other half by the pcie slot. However, since only half the vrms are powered by the 6 pin initially, the gpu does not send the signal to the AGB to activate power for the rest of the vrms. Result is no boot.

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Posted by: Dope

Solution is to directly apply 12v from the rail to the slot (or do this on the gpu itself). In my case with the HP rx580, it was due to half the vrms being powered by the 6 pin and the other half by the pcie slot. However, since only half the vrms are powered by the 6 pin initially, the gpu does not send the signal to the AGB to activate power for the rest of the vrms. Result is no boot.

how could I do that? could you give me a picture or video to help me. I really want to fix this issue. thank you.

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I just came across this forum, I am on the same boat. I have a hp rx580 4gb oem with the aorus gaming box and it does not power on. Can you make a tutorial. 🙂

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Hey Dope, i too am interested on how you got rx580 working with agb. I did see another post where you said you jumped x16 present to x8 present, but not entirely sure what you meant.

My current setup is a zotac 1070 mini(6+2 pin) and it seems to only work under certain conditions:

*Basically having everything connected, except for gpu not in pcie slot.
*plug in thunderbolt cable to laptop.
*plug in power cable to outlet.
*when agb has been detected (lights and fans come on), we can now plug the gpu to pcie slot.
*Done

Only problem is i have to repeat this process whenever i restart or turn off laptop.😂

I feel that your implementation might be a workaround to my problem.

Thanks!

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Come on buddy, share how ya did it for others to follow... I have a spare 570 kicking about and have been hunting down one of these enclosures for it.

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@nando4 Can you comment on the steps @dope did to jump start the AORUS main board?

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@dope bump! it seems everyone have hard time to figure out what you did, could you help us on this?

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Posted by: itsage

@nando4 Can you comment on the steps @dope did to jump start the AORUS main board?

He is directly powering the video card with 12V. If wanting to do this without soldering on the video card or Gaming Box, avoid using a PCIe riser with the only impact being raising the video card slightly then  do the following. Though note: valuable only if can jumper ON the Gaming Box PSU to supply the needed 12V. Didn’t you had some problems getting the PSU on when using non-factory video cards? That would then be the root cause of the problem.

 

1. Acquire a US$3.50 PCIe slot extender

2. Find 12V (usually yellow) and GND (usually black) on the AORUS PSU cabling and route it to the 12V and GND pin on the PCIe slot extender (eg: side B pin 1,2 & 4). You’d be soldering some wiring onto the PCIe slot extender.  Here’s a pinout reference for the PCIe slot extender. It says x1 slot, but the top part above the mechanical key containing the power wiring is the same as for a x16 slot.

 

3. Attach video card + PCIe slot extender into the AORUS Gaming Box.

 

4. Attach the Gaming Box to a host system, power it up and test.

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Has anybody tried to power up AMD Vega 56 nano with AORUS Gaming Box? It looks like the most compact and powerful solution for macOS devices... if it works of course. )

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Posted by: CodeByte

Has anybody tried power up AMD Vega 56 nano with AORUS Gaming Box? It looks like the most compact and powerful solution for macOS devices... if it works of course. )

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Hi all, I just got a gigabyte aorus 1070 not knowing that mac does not support nvida (i'm so retarted) but got it for a very good price so i said why not, anyways if I understood the enclosure of the aorus wouldn't work with a Sapphire Radeon RX 570 PULSE ITX correct ?

thank you very much for your help

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kqube
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You can make it work with the nvidia 1070, it's just not out of the box:

https://egpu.io/forums/mac-setup/script-enable-egpu-on-tb1-2-macs-on-macos-10-13-4/

You can swap the card, but make sure to use a model reported to be compatible, even so, I wouldn't expect a 100% chance to see work, the enclosure is tightly coupled to the models cards it's been designed for, using the patching above is the safest way IMHO.

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Thank you for your reply @kqube, I tried that out and it started to work in macOS but i have a small issue, when i turn on my mac all 3 displays work (mac display and 2 displays connected to the 1070, but as soon as i log in and the mac display starts to use the Radeon  pro 560x the and turns gray but the other 2 still work, as soon as i try and shut down and all apps close before the mac shuts down it switches to intel HD and comes back again for a split second, i have attached a screenshot  https://ibb.co/hcueqf

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Sorry for late reply..

