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February 28, 2017 11:08 am  

Thanks Enjoy for your answer!

To be honest, I am not sure what to do. That is a huge performance hit, I did not experience the same with my GTX 970 (compared to a friend on mine who has it on Desktop PC), and while mine being a bit underperformed, there was not 20% off cut, by far.

This makes me wonder if I better sell my setup to someone interested and go for a desktop PC!

Another possibility is to try with the GTX 1070 and see if it is worth it. 

Also, thanks for commenting on the PSU. It is somehow strange that they do not specify that and just give that number for the GPU.

 


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February 28, 2017 11:43 am  

@Piqudo Yes with your 970 you will have 10-15% performance drop not 20-25 like with 1070, its because the more FPS you get the more Bandwidth you will have and the limit of Thunderbolt2 (16Gbps) will told its word!

You must try it with 1070 before you go to desktop pc IMO 🙂 I think you will be happy because all we want laptop + MINI eGPU 🙂

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February 28, 2017 12:57 pm  

Okay! Thanks for your assistance.

I will check in detail if I go for the ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1070 Mini 8GB or the Gigabyte GeForce® GTX 1070 Mini ITX OC 8G, as in the short term I will not be able to cut the Akitio cover, so any of both I use will be standing just on the base. May I ask who made the build with the ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1070 Mini 8GB that you shown on this topic's first post? 

I will also see how I can transform my PSU from 6 to 8 pins, given I already have everything set up to power up de Akitio as well.

And you are right, laptop + eGPU rocks! 😀


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February 28, 2017 1:29 pm  

The thread is here:  https://egpu.io/forums/builds/macbook-pro-2016-tb3-akitio-thunder-3-case-mod-zotac-1080/

You must get Gigabyte GeForce® GTX 1070 Mini ITX OC 8G because with ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1070 Mini 8GB you will need to remove the fan and remove the metal part where the fan is!

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February 28, 2017 8:57 pm  
Posted by: enjoy

 

@DBLR - This cable comes with 8 pin female for DELL DA-2 and 6 pin male for the video card and 5.5 x 2.5 male for the AKiTiO!

   

Thanks for the information. The cords are working and my setup is recognized through my computer...I just need to fix this code 12....on my 2016 15" MBP 


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March 1, 2017 11:55 am  
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Thanks for the information. The cords are working and my setup is recognized through my computer...I just need to fix this code 12....on my 2016 15" MBP 

   

apple_set_os.efi is the number one to fix code 12:

https://egpu.io/forums/mac-setup/2016-macbook-pro-solving-egpu-error-12-in-windows-10/

You must follow this thread with all steps:  https://egpu.io/forums/builds/internal-display-works-on-amd-2016-macbooks/

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March 4, 2017 7:42 pm  

I'm using Thunder 3 with 1050 TI SC with the out of the box 72W power brick.

I was stress testing with Rise of Tomb Raider for a few hours, solid performance, 50FPS at high settings using laptop screen.

Was wondering what kind of effect a more powerful adapter has? Does it cause performance increase? Does it help with charge over usb c connection? The Akitio box gets pretty hot already with demanding games, would it make the case even hotter?

Please let me know if you have any experience with these questions.


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March 5, 2017 12:06 pm  

@bookatechie:

Posted by: enjoy

 

Posted by: Raphax

 

Note: ZOTAC 1050TI work with default akitio thunder3 power supply! 😀

   

Yes, i know but to prevent Blue screens etc, i recommend 120W AC Adapter Charger (£23) or eFreesia 12V 10A 120W ($22) 🙂

  • Zotac 1050TI - Power Consumption 75W
  • EVGA 1050 TI - Max Power Draw 75 W

 

Akitio Thunder2 and Thunder3 comes with - 72W Power Supply! 

   

 

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March 10, 2017 7:48 am  

Hi Enjoy, 

I just joined this site. Thank you so much for sharing all of this. I contacted Akitio but they only told me that the Thunder3 does not support GPUs.

However, with the information you provided, I got a Thunder3, GTX1060, a Dell DA-2/DA-3 power supply, and the Kareon cable you suggested. The toughest part was getting the aluminum cover past the 6-pin connector feeding the GPU. I had to take the contacts completely out of the housing and connect each wire individually. Once I got the chassis closed I thought I was through the woods but I'm having one more issue.

When the Kareon cable 8-pin connector mates with the Dell 8-pin connector the wires are reversed. In your diagram the black wires are on top-closest to the locking clip. On the Kareon cable the yellow wires are on top-closest to the clip. Should I just invert the Kareon 8-pin connector and use it like it was a 6-pin and let the last 2 sockets extend off of the Dell connector? That's the only way the colors of the wire match your diagram. Would this work or does that mess up the wire alignment? Please let me know. I 'm going to give it a shot, but I'm nervous I'm going to blow something. 

