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Poblopuablo
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Are there laptops that can:

(1)switch CPUs?

(2)Be the same generation cpu?

(3)will they have the same bios/Mobo?

 And if so does one have a TB2 and the other TB3? 

 

I thought the TB2 and TB3 were far enough apart that the Cpu generation (such as 4700hq vs 6700hq) would be different and thuse causing incompatible cpu swaps, and Mobo(different chipset) and ram(ddr3 vs ddr4).

 

I might be wrong tho, but the chances seem slim. 

 

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wimpzilla
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I'm really not into the TBE stuff, i do not know nothing about and don't want to know for now. I will never choose first a TBE for an eGPU, for me only real pci-e lanes matters. I just try to help you guys that deal with it each day to build a decent ingame protocol.

Test, show graphs, give a feeling about the graphs, like i have 150fps but it is unplayable due to constant stutter, give a conclusion, like yes under METRO i loose 2 fps on 1080p, 5 fps on 1440p etc, so there is or not difference ingame.

If problem, move on for a solution, if not move on for the next show!

If you can't change cpu, just put them on the same performance, clocking them to the same IPC, so the 4700HQ to 4ghz and the 6700HQ to 3.7Ghz, you can use cinebench r15 or cpu-z to evaluate the IPC performances.

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Poblopuablo
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Posted by: wimpzilla

If you can't change cpu, just put them on the same perfomance clocking them to the same IPC, so the 4700HQ to 4ghz and the 6700HQ to 3.7Ghz, you can use cinebench or cpu-z to evaluate the IPC performances.

   

Great suggestion! That would make things accurate. Smile

 

Also, I hope my comments didn't come off strong, I wasn't trying to attack/argue or anything, but rather just clarify. Smile Thanks for help and input. Smile

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goalque
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@wimpzilla: Yep. I got your point, thanks Smile Ingame results are very important. Frame drops occur often in multiplayer fights. I am not a gamer unfortunately. Someone who has a bunch of games and TI82/TI83 boxes with ~500MiB/s-1000MiB/s H2D difference, please post gaming results! If there is still no difference, this is clearly something CPU-PCH-TB3 controller related…

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Poblopuablo
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I believe @Mymantiz_John has multiple hosts/cards/and I think he has TI82 &83. If he(John 😉 you can do it I believe in you) had the time for such an extensive review.Or if anybody else has these things feel free. Smile It would be a comprehensive assessment for the betterment of the community. Smile

 

Granted you have everything:

2-3 different gpus

1 TI82 GPU egpu(core or devil box)

1 TI83 GPU(venus or node) egpu dock

1 TB2 egpu dock(thunder 2 + psu)

1 TB3 -> TB2 adapter

1 TB2 -> TB3 adapter

1 laptop with TB2

1 laptop with TB3

Multiple games to bench mark with.

A ton of time. Smile

 

 

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XCVG
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It occurred to me earlier that looking at minimum FPS might be more useful than looking at average FPS. I've heard sporadic complaints of stuttering and framerate dips, rather than overall reduced performance.

2015 15" Dell XPS 15 9550 (GTX960M) [6th,4C,H] + GTX 1080 @ 16Gbps-TB3 (Mantiz Venus) + Win10 [build link]  

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Mymantiz_John
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Posted by: Poblopuablo

 

I believe @Mymantiz_John has multiple hosts/cards/and I think he has TI82 &83. If he(John 😉 you can do it I believe in you) had the time for such an extensive review.Or if anybody else has these things feel free. Smile It would be a comprehensive assessment for the betterment of the community. Smile

 

Granted you have everything:

2-3 different gpus

1 TI82 GPU egpu(core or devil box)

1 TI83 GPU(venus or node) egpu dock

1 TB2 egpu dock(thunder 2 + psu)

1 TB3 -> TB2 adapter

1 TB2 -> TB3 adapter

1 laptop with TB2

1 laptop with TB3

Multiple games to bench mark with.

A ton of time. Smile

 

 

   

HI:

I would like to do the test ( after my national holiday from now till next Wed ) but unfortunately, I don't have TB2 Box. and I see no reason why I need to test the TB2 Box in TB2 Laptop. All TB2 laptop MBP 2015 CPU performance is better than the MBP 2016 even Quadcore too. it will only address the unreasonable result. 

and ingame performance wise, I had tested Far Cry Primal for many times, tested with different resolution and  video quality. the result shows the core (2200mb ) is same and  even a bit lose to Mantiz Venus ( 1100mb ). but the lose few FPS is in the allowance. 

