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Yukikaze
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enjoy, while your statement is true, it does not explain the underlying cause. I wanted to emphasize why this happens, and to repeat my near-mantra of "select eGPU based on resolution, and aim for a 10-20% over 50/60 FPS", so that people do not buy a GTX1080 to drive a 1080p display on an eGPU. A GTX1080 for a 4K monitor, however, is perfectly fine.

Want to output 4K@60Hz out of an old system on the cheap? Read here.
Give your Node Pro a second Thunderbolt3 controller for reliable peripherals by re-using a TB3 dock (~50$).

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enjoy
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@Yukikaze yes bro, i have a post with 1060 vs 1070 vs 1080, its shows that for:

1080p Gaming - 1060 is great

1440p Gaming - 1070 is great

4k Gaming - 1080 is not great but the best right now!

link to the post:  https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/akitio-thunder2-and-thunder3-gpu-size-to-close-the-akitio/paged/2/#post-3192

 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
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enjoy
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My tests of 20% performance drop PCIe (Desktop PC) vs. Thunderbolt 1 (eGPU)

PCIe Test:

Thunderbolt 1 / External Display:

20% performance drop is confirmed, if other users can test with Thunderbolt2 and Thunderbolt 3 will be great but I'am sure we will have the same Performance drop on External Display!

 

 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
mini eGPUPCI Express vs. ThunderboltMac CAN gameGaming Laptops vs. MacBook Pro with eGPU

 
2012 13" MacBook Air [3rd,2C,U] + GTX 1060 @ 10Gbps-TB1 (AKiTiO Thunder2) + macOS 10.12 // external HDD Windows [build link]  


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Piqudo
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Hello enjoy, thank you very much for your answer.

I see that transforming my PSU is not very hard for using it with the Gigabyte GeForce® GTX 1070 Mini ITX OC 8G, I was just wondering because I read that these cards have peeks of energy consumption that seemed to be too much for the PSU. In fact, when you go to the Gigabyte website for this card, the recommended PSU is 500W! That is why I wonder if my many years old Dell PSU can take this card.

Also, thanks for your recommendation, but if I am to take a 30% improvement in the best case scenario, I think I might just go for the next step to make my purchase worthwhile. I have a monitor of 1440p and I was hoping to get some juice from it Smile and probably GTX 1070 can take this better!

When you mean that the 1070 has a  20-25% performance drop (eGPU vs. Desktop), you mean for the Mac screen? Or for external screen?

Last but not least, there is also the possibility of using the Gigabyte GeForce® GTX 1070 Mini ITX OC 8G but without the Akitio cover, isn't that right? That is how normal my GTX 970 stands, as yet again, I do not know how to cut metal Smile

Thanks for your time!

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@Piqudo, the 500W is recommended for the hole PC, ram, motherboards... etc... 220W will be enough for Gigabyte GeForce® GTX 1070 Mini ITX OC 8G.

Yes you will need to use Akitio Thunder2 open without cover!

20-25% performance drop (eGPU vs. Desktop) will be on your External Display, you will get 40-50% performance drop if you use your Internal Display with Thunderbolt 2 (16Gbps)!

About gaming with 1070 via eGPU:

  • You will have - 40-45FPS for all games 1440p on External Monitor
  • You will have - 60 FPS for all games 1080p on External Monitor
  • You will have - 20-30FPS for all games 1440p on Internal Monitor
  • You will have - 40FPS for all games 1080p on Internal Monitor

 

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mini eGPUPCI Express vs. ThunderboltMac CAN gameGaming Laptops vs. MacBook Pro with eGPU

 
2012 13" MacBook Air [3rd,2C,U] + GTX 1060 @ 10Gbps-TB1 (AKiTiO Thunder2) + macOS 10.12 // external HDD Windows [build link]  


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Natasha
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Posted by: enjoy

 Yes you will need to use Akitio Thunder2 open without cover!

20-25% performance drop (eGPU vs. Desktop) will be on your External Display, you will get 40-50% performance drop if you use your Internal Display with Thunderbolt 2 (16Gbps)!

About gaming with 1070 via eGPU:

  • You will have - 40-45FPS for all games 1440p on External Monitor
  • You will have - 60 FPS for all games 1080p on External Monitor
  • You will have - 20-30FPS for all games 1440p on Internal Monitor
  • You will have - 40FPS for all games 1080p on Internal Monitor

 

   

I understand, that its enough simple and easy to post "how berfomance increase" using AkiTio. Could you just help to set up it ?

My thread  https://egpu.io/forums/mac-setup/doesnt-work-mba-2013gtx1080-akitio-node_win10/#post-3675

Kindly ask you to help me.

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Piqudo
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Thanks Enjoy for your answer!

To be honest, I am not sure what to do. That is a huge performance hit, I did not experience the same with my GTX 970 (compared to a friend on mine who has it on Desktop PC), and while mine being a bit underperformed, there was not 20% off cut, by far.

This makes me wonder if I better sell my setup to someone interested and go for a desktop PC!

Another possibility is to try with the GTX 1070 and see if it is worth it. 

Also, thanks for commenting on the PSU. It is somehow strange that they do not specify that and just give that number for the GPU.

 

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enjoy
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@Piqudo Yes with your 970 you will have 10-15% performance drop not 20-25 like with 1070, its because the more FPS you get the more Bandwidth you will have and the limit of Thunderbolt2 (16Gbps) will told its word!

You must try it with 1070 before you go to desktop pc IMO Smile I think you will be happy because all we want laptop + MINI eGPU Smile

 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
mini eGPUPCI Express vs. ThunderboltMac CAN gameGaming Laptops vs. MacBook Pro with eGPU

 
2012 13" MacBook Air [3rd,2C,U] + GTX 1060 @ 10Gbps-TB1 (AKiTiO Thunder2) + macOS 10.12 // external HDD Windows [build link]  


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Piqudo
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Okay! Thanks for your assistance.

I will check in detail if I go for the ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1070 Mini 8GB or the Gigabyte GeForce® GTX 1070 Mini ITX OC 8G, as in the short term I will not be able to cut the Akitio cover, so any of both I use will be standing just on the base. May I ask who made the build with the ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1070 Mini 8GB that you shown on this topic's first post? 

I will also see how I can transform my PSU from 6 to 8 pins, given I already have everything set up to power up de Akitio as well.

And you are right, laptop + eGPU rocks! 😀

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enjoy
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The thread is here:  https://egpu.io/forums/builds/macbook-pro-2016-tb3-akitio-thunder-3-case-mod-zotac-1080/

You must get Gigabyte GeForce® GTX 1070 Mini ITX OC 8G because with ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1070 Mini 8GB you will need to remove the fan and remove the metal part where the fan is!

 MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Later 2013) 3.2GHz Quad Core Intel i7-4750HQ / 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 / 256GB SSD + 1TB
mini eGPUPCI Express vs. ThunderboltMac CAN gameGaming Laptops vs. MacBook Pro with eGPU

 
2012 13" MacBook Air [3rd,2C,U] + GTX 1060 @ 10Gbps-TB1 (AKiTiO Thunder2) + macOS 10.12 // external HDD Windows [build link]  


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