 

The issue, specific to the gpu (the hp rx580 4gb, and also recently confirm by me, the dell rx580 8gb) that itsage and I were trying to get working, was due to the power requirements that the cards needed. 

 

The AGB requires a hand shake (maybe pice presence or good power presence on the pcie slot) with the gpu in order to supply power to the slot. I think this is the issue most of you are facing.

 

All cards are built different but they should operate the same. GPUs are like stand alone computers, you need power to supply the vrms for the boot up chip and then power to feed the cpu and the ram. Without power to the boot up chip, power to the cpu and ram is pointless. 

 

Some cards have the vrms for the boot up chip tided directly into the pcie slot power and then take from the 6/8 pin for everything else. Some take it all from the 6/8 pin and nothing from the slot. Some do it all from the slot. Each card is different, but if you cannot supply power to the boot up chip, no hand shake is made and I think this is the reason for all of our troubles with the AGB (at least for swapping cards). 

 

For the specific rx580 I was working with, half the vrms were powered by the 6/8 pin and the other half was powered by the slot. Since the AGB did not power the slot, the card could not power up the boot chip to send the signal for the handshake. To fix this, I needed to power up the rest of the vrms, even just temporarily, so that it can make the handshake.  In the end, I taped off the pins on the card that takes 12v from the slot and powered the entire card directly from the 8 pin by joining both 12v rails. Reason for this is because I didn’t want to overdraw or burn out the AGB motherboard in the long run. I’d rather replace the psu. 

 

Bottom line here is that the AGB needs a signal to supply the slot with power. That signal comes from the GPU but it cannot supply that signal without power (endless loop). I’m sure there’s a way to bypass this with a resistor on the slot but I have not had time to figure it out. One day I will rig it to have an on and off switch so that I can use the AGB with the gpu and without the gpu without having to remove the card as it’s my main docking station and sometime I don’t need the gpu or the loud fans. 

 

I hope this helps. 

 

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@Dope, thank you for your reply. Would you mind practically outlining what you did with photos in a step-by-step manner. This will help others replicate your pioneering findings.

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@Dope thank you very much for your reply, i really appreciate it,

so just if i understood correctly the Gigabyte gaming box wouldn't work with a graphics card that is 6pin,

but if i where to use this card which is 8 pin would it work ? ASUS-R9-NANO-4GB or any other R9 NANO as long as it has 8 pins ?

Thank you again

Kind Regards,

Matthew

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It's not 6 or 8 pins, it's how the card is built. The simplest way is to try.

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Posted by: chx

It's not 6 or 8 pins, it's how the card is built. The simplest way is to try.

This is true. The PSU and controller has no idea how the card is receiving its' 12v bus power. The two original 12v busses the factory power supply has are internally bridged into one big 12v bus anyhow. All negative/sense PCIE wires are connected in parallel to the same ground bus in the PSU. 

Has anyone tried manually tripping the PWR_ON pin on the 24pin connector to see if a non-compatible GPU becomes magically compatible? 😉

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Do you guys happen to know if you can use a RX580 Gaming Box and swap an NVidia Cards or the Gaming Box are different depending of the original card that was in it?

I have an RX580 gaming box, maybe I want to put an nvidia card in it...

Thanks!

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Hey folks, likely encountering a similar issue with a GV-N2070IX-8GC (2070 Mini from Gigabyte.) 

Overall Edit: Have this working, image and walkthrough below.

Prior Edit #1: I tried the other method @dope mentions on another thread about "jump 16x pcie present to 8x pcie" basically since the Aorus Box isn't a full 16x, the present pin might not be tripped. This is well explained in the second link under "Shorting Pins for 'Presence Detection.'" This has an effect. I managed to stop my current 750 GT from loading if set to 1x, then it sort of slow loads it when set to 4x, but no effect if doing the proper 8X for the 2070. Going to forge ahead with the other method when I have the spare cabling. 
https://egpu.io/forums/gpu-monitor-peripherals/aorus-gaming-box-what-gpus-do-work-and-which-ones-do-not/paged/2/
http://blog.zorinaq.com/whitepixel-breaks-286-billion-passwordsec/

Prior Edit #2 learned more PCIE spec and found an example at the link below of the basic idea.
https://forums.overclockers.com.au/threads/soldering-6-pin-connector-to-gfx-card.1178384/

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Now that there is 2070 Box announced this is a bit unnecessary but might help with other setups.