PPL always like to see what they want to see, to believe what they want to believe ,  but my comparison is just the comparison. not intend to drive PPL where I want to be. if someone is really that believe in TB2, just go ahead.

to imagine if someday, I got a new FW, make every device to be 2200mb ( Actually I had that FW already ) but still got the 3Dmark, Valley, Heaven  benchmark the same, ingame benchmark the same, is it a real happy ending? I doubt, then another topic will be posted for example " why 1100mb can run to xxx benchmark then turn it to 2200mb how comes the score is the same??  it is really a waste of time.

 

 

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Jetcopter
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So I decided to go out and buy a Razer Core off Craigslist and ran some benchmarks.  I don't really know what to make of this...

Same card in both: Asus Nvidia GTX 1080

AkiTiO Node TI83

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12177273

Razer Core TI82

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12179972

They are almost exactly the same.  I'm starting to think I wasted a GTX 1080 putting it in a Thunderbolt enclosure. 

 

 

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wimpzilla
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Posted by: Mymantiz_John

HI:

I would like to do the test ( after my national holiday from now till next Wed ) but unfortunately, I don't have TB2 Box. and I see no reason why I need to test the TB2 Box in TB2 Laptop. All TB2 laptop MBP 2015 CPU performance is better than the MBP 2016 even Quadcore too. it will only address the unreasonable result. 

and ingame performance wise, I had tested Far Cry Primal for many times, tested with different resolution and  video quality. the result shows the core (2200mb ) is same and  even a bit lose to Mantiz Venus ( 1100mb ). but the lose few FPS is in the allowance. 

PPL always like to see what they want to see, to believe what they want to believe ,  but my comparison is just the comparison. not intend to drive PPL where I want to be. if someone is really that believe in TB2, just go ahead.

to imagine if someday, I got a new FW, make every device to be 2200mb ( Actually I had that FW already ) but still got the 3Dmark, Valley, Heaven  benchmark the same, ingame benchmark the same, is it a real happy ending? I doubt, then another topic will be posted for example " why 1100mb can run to xxx benchmark then turn it to 2200mb how comes the score is the same??  it is really a waste of time.

My last post in this thread because i feel loosing my time.

Sir you are wrong, your test are wrong and badly done, pls refrain to continue to insist, again plz. You begin to be boring and begin to appear like a sand seller!

If you want continue on this way, not including real game benchmark before giving an opinion, i suggest you to change job.

IMO, atm i wouldn't buy your box, for 2 reasons, 1st you are not professional, 2nd you are not showing decent review of your own hardware.

It is really sad that manufacturers can't bench decently their own hardware and came here to find support thinking it would be easy, it is the opposite.

Good luck for the future, for sure i would not recommend your box until you performed decent bench.

See you! Smile

Edit: @XCVG: It is what i pointed, lower fps and frametime! I would give some explanation why, being a power gamer (online BF1 mainly), you should care about games. I'm actually benching my eGPU setup with mafiaIII, why? Because it is an open world game, like GTA, it required resources from both cpu computing the word dynamics and gpu computing the graphics. Like GTA you can fully say theoretically your machine is used almost at 100% on overall. And the main reason it is optimized like s**t, so if i got decent perfs here i know every other game will run +40fps low easly.

Well if i only look on valley my setup give without AA 40fps average, nice was really happy to get 1750pts on valley with my R9 270. Lunched mafiaIII 1080p everything low, begin to shoot randomly 40fps, get a car, get in a crowded heavy game scene, fps drop to 22fps, unplayable.

Steep down resolution to 1680*X instead 1920*X, lower fps driving in heavy crowded scene 28fps, decently playable, on foot and shooting 30/40fps. Better than a console, with better graphics, infinite games etc etc et... .. .

 

 

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Mymantiz_John
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Posted by: wimpzilla

My last post in this thread because i feel loosing my time.

Sir you are wrong, your test are wrong and badly done, pls refrain to continue to insist, again plz. You begin to be boring and begin to appear like a sand seller!

If you want continue on this way, not including real game benchmark before giving an opinion, i suggest you to change job.

IMO, atm i wouldn't buy your box, for 2 reasons, 1st you are not professional, 2nd you are not showing decent review of your own hardware.

It is really sad that manufacturers can't bench decently their own hardware and came here to find support thinking it would be easy, it is the opposite.

Good luck for the future, for sure i would not recommend your box until you performed decent bench.

See you! Smile

   

thanks for your advices and see you.

Mantiz: ● ●


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