Thanks!


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March 10, 2017 10:38 am  

Just a warning to those buying the Kareon cable, it's good but definitely not plug and play. The GPU connector doesn't fit with the Akitio closed without dismantling it and don't try to line up the 8pin connector to the Dell power supply 8pin connector. You do have to invert the 8-pin connector on the Kareon and let the last two sockets hang off the end and also insert the paperclip as Enjoy diagrammed. (I had hoped that Kareon had added that to his wiring configuration). 

Well, now comes the whole getting around the Code12 issue. I'm trying to get the GTX1060 running on a MacBook Pro 2016 RP460, and so far Bootcamp is having none of it.


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March 10, 2017 11:04 pm  
Posted by: deplomb

 

@enjoy Here are some images of the real enclosure modified according to the drawings.
As you can see in reality it looks less shiny and precise than in the renderings, but works well.

   

Who did the CNCing for your outer cover?  I'd happily pay to have similar work done.


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March 10, 2017 11:57 pm  

@edwardsean I will remove the link to Kareon site! The best way is to follow my setup picture. I posted Kareon cable for users that don't have knowledge about cables i think they are plug & play 🙁 sorry my mistake, the end is happy so welcome to mini-eGPU team 🙂

 

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March 11, 2017 12:03 pm  

Hi, 

I don't know if this is the right thread, but I really need some help. I've been trying to get this working for a couple days now without success. 

I got the dsdt override to work, but I'm still kept getting the code 12 error. So I tried to uninstall the Nvidia driver and reinstall it. However, it wouldn't uninstall, so I manually deleted all the Nvidia files I could find, including in the registry. Unfortunately, now the GPU is stuck on the MS basic display adapter with this error:

 

"This device is not working properly because Windows cannot load the drivers required for this device. (Code 31)

The driver trying to start is not the same as the driver for the POSTed display adapter."

 

I've tried reinstalling the Nvidia driver a dozen times and it fails every time. I've rolled back Windows to old restore points, but I still get this error and the Nvidia install package fails right after the driver is updated.

 

Any suggestions? I'm at my wits end.

 

Thanks everybody!

 

 


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March 11, 2017 1:02 pm  

Download DDU:  http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html and install the latest NVIDIA driver after that!

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March 11, 2017 2:37 pm  
Posted by: enjoy

 

Download DDU:  http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html and install the latest NVIDIA driver after that!

   

Thanks Enjoy. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your help. I'm pretty discouraged right now. I went through several rounds with DDU uninstalling all the display drivers Nvidia, AMD, and Intel. I even tried installing the Nvidia drivers in safe mode, but the installer keeps failing right after the driver install.

The only thing I can think of right now is that I may have deleted a Nvidia file that Windows needed? So, I'm looking into starting all over again and reinstalling Windows. I really don't want to go that route.

So, if anyone knows how to get around the Code31 error on the Microsoft Basic Display Adapter, please let me know. 

Thanks!


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March 11, 2017 4:02 pm  

@edwardsean - I think you must make a clean Install of Windows 10!

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March 11, 2017 4:15 pm  

Sigh. I'm sure you're right. I'm going to take a break and when I get back. I am going to do a clean install on Bootcamp. That should do it for the Nvidia driver. I'm more concerned about the Code12. I don't want to risk bricking my machine with Clover, so I'm going to try the dsdt override again. I'll keep going with the additional methods. 

I never thought it would be this complicated, but I'm committed to getting it work. I'll report back how it all goes. 

If anyone has experience with 2016 MacBook Pro with Radeon 460, please let me know.


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March 13, 2017 9:38 am  

Well, after a long dogged process, I finally got the GTX1060 working on the Akitio Thunder3 in Bootcamp. It's one of those things that you know will eventually work but only after slowly chipping away at it. There is enough information here to troubleshoot the whole array of different issues that may come up.

There is just one thing I'd like to highlight because it's buried under so much information. Once Windows recognizes the unit and you've done the dsdt override if it still doesn't work try plugging it in on boot up and waiting. I thought since it just kept spinning at start up it was stuck. For some reason my configuration takes a good 2-3 minutes before it connects to the Akitio and starts up. If anyone knows how to get past that and speed it up please let me know. 

Also, the GTX1060 is a large improvement over even the Mac's Radeon 460. However, since I've gone through all this bother, I'm thinking of returning it for a 1070. The only problem, of course, is that it doesn't fit in the case. Can someone shed some light on how risky it is to just use it without the case, and have it just standing not the connector base without any protection? 

Thanks, and all the best to all your efforts here!


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March 14, 2017 1:51 am  

Hey Enjoy, I'm going to stick with the 1060 as Afterburner is giving me just enough of a boost to do what I want. 