Parts:
1. Grabbed a PCIE 16x powered riser meant for mining. ~10$
2. An ATX extender cable. ~10$
3. Spare Molex adapter. ~2$

Process:
1. Unwired a ground and 12v totally from the ATX extender.
2. Added the female molex connectors to the 12v and ground.
3. Hooked up to the 16x extender. All 12v connections are replaced by direct connection from the ATX. 

I'm going to clean this up by removing the riser ribbon but need to work on my soldering. That said, 2070 Mini working well, slightly more powerful than the 750 GT.

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Hi Everybody.  I had a bit of a hard time understanding all the information in this thread so I thought I would do a more in-depth tutorial, including an easy $0 cost, solder free fix.

Problem: The Arorus Gaming Box (AGB) does not supply power to the PCIE slot until it receives a power signal from the graphics card on Pin 1.  On all the Gigabyte cards, power is sent to the graphics card either through Pin 3 on the pcie slot, or the external 6 or 8 pin connector on the graphics card.  The cards are built in a way that once they receive this power, pin 1 on the graphics card will activate and send the signal "hey, I'm here".  Unfortunately this is not how every graphics card is built.  Some graphics cards need power to pin 1 to initially boot up, so they wont work in the AGB because the card is waiting for power on pin 1 to start and the AGB board is wiating for power from the card on pin 1).  Its an old fashioned standoff, with each component waiting for the other.  Please note that your card having a 6, 8 or 0 pin external connection up top does not matter at all.  It all depends on how your graphics cards motherboard is wired.

This could easily be fixed through the AGB motherboard firmware but dont count on Gigabyte to ever update it because they have no reason to, as all their cards are built to work the way it currently is.  You could buy a proper EGPU of course, which arnt made this way, and just start supplying power to pin 1 right away but of course we all want to use the AGB because its CHEAP compared to other Egpus that offer 65+W power delivery.  So plug your card in and see.  If you get lucky, your card will turn on because it works similar to the Gigabyte cards, otherwise see below for the fix if you plugged your card in and the AGB wont power up (Leds on)

Solution:  The fix is simply to apply 12v power to Pin 1 on the PCIE slot directly from the power supply, bypassing the AGB motherboards limitation.

This can be done by inserting a wire into the 1st hole of the PCIE slot, right in front of pin1 and connecting that wire to one of the 12v lines from the power supply.  This will NOT block the slot so you can still plug in your graphics card.  To get the 12V wire out of the AGB power supply, simply grab it with some flathead pliers and pull it out.  If youre lucky, it will pop out with the metal connector still attached.  Then you just plug in your wire into the metal connector and youre done.  You can solder if you want but its not even needed.  Just wrap it in electrical tape or a heatshrink tube.  Please see my pictures below.

Pulling the cable from the power supply:

Inserting my wire.  Make sure you use a small enough gauge to fit in the hole.

Now its just ready to be connected here.  You can just push your wire into the metal slot of the wire you pulled or throw some solder on for a stronger connection (But you dont need to solder).  Wrap it in electrical tape afterwards.

The final product, working great.  I have some yellow heat shrink which I'm going to slip over and heat up, but you can use electrical tape as well.  For reference, this card is a Zotac Geforce 1660 TI (Mini not Amped) card.  The box is the AGB 1080 model.

For reference here is an ATX power supply pinout.  You'll see I pulled from pin 11, but you could pull from pin 10 too, as long as its 12v.

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@007craft Excellent tutorial! Thank you very much for the clear instructions and photos.

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This is fascinating, I would love to see an 1050 Ti tested in this... 
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I could only suppose that the box pcb do not see enough load, even with the other 2 ground pin connected to the ground plane.

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