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There’s not much of a difference between the new dGPUs and GTX 1080 eGPUs when gaming on the internal display anymore. Even going to a 2080 will probably only give you a 40% increase. 

It seems like we’re past the days where an eGPU would have boosted internal display gaming by 3x or more. The bandwidth is just not there. 

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At native resolution in World of Warcraft dx12 with maximum quality and CMAA I get 50-60 fps outside a city (16 inch 8GB VRAM). My enclosure isn’t here yet but I’ll update in 2 weeks or so. What fps do people see with egpu?

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Radeon drivers are bad for newly released GPUs. This has been the case for many years. Their recent lack of eGPU optimization of these drivers makes it worse.

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One advantage you will still get is lowering your laptop temps by offloading graphics. For sustained gameplay this may actually boost performance by reducing thermal throttling.

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Black Ops 4 max settings is giving me around 50 FPS max settings with the eGPU. My 5500m 8gb dGPU is giving me around 40 FPS max settings. I’m running this game at the Mac’s native resolution, so there’s a lot of bandwidth usage for this display. 

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I would consider that 10fps to be a significant difference especially because you're taking the load and heat off the board but that's just me. I think a better title for this thread would be that dGPUs are becoming better but you will always be gated by heat. Try running a first person shooter at 200+ FPS and not frying your motherboard.

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Posted by: @tsh3721

I would consider that 10fps to be a significant difference especially because you're taking the load and heat off the board but that's just me. I think a better title for this thread would be that dGPUs are becoming better but you will always be gated by heat. Try running a first person shooter at 200+ FPS and not frying your motherboard.

Frying a motherboard is just something that doesn’t happen. 

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Posted by: @alec
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I would consider that 10fps to be a significant difference especially because you're taking the load and heat off the board but that's just me. I think a better title for this thread would be that dGPUs are becoming better but you will always be gated by heat. Try running a first person shooter at 200+ FPS and not frying your motherboard.

Frying a motherboard is just something that doesn’t happen. 

I've destroyed multiple notebooks due to repeated gaming on the dGPU. At least 3+ (two dells, one MBP). Trust me it happens. Maybe "frying the motherboard" is the wrong term but since the dGPU is soldered to it that's why I called it that.

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I would consider that 10fps to be a significant difference especially because you're taking the load and heat off the board but that's just me. I think a better title for this thread would be that dGPUs are becoming better but you will always be gated by heat. Try running a first person shooter at 200+ FPS and not frying your motherboard.

Frying a motherboard is just something that doesn’t happen. 

I've destroyed multiple notebooks due to repeated gaming on the dGPU. At least 3+ (two dells, one MBP). Trust me it happens. Maybe "frying the motherboard" is the wrong term but since the dGPU is soldered to it that's why I called it that.

Over what time period though?

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All the way up until 2018. My last MBP was the 2015 MBP and it died from gaming on the dGPU. Apple gave me a brand new 2018 MBP because of it. Luckily it was under warranty. But I do not advise relying on dGPU for anything other than productivity / regular notebook activities. Furthermore, consider that if you live somewhere in a warm area where it gets hot in the summer and you enjoy using your notebook outdoors, this will also hurt the dGPU (in my experience). If you don't have air conditioning and your apartment gets 80 degrees F or more your dGPU is going to throttle, as will your CPU. 

Last year my 2015 MBP would throttle even when trying to stream 1080 p video and it was 75 degrees in my apartment.

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Posted by: @tsh3721

All the way up until 2018. My last MBP was the 2015 MBP and it died from gaming on the dGPU. Apple gave me a brand new 2018 MBP because of it. Luckily it was under warranty. But I do not advise relying on dGPU for anything other than productivity / regular notebook activities. Furthermore, consider that if you live somewhere in a warm area where it gets hot in the summer and you enjoy using your notebook outdoors, this will also hurt the dGPU (in my experience). If you don't have air conditioning and your apartment gets 80 degrees F or more your dGPU is going to throttle, as will your CPU. 

Last year my 2015 MBP would throttle even when trying to stream 1080 p video and it was 75 degrees in my apartment.

Repairing a 3 year old Mac at the store would probably cost the same as an eGPU. 

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The reason they gave me a free 2018 was the repair to the 2015 was something like $1,500. It destroys the entire mainboard. At least with the eGPU you can keep it, use it with other machines and it will work no matter what and won't ruin the performance of your whole Mac. What if you need the Mac for freelance work and you make $50-75 an hour? Ruining the Mac and wasting your time will cost you more than even the repair.

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Posted by: @tsh3721

The reason they gave me a free 2018 was the repair to the 2015 was something like $1,500. It destroys the entire mainboard. At least with the eGPU you can keep it, use it with other machines and it will work no matter what and won't ruin the performance of your whole Mac. What if you need the Mac for freelance work and you make $50-75 an hour? Ruining the Mac and wasting your time will cost you more than even the repair.

There's also AppleCare to extend the warranty to 3 years.

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Posted by: @tsh3721
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I would consider that 10fps to be a significant difference especially because you're taking the load and heat off the board but that's just me. I think a better title for this thread would be that dGPUs are becoming better but you will always be gated by heat. Try running a first person shooter at 200+ FPS and not frying your motherboard.

Frying a motherboard is just something that doesn’t happen. 

I've destroyed multiple notebooks due to repeated gaming on the dGPU. At least 3+ (two dells, one MBP). Trust me it happens. Maybe "frying the motherboard" is the wrong term but since the dGPU is soldered to it that's why I called it that.

That's super odd. I beat the living snot out of my 2014 Razer Blade 14 that had an 870M. 1000's of hours of gaming, it ran pretty toasty. Never had one issue with it over the 3 years I used it very heavily.

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