The only thing now is the fan. I bought a Noctua 60x25mm A-Series Blades with AAO Frame (SSO2 Bearing Premium Fan - Retail Cooling NF-A6x25). I heard it was quieter. However, I'm not sure if it will fit with the EVGA GTX1060. Enjoy, do you know if will fit and if not, can you suggest one that does which is quieter?


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March 15, 2017 2:15 am  

I'm having an issue as well with a 1050ti w/ thunder 3 set up.. ive installed the latest GeForce drivers and rebooted but get (Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)


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March 15, 2017 9:30 pm  

There are two pilot ideas for silencing:

1. Use pwm-fans (4-wires) connected directly to the video card parallel with onboard fans (through some diy-adapter) -> as result fans of the video card and external will work synchronously

2. Turn on PSU in standby mode (when computer is power off): connect PS on (pin 16) from 24-pin connector to ground via some contacts (???) on Akitio PCB, because it receives a control signal from thunderbolt -> as result PSU will power simultaneously with the computer. Proof - the led turns on only when the thunderbolt-cable is connected. A similar circuit is used in magma expressbox3t.

This is just a theory. What do you think - is it possible to implement this?


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March 16, 2017 12:24 am  
Posted by: edwardsean

 

Hey Enjoy, I'm going to stick with the 1060 as Afterburner is giving me just enough of a boost to do what I want. 

The only thing now is the fan. I bought a Noctua 60x25mm A-Series Blades with AAO Frame (SSO2 Bearing Premium Fan - Retail Cooling NF-A6x25). I heard it was quieter. However, I'm not sure if it will fit with the EVGA GTX1060. Enjoy, do you know if will fit and if not, can you suggest one that does which is quieter?

   

Some users fit the Noctua 60x25 with EVGA GTX 1060 SC 6GB  - http://imgur.com/a/z6Ttb  

Others can't - https://egpu.io/forums/builds/late-2016-13-mbp-tb-gtx106032gbps-tb3-akitio-thunder3-win10-noler/#post-3665

....maybe the cards are with different length, for me the noise is not a problem because i use my mini-eGPU only for gaming and i use my headphones for better gaming experience 😉

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March 16, 2017 5:27 pm  

@deplomb

If it is possible, please send the source files of the case mod from this post. I want to try make same case with any cnc-service.


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March 19, 2017 8:47 am  

I've seen my old thunder2 GTX970 implementation in the fist post. I needed to solder pci power to the side to close case, otherwise was impossibile to close Thunder2 without making a hole in the top.

 

BTW which card have PCI-power at the end, on the side, in order to don't cut thunder2/3?

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March 20, 2017 9:28 pm  

@lifecom and Nando

attached is a dxf with the outlines of my ventilation grill.
In the cnc machine I used a 3mm 2 blade drill bit.

One more thing:
depending on the quality of the bits and the alloy of the housing the aluminium may tend to smear when machined.
Cooling helps to keep the edges precise. I recommend using new or sharpened drill bits.
I used spirit. Petroleum would probaply work as well.
When cnc milling yourself with manual cooling keep safety in mind while handling inflammable liquids.


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March 21, 2017 8:19 pm  

@deplomb

Thank you! On this pics can see internal part (chassis) and external aluminium case + variant with round holes.

All dimensions (ratio) in drawing files as in the original? If possible, send them.

I want to dev a higher-height chassis to place a PSU (for example, its width is 81,5 mm) in the bottom of the enclosure. There are also some suitable PSU for LEDs lamps. A similar scheme is used in the sonnet echo express iiid. Also I plan add a height (~20 mm) to the top for the fans, because some GPU have vertical slats.


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March 21, 2017 9:22 pm  

@lifecom
attached you'll find the dxf with the alternative ventilation pattern with the dots. The 2d outline of the outer case is in scale.
The inner part of the case and its backplate was modified to snap in the panel mounted 8pin pcie molex plug to get the Dell DA-2 connected.
This opening was done manually by measuring the plug. See dims in the images.
You will hardly find a cnc machine in the semi prof. environment with enough clearance under the drill to fix the akitio vertically.
And the guys with the big machines will kick you out because they have to finish their cars, planes, submarines whatsoever 🙂

please post some images of your project, there are several other posts with internal psu ideas as well.

!!! The stand offs for the akitio pcb screws in my drawings are not in scale, and only roughly positioned.!!!


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March 21, 2017 9:26 pm  

@lifecom

here is the housing as 3d dxf,
please doublecheck all dimensions with the original case before constructing!


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March 22, 2017 8:38 am  
Currently my project is only on paper...  ))
Due to the desire to place the PSU inside, I'm increasingly thinking about designing another external enclosure.
About internal PSU: Not every compact PSU is suitable, even very powerful. It is important that all (or significant part) power goes to the 12V line. However, most compact units distribute a lot of power on the 3.3V and 5V line.
For "inside PSU" are not many options:
1. LED-PSU - for example: 300W 68mm width for place bottom of Thunder2 or this for place to left side of case
2. PSU from X-box (possible to find used) have a ideal dimensions for just attach via screw to the bottom (same width with thunder2), but only 203w and it may be critical limit for powerfull GPUs...
3. Computer PSU:
    - Enhance ENP-7025 (use in magma expressbox 3t) - almost impossible to find
    - Seasonic SSP-300SUG - 300W, ideal, but little expensive
Computer PSU is prefferable for me, because thay have on-of control (pin 16 on ATX connector) and I want use it for synchronous on-of Thunder2 PSU together with a computer (I think, thunder2 PCB have outputs for power control).

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March 22, 2017 10:25 am  

@lifecom

Is there a special reason or need to get your PSU inside the case?

In the beginning I was thinking about an internal PSU as well.
The main reason was to avoid adapter hassle with the barrel plug, more external power bricks etc.
But I finally abandoned the idea after some research. In terms of being compact and may be mobile I think it was enjoy who wrote about carrying the Akitio thunder work to home back and forth having a Dell DA-2 PSU at both desks, which I find a clever thing to do.
For the clean look I focussed on getting the vents as precise as possible and the 8pin molex in the backplate to get rid of the adapter cables with the barrel plug.

I would not recommend to squash some off the shelf low power PSU inside the Akitio thunder.
It would be a compromise from the very beginning and you don’t want to check power specs first when looking for a new GPU.
As well I assume that at a certain point you might run into cooling trouble with too many heat emitters in such a small space.

Would the Node be an option?


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March 22, 2017 10:52 am  

Hello, I'm new here. So if I just buy the barrel thing you mention, the power splitter, and a dell power 220, i should be able to use a 1070? (with the akitio case open)

If so how do i buy these in the UK, because they are only available in $. Also what are the dimensions of the freesia power brick, is it much smaller than the dell one? Because this is the only one i can find in £ so i may have to go with the 1050ti.

On a different note have anyone tried the new 1080 ti yet?


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March 22, 2017 11:03 am  

Is there a special reason or need to get your PSU inside the case?

Perfectionism ))

As well I assume that at a certain point you might run into cooling trouble with too many heat emitters in such a small space.

Of course, this need to be carefully considered, but there are computers with similar dimensions ... (for example, NUC, nettops etc)


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March 22, 2017 3:13 pm  

 

Posted by: lifecom

 

Is there a special reason or need to get your PSU inside the case?

Perfectionism )) 

Perfectionism is the silent DELL DA-2 hidden under your desk 😉

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March 25, 2017 9:38 pm  

Well, this is typical. I started with the 1060 thinking I want to leave the Akitio case intact. Having used the 1060, I thought yeah I'm going to go up to the 1070. I can live without the case as long as the chassis is intact. Having used the 1070, I'm starting to think about the 1080. Again, typical!

My question is will I need to cut metal or can I remove what the Zotac 1080 needs to fit without cutting?


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March 27, 2017 3:36 am  
Posted by: deplomb

 

@lifecom and Nando

attached is a dxf with the outlines of my ventilation grill.
In the cnc machine I used a 3mm 2 blade drill bit.

One more thing:
depending on the quality of the bits and the alloy of the housing the aluminium may tend to smear when machined.
Cooling helps to keep the edges precise. I recommend using new or sharpened drill bits.
I used spirit. Petroleum would probaply work as well.
When cnc milling yourself with manual cooling keep safety in mind while handling inflammable liquids.

   

Hmm, I wonder, is this a 3D model file? Could it be converted to an STL? Im thinking maybe get the out housing 3D printed because I would LOVE that housing with the holes pattern, but as far as I can see, theres nowhere near me that would do a custom CNC for me :/


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Posted by: deplomb

 

@lifecom and Nando

attached is a dxf with the outlines of my ventilation grill.
In the cnc machine I used a 3mm 2 blade drill bit.

One more thing:
depending on the quality of the bits and the alloy of the housing the aluminium may tend to smear when machined.
Cooling helps to keep the edges precise. I recommend using new or sharpened drill bits.
I used spirit. Petroleum would probaply work as well.
When cnc milling yourself with manual cooling keep safety in mind while handling inflammable liquids.

   

Hmm, I wonder, is this a 3D model file? Could it be converted to an STL? Im thinking maybe get the out housing 3D printed because I would LOVE that housing with the holes pattern, but as far as I can see, theres nowhere near me that would do a custom CNC for me :/

   

I do have an STL, but the filetype seems unsupported for upload even as zip.

@admins: would it be possible to allow stl files?

 


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